Iranian protests continue to build

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
During the agency years I was on several safety councils and volunteer fire crews both civilian and at the Federal level.


What? You don't believe that either?

Let's see, I was on the volunteer safety council in England where I co-authored the ops evacuation plan. I was also on the ops fire/rescue team.

I also wrote the evac plan for the site in North Carolina. As well as all the other firefighting/emt stuff I listed.

DO you want a list of every where I have hunted and fished? Guided?
 
Last edited:

DougTravels

Not a Member
Layout your "Spy" days seem to be alot of EMT and firefighting stuff, from your posted bio.

I am sure the real juicy double naut stuff is still classified.
 

aristotle

Veteran Expediter
Watching the passion and intensity of the Iranian protesters leads me to conclude "regime change" is coming to Iran very, very soon. I fear it will be accompanied by lots of bloodshed since authoritarian-style rulers don't relinquish power any other way.

This uprising is a domestic drama inside Iran. It has nothing to do with Obama or America. Of course, we have a national security interest in the outcome. But, it is not about us.

Hopefully, a secular government will take shape and the Islamic Republic will be no more.
 
Last edited:

DougTravels

Not a Member
Would you say that your double naut days were more like:
A: James Bond- if picking A, please say which Bond, I like Connery!
B:Max Helm, you know the Dean Martin ones
C:Maxwell Smart
D:Jason Bourne
E:Jethro Bodine
F:The Harrison Ford- Clear and Present danger role, I can't think of his name- Oh yeah Jack Ryan I think
G:Austin Powers- nope he was british
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Layout your "Spy" days seem to be alot of EMT and firefighting stuff, from your posted bio.

I am sure the real juicy double naut stuff is still classified.

Yeah Doug, a lot of it really still is classified, mostly because I am sure much of it is still ongoing. All the EMT and firefighting were SIDE avocations. I needed more of a challenge than the Agency could provide.

While I am proud of my Agency life I am most proud of my REAL life. Staying married to one women, rasing my own kids, providing for my family. Teaching other's kids, running into burning buildings. ETC ETC.

My most cherished award? When fighting fires in the Everglades we saved the shack of a really old alligator poucher. He was a very proud man, very old school, he never forgot to thank those who did him right. He carved each and every one of us homemade slingshots out of "Y's" off the gum trees that surrounded his house. I still have that slingshot, I am sure that old man is long dead, but as long as that slingshot exsists, not forgotten. :)
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Watching the passion and intensity of the Iranian protesters leads me to conclude "regime change" is coming to Iran very, very soon. I fear it will be accompanied by lots of bloodshed since authoritarian-style rulers don't relinquish power any other way.

This uprising is a domestic drama inside Iran. It has nothing to do with Obama or America. Of course, we have a national security interest in the outcome. But, it is not about us.

Hopefully, a secular government will take shape and the Islamic Republic will be no more.

Aristotle, I meant that he was still alive and kicking. It wasn't off with his head. I do feel that there is a reason that he did this and the Supreme leader knows more than one side of it.

There is a lot going, some are looking for signs of American support while others seem to be taking a different course. If it changes, I think they will use the Iraq model and still be an Islamic state.

One thing for sure is they have been watching Iraq.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Would you say that your double naut days were more like:
A: James Bond- if picking A, please say which Bond, I like Connery!
B:Max Helm, you know the Dean Martin ones
C:Maxwell Smart
D:Jason Bourne
E:Jethro Bodine
F:The Harrison Ford- Clear and Present danger role, I can't think of his name- Oh yeah Jack Ryan I think
G:Austin Powers- nope he was british

None of the above, I did REAL work!! Not Fiction!! The Brits I worked with were REALLY good!! So were the Canadians!! :)
 

aristotle

Veteran Expediter
One thing for sure though they are inspired by Obama for "Change"

Doug... have you considered the Iranians might have hopes and aspirations in their own right? I dare say, they probably care more about ending a repressive theocracy than giving a single thought to an American president.
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
Hmmm, seems Layout was pretty much right on with about the funding for revolution in Iran from the US going back 6 yrs or so...

pro-democracy programs began in 2004, when Congress earmarked $1.5 million of the State Department budget for “educational, humanitarian, and non-governmental organizations and individuals inside Iran to support the advancement of democracy and human rights in Iran.”

