Lakota group secedes from U.S.

OntarioVanMan

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By Bill Harlan, Journal staff Thursday, December 20, 2007

Political activist Russell Means, a founder of the American Indian Movement, says he and other members of Lakota tribes have renounced treaties and are withdrawing from the United States.

"We are now a free country and independent of the United States of America," Means said in a telephone interview. "This is all completely legal."

Means said a Lakota delegation on Monday delivered a statement of "unilateral withdrawal" from the United States to the U.S. State Department in Washington.

The State Department did not respond. "That'll take some time," Means said.

Meanwhile, the delegation has delivered copies of the letter to the embassies of Bolivia, Venezuela, Chile and South Africa. "We're asking for recognition," Means said, adding that Ireland and East Timor are "very interested" in the declaration.

Other countries will get copies of the same declaration, which Means said also would be delivered to the United Nations and to state and county governments covered by treaties, including treaties signed in 1851 and 1868. "We're willing to negotiate with any American political entity," Means said.

The United States could face international pressure if it doesn't agree to negotiate, Means said. "The United State of America is an outlaw nation, we now know. We've understood that as a people for 155 years."

Means also said his group would file liens on property in parts of South Dakota, Nebraska, North Dakota, Montana and Wyoming that were illegally homesteaded.

The Web site for the declaration, "Lakota Freedom," briefly crashed Thursday as wire services picked up the story and the server was overwhelmed, Means said.

Delegation member Phyllis Young said in an online statement: "We are not trying to embarrass the United States. We are here to continue the struggle for our children and grandchildren." Young was an organizer of Women of All Red Nations.

Other members of the delegation include Rapid City-area activist Duane Martin Sr. and Gary Rowland, a leader of the Chief Big Foot Riders.

Means said anyone could live in the Lakota Nation, tax free, as long as they renounced their U.S. citizenship. The nation would issue drivers licenses and passports, but each community would be independent. "It will be the epitome of individual liberty, with community control," Means said.

To make his case, Means cited several articles of the U.S. Constitution, the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties and a recent nonbinding U.N. resolution on the rights of indigenous people.

He thinks there will be international pressure. "If the U.S. violates the law, the whole world will know it," Means said.

Means' group is based in Porcupine on Pine Ridge Indian Reservation.

It is not an agency or branch of the Oglala Sioux Tribe. Means ran unsuccessfully for president of the tribe in 2006.

Lakota tribes have long claimed that the U.S. government stole land guaranteed by treaties -- especially in western South Dakota. "The Missouri River is ours, and so are the Black Hills," Means said.

A U.S. Supreme Court decision in 1980 awarded the tribes $122 million as compensation, but the court did not award land. The Lakota have refused the settlement. (As interest accrues, the unclaimed award is approaching $1 billion.)

In the late 1980s, then-Sen. Bill Bradley of New Jersey introduced legislation to return federal land to the tribes, and California millionaire Phil Stevens also tried to win support for a proposal to return the Black Hills to the Lakota.
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
Sure... they can say this while the power they're running their fax machines with comes from US generators. Let's turn the power off to their "nation" and see how long it takes...

-A bore is a person who opens his mouth and puts his feats in it. - Henry Ford
 

RichM

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Better yet turn the power off to their casinos. This Means guy has always been an activist and only wants publicity like the Reverends Al and Jessie. When the Bureau of Indian Affairs doesn't answer their phone,watch this seccession go away real fast.
 

arrbsthw

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I was wondering myself if they don't receive electricity and gas
from the USA. Maybe they can build their own electrical plants.. :D
 

Tennesseahawk

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Yep... they can run em on prarie grass and buffalo fat. :7

-A bore is a person who opens his mouth and puts his feats in it. - Henry Ford
 

greg334

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Wasn't this talked about in the 60's and some attempt was made to break several treaties?

If I remember right the US government's position was more then hostile to the idea and I think that even with today's politically correct society, we may see some sort of action like cutting off funding to them, closing off the their land and setting up borders as they were bonafied foreign entity. It would stop them in their tracks if they had to be treated as a foreign country just trying to setup a treaty to export good and import raw material. Even making the US citizen present a passport to get to the casino or to their tribe owned tobacco shop will have a very pronounced effect on their ability to make money.

