Is Obama a closet conservative?

OntarioVanMan

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Feb 21, 2009 04:30 AM

Thomas Walkom-Toronto Star

Canadians going gaga over Barack Obama need to get a grip. He is not going to change the world. He is not going to right all wrongs. Indeed, his whirlwind visit to Ottawa this week underlines the new U.S. president's innate conservatism.

Take the one concrete measure that came out of his Thursday meeting with Prime Minister Stephen Harper – a Canada-U.S. decision to look into carbon capture as a solution to global warming.

This does not signify Harper's willingness to endorse an Obama-sponsored get-tough approach to climate change. Rather, it represents the opposite – Obama's willingness to sign on to Harper's search (much criticized by Canadian environmentalists) for a miraculous new technology that would allow oil refineries and coal plants to keep polluting and then permanently store the resultant carbon emissions underground.

The U.S. president, in a veiled criticism of the Kyoto Accord on climate change, also noted that no solution to global warming can be found unless China and India are drawn in.

This has been Harper's position all along. It was also that of former U.S. president George W. Bush.

None of this is to say that Obama is Bush redux. He isn't. But the differences between the two have been greatly overdrawn.

The war on terror: Obama isn't backing away from Bush's decision to define terrorism as war, a crucial label that gives the president constitutional authority to operate with few Congressional constraints. The key difference is that the new president wants to shift the focus of that war to Afghanistan.

Now this I found interesting...Let others do the dirty work!
True, he has changed its parameters by ordering the Guantanamo Bay prison closed. He's also banned the use of torture by U.S. officials.

But at the same time, his administration has quietly indicated that it plans to continue the practice of so-called extraordinary rendition: capturing suspected terrorists anywhere in the world and shipping them off to countries such as Egypt to be tortured.


And Obama is continuing to use national security as an excuse to keep those that have been illegally incarcerated from getting redress in U.S. courts.

As for Afghanistan, Obama is working on a new strategy that he'll reveal soon. We'll find out then what he wants Canada to do.

But, like Bush, he is continuing to widen the war by bombing suspected Taliban targets in Pakistan.

The economic crisis: Obama's $787 billion (U.S.) stimulus package of tax cuts and government spending is almost certainly different from anything Bush might have devised.

But a parallel $2 trillion (U.S.) attempt to solve the financial crisis is more Bushian. While Obama is willing to lavish unprecedented amounts of public money on the U.S. financial system, like Bush he seems congenitally unwilling to give taxpayers a role in determining how these funds are used.

Instead, his various schemes – including this week's $275 billion (U.S.) mortgage bailout plan – involve attempts to bribe private financiers, through so-called incentive payments, to act in the public interest.

Obama is even planning to offer billions in subsidies to the very hedge funds that provoked the current crisis, in the hope that this time they'll use the money well.

Oddly enough, even Harper's Conservative government is more willing to endorse direct state intervention in financial markets. It has given $200 billion to crown corporations such as Canada Housing and Mortgage Corporation, Export Development Canada and the Business Development Bank to do just that.

Canada-U.S. relations: The basic bargain made after 9/11 still holds – Ottawa takes account of American security concerns; in return, Washington recognizes Canada's need for access to U.S. markets.

That's what Harper was talking about when, at a press conference Thursday, he veered into an impassioned soliloquy on Canada's commitment to border security.

Obama says he still wants to write labour and environmental safeguards into the main North American Free Trade Agreement. We'll see how far he pushes that. It's worth noting, though, that Harper has dropped the apocalyptic language he once used when this topic came up.

For Harper, however, the real benefit of an Obama presidency goes beyond specifics such as trade. It is that Obama's popularity here makes it easier for his government to align itself with the U.S. on an entire range of issues – from drug regulation to defence.

Indeed, those who used to call the prime minister a Bush sycophant missed the point. As this week's events demonstrate, Harper is willing to fawn over any U.S. president.

Like his predecessors Paul Martin and Brian Mulroney, this prime minister wants Canada cemented more firmly into America's orbit – regardless of who is in the White House – in the hope that this will produce economic rewards.

Now, thanks to Obama's charm, the adoration of the public and Canada's star-struck media, that task is considerably easier.
 

layoutshooter

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Gee Aristotle, you are much nicer to Obama than I. I just think he is a inexperienced flaming liberal. LOL. At least the flaming part is good, we could use the heat to make electricity. We are going to have to, this guy thinks wind farms are going to replace real power plants. I got an idea, why not put excerise bikes with generators in all the prisons and have the prisoners ride the bikes 8 hours a day. Layoutshooter
 

mjolnir131

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Gee Aristotle, you are much nicer to Obama than I. I just think he is a inexperienced flaming liberal. LOL. At least the flaming part is good, we could use the heat to make electricity. We are going to have to, this guy thinks wind farms are going to replace real power plants. I got an idea, why not put excerise bikes with generators in all the prisons and have the prisoners ride the bikes 8 hours a day. Layoutshooter

Now this is the type of true liberal thinking that CAN save this county.
 

aristotle

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My younger brother still works in the underground coal mines of Eastern Kentucky. They mine coal 24/7 just to keep up with demand. Coal is America's ace in the hole.
 

Tennesseahawk

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IMO, like most Canadians, this Thomas Walkam wouldn't know conservatism if it bit him on his arse. Indeed, most Americans don't have a clue, as the last true conservative, small government president/Congress we've had was during Coolidge. Reagan was conservative, and made great speeches, but one man can only do so much. Even he had to negotiate with tax-and-spend liberals.

The only way for a foriegner (or citizen, for that matter) to understand conservatism is to understand the Constitution. They have to understand that you are born with freedom; and that every time you demand something from your government, no matter how necessary you think it might be, you give some of that freedom away. And each time you do, the government will promise more, and gain more power as a result.
 

layoutshooter

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I would love to have a "true" conservative in charge here for a change. There has not been one in my lifetime. Layoutshooter
 

layoutshooter

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Back when I was a kid, a zillion years ago, before the times of PETA, anti-gun nuts etc my brothers, cousins and I used to take our .22's down to the garbage dump and shoot rats all day. What a blast!! We would go through hundreds of rounds a day. It really helped to improve our shooting skills and kept the rats down a bit too!! A win win!! It even helped the economy. We spent a lot of money on .22 shells and kept those factories humming. Layoutshooter
 

chefdennis

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Barry is fare from a conservative, even a Canadain conservative. what he is is a lair...He doesn't have a position on anything other than his political position, he will just tell these people what he feels will benefit him and his political position, he is nothing more then an appeaser, wait till he has to deal with those in the ME that wish nothing but the death of the U.S. He will roll over like a puppy wanting its belly scratched.

As for "catch and release" mouse traps and letting hamas go free in tel aviv, don't worry about that, Barry is letting them move freely right here in our country, with welcome arms.....
 

aristotle

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Layout... how much cost for a permit to go after a flesh-eating chimpanzee in Connecticut? I realize the chimp was finally put down by the cops, but was that a crazy situation or what?
 

layoutshooter

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That was nuts!! I don't think that I am one to go in for exotic pets. Too many things can go wrong. Layoutshooter
 
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