The funding ramped up dramatically two years later, when Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice requested $75 million for pro-democracy programs.

And guess when it ended and what admin ended it in his budget request!!! :

But no money has been earmarked for such programs in the administration’s fiscal 2010 foreign operations budget request. Congressional sources told Newsmax they doubted that a Democrat-controlled Congress would add it when the budget comes before a committee next week.



Obama Erases Pro-Democracy Money for Iran

Friday, June 19, 2009 2:40 PM
By: Kenneth R. Timmerman
Newsmax.com - Obama Erases Pro-Democracy Money for Iran


Even as Ayatollah Khamenei blasted the United States for fomenting unrest in a defiant Friday prayer address in Tehran, President Obama has kept silent, focusing instead on domestic policy.


Obama spent more time with TV personality Stephen Colbert, taping a segment for a comedy show, than he did addressing the turmoil in Iran this week.


Newsmax has learned that the Obama administration also has zeroed out funding for pro-democracy programs inside Iran from the State Department budget for fiscal 2010, just as protests in Iran are ramping up.


Funding for pro-democracy programs began in 2004, when Congress earmarked $1.5 million of the State Department budget for “educational, humanitarian, and non-governmental organizations and individuals inside Iran to support the advancement of democracy and human rights in Iran.”


The funding ramped up dramatically two years later, when Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice requested $75 million for pro-democracy programs. More than half of the $66.1 million Congress finally appropriated went to expand U.S. government-funded Persian language broadcasting services at Voice of America and Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty.


But no money has been earmarked for such programs in the administration’s fiscal 2010 foreign operations budget request. Congressional sources told Newsmax they doubted that a Democrat-controlled Congress would add it when the budget comes before a committee next week.


Controversy has surrounded the programs from the start, with pro-regime lobbying groups, such as the National Iranian-American Council urging the State Department to cancel the funding.


And although Bush administration officials told pro-democracy activists they wanted to fund projects inside Iran (as called for in the original legislative language), State Department desk officers intervened to block funding for any projects other than cultural exchanges and “think tanks and studies,” insiders told Newsmax.


One key opponent of the funding, who weighed in at meetings to block specific grant requests aimed at helping pro-democracy groups inside Iran, was Suzanne Maloney, who is now at the Brookings Institution.


Speaking at a Washington forum that the National Iranian-American Council sponsored Wednesday, Maloney applauded President Obama’s do-nothing policy. “The best thing we can do for Iranian democracy is sit back and let Iranians fight it out for themselves,” she said, echoing the president’s own words from a brief press statement the day before.


Program supporters say the efforts of people such as Maloney inside the State Department to blunt the original intent have made the funding virtually meaningless.


“The State Department never did a lot with all the funding we gave them, so I’m not sure that zeroing it out is a huge loss,” an aide to a key congressional supporter of the funding told Newsmax.


"Of the total $67 million that was appropriated, $42.7 million has been obligated, and $20.8 disbursed,” according to a just-released report from the Congressional Research Service.


Kenneth Katzman, the analyst who wrote the research service's Iran report, told Newsmax that the programs “suffered from finding few participants” inside Iran who were willing to be seen as taking U.S. government money.


“These programs reached a limited number of people in Iran and that would indicate that their effectiveness was limited.”


When reporters asked White House spokesman Robert Gibbs on Thursday about the president’s “hands-off approach,” Gibbs said there was “no debate in the White House” over how to address the events in Iran.


“Everybody is on the same page. There’s no difference of opinion. I think the only thing I might take — the only thing I would take — some exception to is the notion that the president has been hands-off.”


The next question from the press was about Father’s Day.


Earlier, the White House and the State Department dismissed Iranian government claims that it was interfering in the election.


Secretary of State Hillary Clinton reinforced the administration’s “hands-off” policy in a statement to reporters on Wednesday.


“It is for the Iranians to determine how they resolve this internal protest concerning the outcome of the recent election,” she said.


At the same time, Clinton defended the phone call by a 27-year old State Department staffer to the CEO of Twitter, urging him to delay scheduled maintenance work to ensure that the social networking service remained available for use by Iranians without interruption.

