Lane Closed Ahead

How do you handle Lane Closures?

  • Early Merge

    Votes: 22 57.9%
  • Late Merge

    Votes: 4 10.5%
  • Rolling Roadblock

    Votes: 12 31.6%

  • Total voters
    38

MCBuggyCo

Seasoned Expediter
This time of year there is no escaping the construction zones. A popular traffic control measure is to merge two lanes into one. When you see a merge coming up there are basically three options to take. 1. You can position yourself in the lane to remain open as soon as safely possible. 2. Take the "closing" lane til just before the barricade. 3. Take the "closing" lane but travel at the speed of the other lane thus setting up a rolling roadblock to prevent others from taking option 2.
In most states it seems the choice is yours. In Louisiana I have seen signs forcing an early merge (option 1) and in Minnesota the signs say use both lanes as long as possible (a "zipper" merge) (option 2). I would like to get feedback from professional drivers. The rest of you can answer too!!

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Dakota

Veteran Expediter
Personally, I do an early merge, less hassle/confrontation
but I don't mind the people who do the rolling roadblocks, because it ****es off the late mergers:D
Hey, if I had to wait in line they should too!!!
 

skyraider

Veteran Expediter
US Navy
when possible, i push that calulate button on my gps that says avoid interstates and it takes me off early and goes around the construction, works most of the time and u get to see new territory.:) think outside the box.
 

xiggi

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
I think the self proclaimed traffic cops who do rolling roadblocks should be ticketed by a very slow cop who takes two hours to write them up. Probably the same people who were hall monitors in school.
 

AMonger

Veteran Expediter
I think the self proclaimed traffic cops who do rolling roadblocks should be ticketed by a very slow cop who takes two hours to write them up. Probably the same people who were hall monitors in school.

Nope. They're people who wish the selfish people would realize that the sooner everybody is in one line, the faster we'll ALL get through the constriction. It seems counter-intuitive to some, but it just takes an understanding of human nature; no, we're not all going to merge orderly and without delay at the last moment, so it's fastest if we get the merging misunderstandings out of the way a mile back.

It's like those two chipmunks who argue over who jumps down the hole first: "After you."

"Oh, no, after you."

"Oh, no, I insist..."

Only with people at a construction zone (or getting on I-90 in Chicago), it's ME FIRST!

I appreciate the states that post "MERGE NOW" well before the barricades. Should be placed about 2 miles back in some places, and a state trooper should be on hand to write a $500 citation to anyone in the closed lane after the MERGE NOW sign.

Then big trucks wouldn't have to play traffic cop.
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
There is a simple way to do it that eliminates the chaos and the satisfaction of the selfish jerks who cruise to the front of the line [ seriously: would they have the guts to do it on foot, like in the grocery store?:mad:]
"Use both lanes to merge point, then take your turn."
I've only seen it done once - I wonder why?
PS I merge pretty early, but might do the rolling roadblock when close to the merge, because I detest selfish jerks. :p
 

geo

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Retired Expediter
US Navy
in va if they can prove you were blocking the lane you can get a ticket
everybody should learn to share the road, if you let one person ahead of you , you can keep traffic moving
 

cranis

Expert Expediter
Driver
Late mergers are usually people who travel the road everyday.
I've seen 1 time a tractor trailer used the "rolling roadblock" and forced a car in to the median.
I say rolling road block would work if you could get say 2 trucks and at the same time roll together and the one in the moving lane let the other 1 get into front of him.
 

AMonger

Veteran Expediter

"Use both lanes to merge point, then take your turn."
I've only seen it done once - I wonder why?
You would think that would work, and if we were machines, it would-- and better, too. But that doesn't take into account that people have widely disparate levels of driving skill, different motives and motivations, and that whole human nature thing. And all it will take is one or two grannies with poor eyesight, or someone who's timid and won't merge when he's supposed to, or someone who's selfish, aggressive, and in a hurry and wants to get ahead of a couple more cars, and then you have the traffic jam again. If you could somehow get everybody to cooperate and alternately merge at first, it probably wouldn't last 5 minutes before it got fouled up and there was another traffic jam.

Because of all that, the only way to smoothly shut down a lane is to force everybody to merge into one lane well before the slowdown, where everybody can still travel at highway speed. If people can get used to that, traffic could pass through a lane restriction the full, legal maximum.

Or...they could, until someone sees a worker and thinks that means to slow down even MORE. Man, I hate those jacktards.
 
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cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
It worked very well - no one could get ahead of more than one vehicle, trucks had the same turn as 4 wheelers, and it was pretty smooth. It's a lot harder to 'cheat' than the usual 'honor' system....Like a 4 way stop - they go pretty well, in spite of the odd moron who can't wait his turn.
 

Dakota

Veteran Expediter
If everyone takes their turn like a zipper it works great, problem is you have the people that won't let someone in or the person who wants to cut to the front of the line because they don't want to wait.
Here in Fort Wayne we have the I69 then a right line to get onto I469. On a daily basis instead of getting over you have the idiots who wait till the last possible second and nearly cut you off to get over, gaining a few seconds...not like traffic here comes to a standstill:rolleyes:
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Hi, my name is Moot and I'm an early merger. It's usually fairly obvious which lane is closed, it's the lane where traffic is still moving.

The rolling road block is only beneficial to the vehicles ahead of the road blocking trucks. It creates a greater delay and mess for everyone caught behind the rolling roadblock. And as Geo mentioned, it is illegal in some states. I've seen troopers in Wisconsin bust truckers blocking a lane.