As much as I sympathize with most of the Indian issues and think that in a few cases they are still under represented in our society, I feel that the ploy to complain about things like mascots and team names only cheapen their issues to the point that they don't want us to take them seriously and they don't want to be exposed to our society.
 

OntarioVanMan

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ummm...On the Cheyenne reserve out here there is more oil and windmill power then the whole state of South Dakota would use...so cutting them off that would serve no good. This Means guy IS a wild card and media hound as Rich said like Jesse and Al. But he does have the general support of the different tribes. They feel he's not the one to lead them into the next stage.

Greg on the flip side of this ..can you image every U.S citizen crossing Indian land having to have a passport or commerce with trucks having to pass thru Indian land?
 

greg334

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"Greg on the flip side of this ..can you image every U.S citizen crossing Indian land having to have a passport or commerce with trucks having to pass thru Indian land?"

Yes, and I can see the impact of the Indian nations if they take a path like this.

Remember that there are protocols in which the nations have to move to create treaties with the US in order to be recognized as an sovereign untethered nation.
 

OntarioVanMan

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In the case of dual citizenship status, whether an Indian can be a U.S. citizen and a citizen of a tribal nation at the same time. An American Indian can. This was decided in a Supreme Court case of 1916. On Trust responsibility: "The promises made in exchange for millions of acres of tribal land impose on the federal government 'moral obligations of the highest responsibility and trust.'" Of great importance in relationship to federal law is that the rights of Indians and tribes are not based on racial definitions.

The Constitution expressly authorizes Congress to regulate commerce with Indian tribes; thus, there is a constitutional basis for enacting laws unique to Indians." Laws relating to Indians are not to be viewed as racial legislation. Why? Because Indians "were early inhabitants of this territory." Judged the Supreme Court in 1974: "The Constitution gives Congress the power to treat Indians as a 'separate people.'" This "Plenary power" of Congress over Indian tribes can be a double-edged sword. Beyond the quagmire of race classification is the potential that Congress will again limit Indian rights or may attempt to once again terminate tribal nations from federal recognition. In 1995, this danger almost took a serious bite out of Indian legal standing. A series of bills that some say would have been a mortal blow to the whole structure of American Indian tribal rights, mostly the brainchild of U.S. Senator Slade Gorton, R-Wash., were barely fought off. A congressional fight of major proportions was needed, and tribes did ultimately prevail against the malignant legislation. Later, the same tribes who fought Gorton helped to defeat him with an Indian-endorsed democrat as opponent. In that campaign, as we will see increasingly, it was the power of solid information and the ability to broadcast it that won the day for U.S. tribes

As for the whites not coming to our casino, well there will be others because Greed is most likely the Biggest Value in American Society. We will continue to grow our base of tourists and someday it will be a large part of our economic development and hopefully we will not rely on one enterprise to run our tribe. We have obstacles such as, no tax base. The government set this up and because people do not have to pay taxes on there property we struggle. It will be a great day when our Lakota homeowners and stockholders are paying property taxes. Then we can build our own civic centers and swimming centers our youth centers
 

greg334

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OVM,
It don't matter anyway, with Kelo Vs. New London, the supreme court single handedly ripped our rights to shreds on the issue of property ownership and put it into the hands of the state. Something that is key to the country and to our rights.

Also for those who want to shut down the border, the biggest obstacle to a plan build a real border is a tribe right on the border that Mexico uses as an access point, so I would say that national security and the our countries sovereignty is at risk by this clause in the constitution and needs to be changed.
 

OntarioVanMan

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Greg..that land ownership issue..is that about the states right to expropriate your land if the state needs it?
 

Moot

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How about withholding small pox vaccines for people with ancestral lineage on the North American continent going back to 1200 A.D.
 

Moot

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On a lighter note: Those wacky rapists, pillagers and plunderers, the Vikings, got the snot pounded out of them by the Redskins Sunday night.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
too much moot

OVM,
Yes it is about property rights but goes beyond the state taking the property away, any city can and the feds will have an easier time.
 

OntarioVanMan

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so if I say the Cowboys should lay a beating on the Redskins next time..Is that a hate crime and me a racist?

or better yet if I cheer for the Redskins will Rich tell me to go back to Canada?*L*
 
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