© 2009 Newsmax. All rights reserved.

barry has none NOTHING to help put what we are seeing in iran in motion, he can't even tell them he supports their efforts and encourage their peaceful demonstrations, because he is gutless...

he doesn't have to send in troops or armament, but if he was the leader some here think he is, didn't stick hos neck out and show the support that regan did with poland when the unions took to the streets for solidarity!! but barry will have to find something to apologies about before he sayes a word to the people of iran...

And another thing, you think those people aren;t looking to america....i am not sure what what langauge they speak and i don't think they are taught english and english speelling in schools over there, but look at all of the signs, that are for the most part all in english, seems they are trying to send a message to the WEST/U.S. more then the iranian leaders....i might be wrong, i have been a time or 643, but i think i am pretty much on this time.....

Back to the road, need to make Joplin in a few hrs....
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Hmmm, seems Layout was pretty much right on with about the funding for revolution in Iran from the US going back 6 yrs or so...





And guess when it ended and what admin ended it in his budget request!!! :





Obama Erases Pro-Democracy Money for Iran

Friday, June 19, 2009 2:40 PM
By: Kenneth R. Timmerman
Newsmax.com - Obama Erases Pro-Democracy Money for Iran


Even as Ayatollah Khamenei blasted the United States for fomenting unrest in a defiant Friday prayer address in Tehran, President Obama has kept silent, focusing instead on domestic policy.


Obama spent more time with TV personality Stephen Colbert, taping a segment for a comedy show, than he did addressing the turmoil in Iran this week.


Newsmax has learned that the Obama administration also has zeroed out funding for pro-democracy programs inside Iran from the State Department budget for fiscal 2010, just as protests in Iran are ramping up.


Funding for pro-democracy programs began in 2004, when Congress earmarked $1.5 million of the State Department budget for “educational, humanitarian, and non-governmental organizations and individuals inside Iran to support the advancement of democracy and human rights in Iran.”


The funding ramped up dramatically two years later, when Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice requested $75 million for pro-democracy programs. More than half of the $66.1 million Congress finally appropriated went to expand U.S. government-funded Persian language broadcasting services at Voice of America and Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty.


But no money has been earmarked for such programs in the administration’s fiscal 2010 foreign operations budget request. Congressional sources told Newsmax they doubted that a Democrat-controlled Congress would add it when the budget comes before a committee next week.


Controversy has surrounded the programs from the start, with pro-regime lobbying groups, such as the National Iranian-American Council urging the State Department to cancel the funding.


And although Bush administration officials told pro-democracy activists they wanted to fund projects inside Iran (as called for in the original legislative language), State Department desk officers intervened to block funding for any projects other than cultural exchanges and “think tanks and studies,” insiders told Newsmax.


One key opponent of the funding, who weighed in at meetings to block specific grant requests aimed at helping pro-democracy groups inside Iran, was Suzanne Maloney, who is now at the Brookings Institution.


Speaking at a Washington forum that the National Iranian-American Council sponsored Wednesday, Maloney applauded President Obama’s do-nothing policy. “The best thing we can do for Iranian democracy is sit back and let Iranians fight it out for themselves,” she said, echoing the president’s own words from a brief press statement the day before.


Program supporters say the efforts of people such as Maloney inside the State Department to blunt the original intent have made the funding virtually meaningless.


“The State Department never did a lot with all the funding we gave them, so I’m not sure that zeroing it out is a huge loss,” an aide to a key congressional supporter of the funding told Newsmax.


"Of the total $67 million that was appropriated, $42.7 million has been obligated, and $20.8 disbursed,” according to a just-released report from the Congressional Research Service.


Kenneth Katzman, the analyst who wrote the research service's Iran report, told Newsmax that the programs “suffered from finding few participants” inside Iran who were willing to be seen as taking U.S. government money.


“These programs reached a limited number of people in Iran and that would indicate that their effectiveness was limited.”


When reporters asked White House spokesman Robert Gibbs on Thursday about the president’s “hands-off approach,” Gibbs said there was “no debate in the White House” over how to address the events in Iran.


“Everybody is on the same page. There’s no difference of opinion. I think the only thing I might take — the only thing I would take — some exception to is the notion that the president has been hands-off.”


The next question from the press was about Father’s Day.


Earlier, the White House and the State Department dismissed Iranian government claims that it was interfering in the election.


