Lies we tell ourselves

skyraider

Veteran Expediter
US Navy
Lies We Tell Ourselves

by Rhoda, at Relationship Realities

Moments of despair bring us closer to hard truths. We all pretend. We pretend someone we love isn’t crazy, an alcoholic, or hasn’t betrayed our friendship. We pretend we aren’t crazy, or alcoholic or haven’t betrayed a friend. In 2008 everyone pretended a whole heck of a lot about what they could afford or that they weren’t greedy.We get married and don’t tell our husband we bring along $50,000 in debt or we have herpes. We divorce and say ugly things about the kids’ father to the kids and decide that’s o.k. because they should be loyal to us.

In over 30 years of working with people I am still astonished at how people forget in their own hatred that it’s best for kids long term to respect both parents. It doesn’t matter what betrayals were done to you. Kids need both parents, it’s that simple! We pretend we’re not angry or depressed. We pretend we’re not selfish, or boring or lonely. We pretend it’s o.k. not to talk about hard things because we don’t want to hurt the other person,when it’s really ourselves we’re protecting. We pretend OUR disappointment is the guiding light in relationships. We pretend if you love me you’d be more like me and you should know what I want without asking. We pretend we are better people if we wear certain clothes & have big soulless houses. 2009 is about some of the pretending falling apart. It’s painful & a lot of truth will emerge if we allow it.

Iris Murdoch is my literary “mother” as Robertson Davies is my literary “father”. In her book The Good Apprentice she says the following through her character Thomas a psychiatrist: “We are all wrapped in silky layers of illusion which we instinctively feel to be necessary to our existence. Often these illusions are harmless, in the sense we can be reasonably good and reasonably happy. Sometimes because of a catastrophe, a bereavement or some total loss of self-esteem, our falsehoods become pernicious, and we are forced to chose between some painful recognition of truth and an ever more frenzied and aggressive manufacturing of lies.” There will always be the hard choice to stop pretending and change, it almost makes up for having to struggle with our humanity.


source: Relationship Realities – rediscovering what is authentic
 

EnglishLady

Veteran Expediter
Lies We Tell Ourselves

by Rhoda, at Relationship Realities

Moments of despair bring us closer to hard truths. We all pretend. We pretend someone we love isn’t crazy, an alcoholic, or hasn’t betrayed our friendship. We pretend we aren’t crazy, or alcoholic or haven’t betrayed a friend. In 2008 everyone pretended a whole heck of a lot about what they could afford or that they weren’t greedy.We get married and don’t tell our husband we bring along $50,000 in debt or we have herpes. We divorce and say ugly things about the kids’ father to the kids and decide that’s o.k. because they should be loyal to us.

In over 30 years of working with people I am still astonished at how people forget in their own hatred that it’s best for kids long term to respect both parents. It doesn’t matter what betrayals were done to you. Kids need both parents, it’s that simple! We pretend we’re not angry or depressed. We pretend we’re not selfish, or boring or lonely. We pretend it’s o.k. not to talk about hard things because we don’t want to hurt the other person,when it’s really ourselves we’re protecting. We pretend OUR disappointment is the guiding light in relationships. We pretend if you love me you’d be more like me and you should know what I want without asking. We pretend we are better people if we wear certain clothes & have big soulless houses. 2009 is about some of the pretending falling apart. It’s painful & a lot of truth will emerge if we allow it.

Iris Murdoch is my literary “mother” as Robertson Davies is my literary “father”. In her book The Good Apprentice she says the following through her character Thomas a psychiatrist: “We are all wrapped in silky layers of illusion which we instinctively feel to be necessary to our existence. Often these illusions are harmless, in the sense we can be reasonably good and reasonably happy. Sometimes because of a catastrophe, a bereavement or some total loss of self-esteem, our falsehoods become pernicious, and we are forced to chose between some painful recognition of truth and an ever more frenzied and aggressive manufacturing of lies.” There will always be the hard choice to stop pretending and change, it almost makes up for having to struggle with our humanity.


source: Relationship Realities – rediscovering what is authentic



Is this the therapy thread ;)

Not sure I agree with everything said above - but if Rhoda is a therapist then of course these are the only ppl that she would see & listen to, and thereby draw these conclusions.

Next please :)
 

skyraider

Veteran Expediter
US Navy
Yes it must be the therapy thread. I'm in a mood, and I'm getting older. I'm a 1946 kid. I drank the coolade, and ate the lead paint and breathed the smoke of foundries . Went sailing with the Navy for 4 years, it was a big boat with planes, very windy.

Long neck buds, country music, 2 bird dogs, one cat and a border collie of sorts , 6 grandkids, 2 Xes that don't live in Texas,and a old one ton Dodge cv that died of a broken computer thats in intensive care,lol, and a college degree that hangs in the bathroom.............nope I'm OK, just as normal as can be, ain't got it so bad, food ,clothing and shelter, 3 meals a day including dessert. Hey,,I even got my teeth and some hair, nope I'm OK, its just one of those daysssssssssssssssssssss:D
 

EnglishLady

Veteran Expediter
Yes it must be the therapy thread. I'm in a mood, and I'm getting older. I'm a 1946 kid. I drank the coolade, and ate the lead paint and breathed the smoke of foundries . Went sailing with the Navy for 4 years, it was a big boat with planes, very windy.

