Interesting Concept

layoutshooter

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Back in late 1971 I was coming home on leave from an overseas site. I was proudly wearing the uniform of the United States Military.

At that time I was a NON-Combatant. My "Mission" at that time in history was to insure that Soviet Nuclear Weapons Storage Bases, stayed where they should and the that 5th Mongolian Tank Guard stayed at home.

When I arrived at Detroit Metro Airport there was a group of "Left Wing", Hippies, dirty, stinking of illegal air borne inhaled drugs. Several of those "Peace Lovers" SPIT on me and the other military people who came off of that plane. They MOCKED us, and called us "Baby Killers"

Funny.

MANY of those same people today, now adults, still left wing, and most likely STILL stinking of illegal inhaled drugs, have NO problem with abortion.

Who are the baby killers?
 

Poorboy

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Back in late 1971 I was coming home on leave from an overseas site. I was proudly wearing the uniform of the United States Military.

At that time I was a NON-Combatant. My "Mission" at that time in history was to insure that Soviet Nuclear Weapons Storage Bases, stayed where they should and the that 5th Mongolian Tank Guard stayed at home.

When I arrived at Detroit Metro Airport there was a group of "Left Wing", Hippies, dirty, stinking of illegal air borne inhaled drugs. Several of those "Peace Lovers" SPIT on me and the other military people who came off of that plane. They MOCKED us, and called us "Baby Killers"

Funny.

MANY of those same people today, now adults, still left wing, and most likely STILL stinking of illegal inhaled drugs, have NO problem with abortion.

Who are the baby killers?

And No Doubt that Some of those Nit Wits are Now Life Long Politicians!! :mad:
 

layoutshooter

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Yeah, you got that right!! Just imagine just how much "Courage" it takes to target un-born babies!! WHAT a threat they are!! :mad:
 

greg334

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That brings back memories of someone telling me that more people have died under governments that were socialist, communist or anything near one like them. The Soviets killed 60 million, the Germans killed 14 million, the Africans killed 15 million and the Chinese are still killing people. Each of these actually have had something to do to shape the peace movement and the left leaning hateful groups that claim to all about peace.
 

layoutshooter

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Was not one of Obama's "buds", William Ayers a supporter of the Soviets? Red Chinese? VC and Castro? NO wonder he so enjoys supporting baby killing. Like father like son!!
 

OntarioVanMan

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Wonder how many millions have died from US interference in the name of demacracy...in all the above...we will never know...
 

layoutshooter

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Well, since the U.S. is NOT a democracy, we will never know!! BUT, if that WAS so it is NOT as many who died NOT fighting Hitler, like your uncles complained about in early WWII.

DON'T fight left wingers and you lose, fight them and you lose.

That kinda sucks!!
 

layoutshooter

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AND!!!

I guess we are STILL wrong, as the Russians expand again. China still murders untold millions, in their own country, Tibet and Burma. OH YEAH!! Don't forget the re-arming of Cuba and the Russian and Soviet support of Iran, and North Korea!!

AND AND AND

Yeah, we are a terrible people.
 

layoutshooter

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OH YEAH!!

Let us NOT forget about what Soviet backed groups are doing in Lebanon, and Syria. AND, the NEW Soviet navel base in Syria.

Yeah, WE are the BAD guys!!
 

layoutshooter

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OH YEAH!!

Maybe we should investigate just how many nuns were raped and murdered by U.S. Soldiers. That was a FAVORITE of the Soviet backed VC, NVA AND the Patho-Loas.

But, why should the U.S. be concerned with silly stuff like that?

After all, WE caused it in the name of Democracy!
 

Pilgrim

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Wonder how many millions have died from US interference in the name of demacracy...in all the above...we will never know...