Secretary of State Hillary Clinton reinforced the administration’s “hands-off” policy in a statement to reporters on Wednesday.


“It is for the Iranians to determine how they resolve this internal protest concerning the outcome of the recent election,” she said.


At the same time, Clinton defended the phone call by a 27-year old State Department staffer to the CEO of Twitter, urging him to delay scheduled maintenance work to ensure that the social networking service remained available for use by Iranians without interruption.

© 2009 Newsmax. All rights reserved.

barry has none NOTHING to help put what we are seeing in iran in motion, he can't even tell them he supports their efforts and encourage their peaceful demonstrations, because he is gutless...

he doesn't have to send in troops or armament, but if he was the leader some here think he is, didn't stick hos neck out and show the support that regan did with poland when the unions took to the streets for solidarity!! but barry will have to find something to apologies about before he sayes a word to the people of iran...

And another thing, you think those people aren;t looking to america....i am not sure what what langauge they speak and i don't think they are taught english and english speelling in schools over there, but look at all of the signs, that are for the most part all in english, seems they are trying to send a message to the WEST/U.S. more then the iranian leaders....i might be wrong, i have been a time or 643, but i think i am pretty much on this time.....

Back to the road, need to make Joplin in a few hrs....


I have my sorces!!! :D
 

tallcal101

Veteran Expediter
Remember that great Everleys Brother song "Dreamin'? That pretty well sums up the great Democacy of Iraq. Suicide bombings each and everyday,nation wide corruption in every corner of the current regime and a lack luster Iraqi Army. Still being financed by the US by the way. It was a far fetched fantasy to begin with (based on BS) and will not have one single positive effect on the middle east. Greg and co. will never "get it".They can't get beyond those two stinking votes they cast. Doug,it's just eats away at all of them and Lord knows we won't let them forget. To admit Iraq is worse off (what,our special op's guys could not take out Saddam)is just to bitter a pill. It was w's little failed folly without any lasting positives.

But nooooo,Greg and company have to continue to justify those votes by bringing Iraq into the Iranian situations. Wrong,wrong and one more wrong !!The signs the young people in the streets are flashing are in ENGLISH. Why would that be Greg ?? For w to see? He's to busy in Crawford. It's for the people who know how to make real change in the world to see.That would be your new President and all the young Americans who put him to power. Mr. Obama. Get it? Change,Obama ,Iran ?Not w ,change, Iraq,Iran.Not in your dreams Greg.

My opinion is Obama is charting the correct course through this. He will shame the dictator and zealot leaders at the optimum time. It's all about timing,something blind w supporters could never possibly understand.w was all about lack of timing,in fact he had no idea the concept good timing existed.Shoot,blink then think was w's idea of timing.
 
Last edited:

aristotle

Veteran Expediter
TC... "victory through shame" does not strike me as a particularly effective foreign policy. We already tried that with Jimmy Carter.
 
Last edited:

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Andy,
You are still clueless, have you yet taken my suggestion and talked to someone from Iraq or even Iran?

Maybe even a Syrian or Egyptian?

Have you been pursing the arab population here for accurate information or to see what really is going on.

Most likely you haven't and most likely you don't get the English signs as they were explained on line with some of the YouTube videos posted by the Iranians themselves. Go listen to the people, they speak not of revoluition because of some half truthed politician in our country but because they see what has happened over in Iraq. Listen to them, not to me.

It is just like this idea that Obama is the world's president, he isn't and can't be. He has not real power to influence a country like Iran in such a short time - are you that out of touch and reading the democratic new talking points.

Do you honestly think that the Iranians forgotten Carter, the one reason they don't trust us is because of that disgusting pathetic man and many of them seem to think that Obama is a clone of Carter.

What floors me is that many of you lefties forget that the people who lived there and worked there seem to know more of what is going on than our media who twists the truth. You tend to beleive the media and the talking points but not the people.
 

DougTravels

Not a Member
TIME magazine, Cal, and Doug all agree! Greg doesn't know what he is talking about.

From TIME magazine
George W. Bush was the American President Arabs loved to hate. Even out of office, he ranked as the most disliked foreign leader in a survey of public opinion in six Middle East countries completed last month. The contrast couldn't be sharper with President Barack Obama at the outset of his trip to the Mideast in which he will address the Muslim world in Cairo, and as his popularity is surging toward rock-star proportions. Obama's problem, however, may be that the good vibes he's eliciting in Arab countries are accompanied by expectations he may struggle to meet.