McBuggy mentioned the Minnesota zipper thing. Here's a link with more info: Minnesota Department of Transportation Zipper Merge I'm not convinced the purported benefits are as great as claimed but at least nobody can ***** about someone cutting in.
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Hey Moot - glad to see you survived the Boundary Waters [and the bonding with the guys, lol].
What Mn calls 'the zipper merge' is exactly what I described: use both lanes to merge point, then take your turn. It works!
I just didn't know there's a technical name for it. :rolleyes:
 

mcavoy33

Seasoned Expediter
Nope. They're people who wish the selfish people would realize that the sooner everybody is in one line, the faster we'll ALL get through the constriction. It seems counter-intuitive to some, but it just takes an understanding of human nature; no, we're not all going to merge orderly and without delay at the last moment, so it's fastest if we get the merging misunderstandings out of the way a mile back.

Then big trucks wouldn't have to play traffic cop.

This is incorrect because your creating an extra long line that isn't needed and not utilzing that 2nd lane.

Then if you happen to be in a city and there is a stop light, your having half the people not be able to get ahead of the light and that causes even more traffic problems because your not using the space that is there and your creating even more problems.

The most efficient way is to utilize the two lanes to the max and have cars alternate. Being safe and merging early is a sacrifice that big truck drivers choose to make. That doesn't mean they should screw everything up for everyone else because they don't have the mobility that small cars do.
 

AMonger

Veteran Expediter
This is incorrect because your creating an extra long line that isn't needed and not utilzing that 2nd lane.

That's not relevant. The problem is more an issue of merge conflicts than traffic volume per lane. So the remedy is to eliminate the merge conflicts by having the merges take place where traffic is flowing freely and everybody is traveling at highway speed. If everybody traveled at the posted limit for the construction zone, it wouldn't matter if there was only one line.


Then if you happen to be in a city and there is a stop light,
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Nobody's talking about local roads here.

The most efficient way is to utilize the two lanes to the max and have cars alternate.

You would think so, wouldn't you? HOWEVER, that's only if machines are driving the cars. If you were running a simulation with a computer controlling the blips that represent vehicles, it would definitely work that way. But that's not taking human nature and human fallibility into consideration.

You have to consider Widow Blinkenheimer, whose husband used to drive her wherever she needed to go. Well, he passed on, and Widow Blinkenheimer, she doesn't see too good, and her reflexes and judgment, well...

You have to consider Tiffany, who doesn't have a lot of driving experience to begin with, and she just broke up with her boyfriend because he's a cheating louse and asked that :censoredsign: Michaela to the prom, so she's angry and upset and trying to text all her friends about it, and she's also thinking about her biology test tomorrow, and what's this zipper thing up here? What did that sign say?

You have to consider that some percentage of jacktards are always going to feel the need and the right to get ahead of just a couple more cars...

And you have to remember that zipping like you're suggesting will naturally create congestion. People will do it slow. Not construction zone slow, but slower, and that's when you see backups for miles. Throw an accident into the mix in the zipper zone because everybody's merging at once, and now the real fun begins!

I'm sure your idea works fine in simulations, but once you factor in the human element, it doesn't work I'm practice for more than a few minutes before it gets FUBAR.

I was in the men's room at a Pilot one day, and one driver was wiping down the counter. I commented on the futility of his endeavor. "It's just going to be all wet again in 5 minutes," I told him.

"Oh, I dunno...if we all just take an extra minute to be careful to not splash water around and clean up after ourselves..."

Call him an optimist, I guess. Again, if we were machines, that would work, but factor in the human element, and it goes out the window. He saw things how they COULD be under ideal circumstances, and I viewed things how they ARE. Same thing here.

Being safe and merging early is a sacrifice that big truck drivers choose to make. That doesn't mean they should screw everything up for everyone else because they don't have the mobility that small cars do.

No, merging early is something professional drivers do because they see human nature in action behind the wheel all day, and most are more realistic than to expect the zipper plan to work, and realize that a better plan is to get everybody in one line while at highway speed while there's plenty of room on the highway, then go through the construction zone at the posted speed. As long as the merges happen before the slowdown, there would be NO BACKUPS.
 
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Brisco

Expert Expediter

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
AMonger: there will always be a few who throw everything out of whack by going faster, slower, or when & where they aren't expected - BUT as 4 way stop signs and roundabouts prove, most drivers will take their proper turn. Even more when it's clearly fair to everyone.
PS Local roads included, as they're a big part of construction today. And as Dakota mentioned, it's the locals who mostly zoom to the front of empty lanes, because they deal with the same delay every day.
Anything is better than the chaos of allowing vehicles 2 or 3 miles of chances to move over whenever they want - too much potential for collisions, and too much reinforcement for the selfish jerks who pass them all and cut in at the head of the line. And they ALWAYS get in....:mad:
 

beachbum

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
I'm trying to figure out why a truck driver thinks its his right to block a travel lane just because the other lane is shut down. It is illegal to block a lane in all states. The law in most if not all states say merge at gore point. That means where the barrels are, unless there is a sign that says merge now.

Most of the posters here don't understand this because they don't seem to believe they have to follow any traffic laws they don't agree with.

BTW I was in a rolling road block by a couple of trucks that was 3 miles before the gore point..the truck drivers wanted traffic to be single file for 3 miles.

If people trucks and cars would leave a gap like your supposed to their would be the back ups we have.

I also went thru one construction site at speed the 5 miles down the road at the next one trucks started blocking the left lane and caused a back up.

I have also seen trucks blocking lanes and the barrels were already picked up but the lane closed sign wasn't taken down, we had a 2 mile back up for no reason.

I like others wished the police would pull over the drivers doing the blocking and hold them a while and do two things give them a ticket and do a level one inspection. That would make my day.
 
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