OVM, this statement is uncharacteristic of your usual levelheadedness. Just stop and think...suppose the US hadn't "interfered" in WWII? How about the "interference" of all the humanitarian and foreign aid for disasters such as earthquakes, sunamis, hunger and pestilence, etc? Suppose JFK had dithered during the Cuban Missle Crisis like the Coward In Chief is doing right now with Iran & Afghanistan? The US isn't perfect, but the world would certainly be different if we weren't here.
 

RLENT

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OVM, this statement is uncharacteristic of your usual levelheadedness.
Actually, I would argue that it is entirely characteristic of his usual levelheadedness.

There are some who would argue that the US government (past and present) can do no right. They ignore what good has been done.

And then are others who would argue that the US government (past and present) can absolutely do no wrong. These folks have the blinders on and can't admit that the US government has done much bad throughout the world.

There is no shortage of documentation of either of the above, it's out there - if you want look. Some folks prefer not to, and remaining ignorant is, of course, their right.

And then finally there are some of us out there somewhere in the middle, who recognize that while US government (past and present) has at times done great good for the world, it has also done things which, to put it mildly, ain't been so good .... one could say great evil ... and one wouldn't be wrong.

But to arrive at that point one has to at least be willing to look.

Just stop and think...suppose the US hadn't "interfered" ..... etc, etc.
Yes, just think ......

"War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small 'inside' group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes."

"I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents."

The above was written by Smedley Darlington Butler, Major General USMC (Retired), twice decorated with the highest military decoration this Nation can bestow: the Medal of Honor (one of only 19 people thus honored) and author of the book:

"War is a Racket" (<---- click for free online text of the book)

To learn more about who Smedley Butler was go here:

Smedley Butler

Now that guy had some real stones.

The US isn't perfect, but the world would certainly be different if we weren't here.
That's certainly true - in some cases it would be far worse off ..... and in many, many other cases undoubtedly far, far better off.

History - and the rest of the population of this planet - will be the judge ..... perhaps they are judging us ..... even now ........
 
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LDB

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To answer the original question, that would be Planned Parenthood and by association the pro choice clique.
 

aristotle

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I would have to say the United States, though surely imperfect, has been a net force for good. We were reluctantly drawn into two World Wars and saved Europe TWICE. After that, we successfully contained Communism for 45 years... sometimes fighting proxy wars in SE Asia, Latin America, Africa, the Middle East...

War is politics by other means. Regrettably, war is man's signature.
 
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OntarioVanMan

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Thank You Rlent...for the ability to see from the outside in..and not be blinded by Ole Glory fever...

Don't be disappointed Pilgrim & Aristotle...

Motive?
For the good of the world? or
the good of the Ole US of A interests?

While we parade around doing all these feel good deeds...there is a price to be paid , a favor owed...

No one does anything for nothing..
whether it be letting us fly over their airspace, use runways for re-fueling or help store military wares...

We all do it...Canada , Gr Brit. and so forth...

Part of the globalization of the world is...

We can be to any disaster in hours and world cooperation is amazing..

BUT we are contributing to world populations soaring, creating famine conditions is some parts...in the old days these people would have died by natural means...
 

Pilgrim

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Actually, I would argue that it is entirely characteristic of his usual levelheadedness.

There are some who would argue that the US government (past and present) can do no right. They ignore what good has been done.

And then are others who would argue that the US government (past and present) can absolutely do no wrong. These folks have the blinders on and can't admit that the US government has done much bad throughout the world.

There is no shortage of documentation of either of the above, it's out there - if you want look. Some folks prefer not to, and remaining ignorant is, of course, their right.

And then finally there are some of us out there somewhere in the middle, who recognize that while US government (past and present) has at times done great good for the world, it has also done things which, to put it mildly, ain't been so good .... one could say great evil ... and one wouldn't be wrong.

But to arrive at that point one has to at least be willing to look.

I'm not saying Uncle Sam has batted 1.000 since joining the world team, but ON BALANCE the world would be considerably worse off if this nation didn't exist. For starters, we would be discussing this (assuming the internet even existed) in German if not for the US involvement in WW2. Put a T chart together showing the positives and negatives and the significant good decidedly outweighs the significant bad.