Middle East Muslims Like Obama’s Words but Want to See Action
Can Obama Broker Middle East Peace?
Can Obama Win Muslim Hearts and Minds?
The same poll that found a 61% dislike for Bush saw nearly half of respondents — 45% — take a positive view of the new President. And, in a region known for its deep cynicism about U.S. policy, 51% of respondents were very hopeful or somewhat hopeful about Obama's plans for the Middle East. "People want to fall in love with him, they want to believe in him, they want to embrace him," says Shibley Telhami, principal investigator for the 2009 Annual Arab Public Opinion Survey conducted by the University of Maryland with Zogby International. "Expectations are getting high." (See Cairo getting ready for Obama.)

Obama will win some praise simply for showing up in Cairo, the largest Arab metropolis (pop. 17 million) — his address at Cairo University in the heart of the 1,000-year-old city is likely to produce TV images not of the anti-American flag burners of recent years but of a relaxed, amiable U.S. President speaking to applauding, smiling young Egyptians. His calculated reaching out to the Muslim world began in his Inaugural Address, when he said that the U.S. sought "a new way forward, based on mutual interest and mutual respect." While Obama's conciliatory tone is welcome, some are giving him the benefit of the doubt simply because of his Muslim family roots and Muslim middle name, Hussein. (See pictures from Obama's recent European trip.)

There have been positive reviews in the region for some of Obama's initial steps in office, such as ordering the closure of the prison at Guantánamo, moving to withdraw troops from Iraq and calling for resumption of Arab-Israeli peace negotiations. He has also improved strained relations with moderate Arab leaders, and started reversing U.S. efforts to isolate antagonists such as Iran and Syria. "Obama is certainly different from Bush," Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak raved recently. "Obama is a man who conducts business with a great deal of accuracy, realism and rationality." The prospect of a warm Obama-Arab embrace is already worrying some in Israel, where a recent poll showed merely 31% believed that Obama was pro-Israel. After Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's recent talks with Obama in Washington, the leading Israeli daily Ma'ariv quoted a senior Israeli political source saying, "Israel is no longer America's favorite son." (See pictures of Islam's soft revolution.)

Obama's positive reception in the Arab world could certainly assist him, at least in the short term, with his various initiatives aimed at repairing American interests in the region. "There is a tremendous rift between America and the Middle East because of the last eight years," says Nabil Fahmy, former Egyptian ambassador to the U.S. "There are three major crises: Afghanistan, Iraq and the Arab-Israeli conflict. To achieve progress, you have to have regional players help you with these things."

But Obama could be sowing the seeds for greater disillusionment, given the difficulty he will encounter in fulfilling the expectations he has raised. Obama will be even more popular among Arabs if he pressures Israel, but if Netanyahu's new right-wing government fails to budge, or if Palestinian attacks on Israel continue, the President risks a backlash from Israel's many supporters on Capitol Hill. A second tricky issue is democracy. If Obama doesn't push for greater freedom in the Middle East, he'll upset the region's embattled democracy activists. If he pushes for political change, he'll undermine the Arab autocrats on whose support his hopes for a comprehensive peace with Israel rest.

Iran may be another issue that ****s Obama either way. If he's too aggressive on the issue of the Islamic Republic's nuclear program, the Muslim street will view him as doing Israel's bidding and upholding double standards by declining to criticize Israel's suspected nuclear arsenal. If he's too conciliatory toward Tehran, Arab autocrats and Israel will sound the alarm about a Persian menace. "Obama is plainly trying to alter the course of the ship of state," says David Welch, a former U.S. ambassador to Egypt. "But the degree of policy difference from one Administration to another is not that considerable. You can have repackaging or readjustments, but under Republicans or Democrats, there has been a fairly consistent focus on certain fundamentals."

More of the same is clearly not what Arabs want to hear. The recent opinion survey in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Morocco, Lebanon and the United Arab Emirates showed that while the Middle East is surprisingly hopeful about Obama, skepticism about America remains high. Only 18% had a positive view of the U.S., while 77% said they held a very or somewhat unfavorable view of the U.S.