Long neck buds, country music, 2 bird dogs, one cat and a border collie of sorts , 6 grandkids, 2 Xes that don't live in Texas,and a old one ton Dodge cv that died of a broken computer thats in intensive care,lol, and a college degree that hangs in the bathroom.............nope I'm OK, just as normal as can be, ain't got it so bad, food ,clothing and shelter, 3 meals a day including dessert. Hey,,I even got my teeth and some hair, nope I'm OK, its just one of those daysssssssssssssssssssss:D



and we ALL get those days ;)

I will mail the bill :p
 

Ragman

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
..........nope I'm OK, just as normal as can be, ain't got it so bad, food ,clothing and shelter, 3 meals a day including dessert. Hey,,I even got my teeth and some hair, nope I'm OK, its just one of those daysssssssssssssssssssss:D

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BillChaffey

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
US Navy
Skyraider,
If you were born in 1946 the earliest you could have gotten into the Navy (legally) would be 1963. As a Minority Cruise. My question is the name of the "Sailing" ship you were on. :p I served from 1958 -1961 and didn't know of any "sailing" ships. Plenty of Steam powered ships some diesel sea going Tugs & Harbor Tugs.
Is this a Academy ship?.
The Nautilus a Nuclear powered Submarine was I think mid 1950's. USS Enterprise Nuclear powered Carrier was commissioned I believe in 1961.
As far as Rhonda is concerned. My motto is "Support Mental Health or I'll kill you"
 

skyraider

Veteran Expediter
US Navy
Skyraider,
If you were born in 1946 the earliest you could have gotten into the Navy (legally) would be 1963. As a Minority Cruise. My question is the name of the "Sailing" ship you were on. :p I served from 1958 -1961 and didn't know of any "sailing" ships. Plenty of Steam powered ships some diesel sea going Tugs & Harbor Tugs.
Is this a Academy ship?.
The Nautilus a Nuclear powered Submarine was I think mid 1950's. USS Enterprise Nuclear powered Carrier was commissioned I believe in 1961.
As far as Rhonda is concerned. My motto is "Support Mental Health or I'll kill you"

Joined up in 1966. Sailing is just a play on words, was on the USS Constellation cva64, vf142. She is all diesel, now in mothballs like me..........lol
 

BillChaffey

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
US Navy
Spending three plus years in the engine room of a Essex class carrier I would beg to differ with you. The Constellation was\is I think Forestall class carrier, or maybe the next class up. Kitty Hawk? I believe she and a sister ship were built in the Brooklyn Navy yard. I'm also fairly sure she suffered a fire either in the yard or in sea trials. It had four screws and I'll bet anything you like it was Steamed powered.:p
 
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skyraider

Veteran Expediter
US Navy
Spending three plus years in the engine room of a Essex class carrier I would beg to differ with you. The Constellation was\is I think Forestall class carrier, or maybe the next class up. Kitty Hawk? I believe she and a sister ship were built in the Brooklyn Navy yard. I'm also fairly sure she suffered a fire either in the yard or in sea trials. It had four screws and I'll bet anything you like it was Steamed powered.:p

USS Constellation (CV 64)
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USS CONSTELLATION was the second ship in the KITTY HAWK - class and the third ship in the Navy to bear the name. Nicknamed 'America’s Flagship', USS CONSTELLATION was decommissioned on August 7, 2003, after 41 years, nine months and 11 days of naval service. Since its commissioning, nearly 120,000 Sailors and Marines have served aboard the ship. The arresting gear aboard has amassed an impressive 436,000 'traps', or landings.

General Characteristics: Keel Laid: September 14, 1957
Launched: October 8, 1960
Commissioned: October 27, 1961
Decommissioned: August 7, 2003
Builder: New York Naval Shipyard , Brooklyn, N.Y.
Propulsion system: eight Steam Boilers
Main Engines: four Steam Turbine Engines
Propellers: four
Blades on each Propeller: five
Aircraft elevators: four
Catapults: four
Arresting gear cables: four
Length, overall: 1062,5 feet (323.8 meters)
Flight Deck Width: 252 feet (76.8 meters)
Area of flight deck: about 4,5 acres
Beam: 129,6 feet (39.5 meters)
Draft: 35,8 feet (10.9 meters)
Displacement: approx. 82,200 tons full load
Speed: 30+ knots
Cost: about $400 million (1961)
Planes: approx. 85
Crew: Ship: 2,900 Air Wing: 2,480
Armament: three Mk 29 NATO Sea Sparrow launchers, three 20mm Phalanx CIWS Mk 15


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Crew List:

This section contains the names of sailors who served aboard USS CONSTELLATION. It is no official listing but contains the names of sailors who submitted their information.

Yes she was powered by steam, guess the oil fired the boilers, sorry,,,I was a airdale, played on the flightdeck some,lol.
 
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