The message is clear: Arabs are giving Obama a chance, but they expect a substantial change of direction from the U.S. "If he comes to say, 'We respect Islam, America is not against you,' then it's just rhetoric," says Hala Mustafa, editor of the Arabic journal Democracy, published in Cairo. "To bridge the gap, you need to change some policies and play a more active role in solving Middle East problems. He will be brave if he stresses the real challenges facing us today, like the need for freedom, tolerance, respect for individual rights, women's rights and diversity." Two years ago, few would have given Obama much of a chance of winning the White House, so he clearly is an exceptional politician. He'll certainly have to be in order to win over the Arab world, and keep it on America's side.
 

DougTravels

Not a Member
Opps Greg Reuters too:

Obama more popular than U.S. among Arabs: survey
Sun May 10, 2009

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama's popularity in leading Arab countries far outstrips that of the United States, suggesting he could be able to boost goodwill in the region toward his country, a survey showed on Sunday.

Obama, set to give a major speech to the Muslim world in Egypt next month, "currently enjoys widespread optimism among citizens of that region that he will have a positive effect on their own country, the Middle East, the United States and indeed the world," the polling outfit Ipsos said.

Ipsos said its poll, conducted in March, involved 7,000 adults in Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, Lebanon, Egypt and Jordan.

Of those surveyed, 33 percent had a favorable view of the United States, 43 percent had a negative view, 14 percent were neutral and 10 percent said they did not know, Ipsos said.

In contrast, Obama received favorable ratings averaging 48 percent in the region as a whole. Approval ran as high as 58 percent in Jordan and was lowest among Egyptians, who gave Obama favorable ratings of 35 percent, Ipsos said.

Only 22 percent of Egyptians expressed a favorable view of the United States, the lowest of the six countries surveyed.

Regionwide, only one in 10 residents thought Obama would have a negative effect on their country, the poll showed.

The gulf between Obama's popularity and that of the United States indicated "there is an opportunity for the president to literally 'bridge the gap' where his reposit goodwill lifts the goodwill toward America," Ipsos said in statement.

The White House announced on Friday that Obama would deliver a much-anticipated speech to the Muslim world in Egypt on June 4, seeking to repair ties that were damaged under his predecessor George W. Bush.

Many Arab and Muslim nations were angered by the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, harsh interrogation of terrorism suspects at the Guantanamo Bay detention facility, abuse of prisoners in Iraq and Bush's initial reluctance to pursue Israeli-Palestinian peace.

Ipsos said the survey had a margin of error ranging from 2.6 to 3 percentage points depending on the country.
 

DougTravels

Not a Member
Here is another Greg:

Obama ratings up in Arab countries ahead of visit

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Obama ratings up in Arab countries ahead of visit


WASHINGTON - President Barack Obama's popularity in Arab nations has risen sharply compared to his predecessor George W. Bush, a poll showed Monday ahead of his trip to the heart of the Arab-Muslim world.

In seven out of 10 Arab countries plus the Palestinian territories surveyed by Gallup, Obama's popularity saw double-digit percentage increases compared with ratings for Bush compiled mostly from last year, the poll showed.

"These upsurges may reflect positive reception to Obama and his administration's public outreach to the Muslim world," Gallup analysts said in a report published with the poll results.

"The president's overtures toward pulling US troops out of Iraq and closing Guantanamo Bay prison ... also may have resonated with residents," said the report issued ahead of Obama's departure for Saudi Arabia and Egypt.

In Saudi Arabia on Wednesday, Obama will hold talks with King Abdullah, seeking Arab support for US peace efforts for the Middle East.

The following day, the US leader will make a personal address in Egypt to the world's Muslims, seeking to heal rifts and rebuild Arab trust in the United States.

Approval of the US president was up by 19 points to 25 percent in Egypt and up 17 points to 29 percent in Saudi Arabia from ratings in May 2008 of six and 12 percent for Bush, the poll showed.

But the poll showed that Obama's popularity fell in the Palestinian Territories from 13 percent for Bush to seven percent and also declined in Lebanon, from 25 to 22 percent in May 2008.

Gallup speculated that the drop in the Palestinian territories was "perhaps related to Obama's silence during Israel's attacks on Gaza shortly before he took office."

Tunisia in north Africa saw the largest percentage change, with Obama's ratings rising to 37 percent from a 14 percent approval rating for Bush in June last year.

Obama also registered a double-digit rise in popularity in Syria, where 15 percent of those polled said they approved of the US president compared with only four percent for Bush last year.

In addition to Egypt, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Tunisia and the Palestinian Territories, surveys were also conducted in Algeria, Kuwait, Mauritania, Qatar and Yemen. Around 1,000 adults aged 15 and older were polled in each country.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Ok Doug, what can I say?

Oh my, you are so d*mn right and I am so wrong.... I just was so misinformed that tomorrow when I make my trip to have breakfast with people who just happen to be from the middle east, I will bring print outs of your posts to show them they are clueless about their home countries and Doug and Andy are so right. Yes that will convince them that they will have to fall into place with our new leader...

.... OH Obama, please bless us with your greatness, keep us from harm and show us the path to utopia and world peace ....

But I am trying to figure this out doug, why after dealing with some of these people for something like 16 years, it never dawned on me that we will have a messiah that will fix everything within 6 months of his assent to power?

Could it be that Obama has come to earth as a Gift from God to erase 1200 years of bloodshed and strife?

Our great leader will bring people together with his grand aura which radiates from that halo above his head.

I don't know seeing that you have proved nothing with 20,000 people who may have been part of the polls out of millions that reside in these countries. The people who answered these polls must be right and the millions of others are wrong?

I don't know, it sounds all confusing......

Oh Dog can you make sense of the teachings of the messiah Obama, the great one, on how are we supposed to follow?

Do we all give up our worldly goods and conform, you know is it like what others in the past wanted us to be?

Or is it that the world of individuality is dead and the collective will become a way of life?

Would you like to be part of this greater good?

Then way are you striving for independent wealth?

Give it up, be part of the solution, not part of the problem.

But Duog have you had an original thought? Yet?

Or better yet....

I believe you can understand more if you open your mind and stop looking at things as a left or right issue or Bush did this and it is bad thing because Bush did it. You should go down and meet some of these people, get to know them and form a real opinion about the issues instead of reading Time.

Seeing you like to quote lyrics;

All your life is Time Magazine
I read it too
What does it mean?

or is it.....

All your life is channel 13
Sesame Street
What does it mean?

Yep .. what does it mean... us un-enlighten idiots want to know.....
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Ok Doug, what can I say?

Oh my, you are so d*mn right and I am so wrong.... I just was so misinformed that tomorrow when I make my trip to have breakfast with people who just happen to be from the middle east, I will bring print outs of your posts to show them they are clueless about their home countries and Doug and Andy are so right. Yes that will convince them that they will have to fall into place with our new leader...

.... OH Obama, please bless us with your greatness, keep us from harm and show us the path to utopia and world peace ....

But I am trying to figure this out doug, why after dealing with some of these people for something like 16 years, it never dawned on me that we will have a messiah that will fix everything within 6 months of his assent to power?

Could it be that Obama has come to earth as a Gift from God to erase 1200 years of bloodshed and strife?

Our great leader will bring people together with his grand aura which radiates from that halo above his head.

I don't know seeing that you have proved nothing with 20,000 people who may have been part of the polls out of millions that reside in these countries. The people who answered these polls must be right and the millions of others are wrong?

I don't know, it sounds all confusing......

Oh Dog can you make sense of the teachings of the messiah Obama, the great one, on how are we supposed to follow?

Do we all give up our worldly goods and conform, you know is it like what others in the past wanted us to be?

Or is it that the world of individuality is dead and the collective will become a way of life?

Would you like to be part of this greater good?

Then way are you striving for independent wealth?

Give it up, be part of the solution, not part of the problem.

But Duog have you had an original thought? Yet?

Or better yet....

I believe you can understand more if you open your mind and stop looking at things as a left or right issue or Bush did this and it is bad thing because Bush did it. You should go down and meet some of these people, get to know them and form a real opinion about the issues instead of reading Time.

Seeing you like to quote lyrics;

All your life is Time Magazine
I read it too
What does it mean?

or is it.....

All your life is channel 13
Sesame Street
What does it mean?

Yep .. what does it mean... us un-enlighten idiots want to know.....

Gee, I find it kind of sad and scary that nations that want to kill us like Obama sooooo much.
 
Top