"War is a Racket" (<---- click for free online text of the book)

To learn more about who Smedley Butler was go here:

Smedley Butler

Now that guy had some real stones.

I am continually amused by people who enjoy our standard of living on a daily basis and at the same time bash capitalism. No doubt there were a lot of capitalist pigs that made a lot of money manufacturing war materials during every war. But didn't WW2 pull us out of the Great Depression? Those same capitalist pigs took a lot of people out of the bread lines and put them in jobs that otherwise wouldn't have been there.

..... and in many, many other cases undoubtedly far, far better off.

Examples??

History - and the rest of the population of this planet - will be the judge ..... perhaps they are judging us ..... even now ........

History yes, but we need to quit being so concerned about being popular with the Europeans and Central Americans. There's not a d**n thing wrong with conducting our national business on the basis of our own self interest. A prime example of this is the upcoming Copenhagen fiasco. Fortunately the Senate has to ratify any agreements the Socialist in Chief signs over there.
 

RLENT

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I would have to say the United States, though surely imperfect, has been a net force for good.
That certainly is what they attempt to teach in the history books .... but then the government is largely in control of education these days ...... and has been for some time .....

Mmmmm ..... :rolleyes:

Of course, it is certainly true that the Nation of the United States is not the same thing as the relatively small number of people that worm their way into the government of the United States, or otherwise attempt to influence it.

We were reluctantly drawn into two World Wars and saved Europe TWICE.
Might be more facts there that are not necessarily in agreement ..... ones that would indicate that we weren't quite so reluctant ..... in fact, could be that there were some that weren't reluctant at all but were rather enthusiastic about the possibilities ......

One doesn't necessarily have to rely on the mainstream media for such info - indeed, it is likely that you won't find it there - instead one can read books and scholarly publications which rely on primary documents.

After that, we successfully contained Communism for 45 years...
..... after having had the Bolshevik Revolution itself funded from our shores. Of course, the cost of doing that generated enormous profits (for a fairly select few) - which of course had to be paid for by someone. (Keep that little factoid in mind next time you sign off on your 1040 and stick it in the mail with a check)

The following is from "Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution" by Antony C. Sutton (Arlington House, 1975), p. 170:

". . . there is considerable evidence of transfers of funds from Wall Street bankers to international revolutionary activitites. For example, there is the statement (substantiated by cablegram) by William Boyce Thompson - a director of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, a large stockholder in the Rockefeller-controlled Chase Bank, and a financial associate of the Guggenheims and Morgans - that he (Thompson) contributed $1 million to the Bolshevik Revolution for propaganda purposes.

Another example is John Reed, the American member of the Third International executive committee, who was financed and supported by Eugene Boissevain, a private New York banker, and who was employed by Harry Payne Whitney's Metropolitan magazine. Whitney was at that time a director of [the Morgan-controlled] Guaranty Trust. . . . Ludiwig Martens, the first Soviet "amabassador" to the United States was (according to British Intelligence chief Sir Basil Thompson) backed by funds from Guaranty Trust Company.

In tracing Trotsky's funding in the U.S. we arrived at German sources, yet to be identified, in New York. And though we do not know the precise German source of Trotsky's funds, we do know that Von Pavenstadt, the chief German espionage paymaster in the U.S., was also a senior partner of Amsinck & Co. Amsinck was owned by the ever-present American International Corporation - also controlled by the J. P. Morgan firm."


Mr. Sutton also wrote "Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler" and "Wall Street and FDR"

You may read about who he was here:

Antony C. Sutton

sometimes fighting proxy wars in SE Asia, Latin America, Africa, the Middle East...
As someone once said: "Follow the money ......"

War is politics by other means. Regrettably, war is man's signature.
I would differ .... most reasonable men would agree that they would prefer peace to war ..... (but not necessarily at any cost)

If that is true, it must therefore follow that those who actually want war must be but a small percentage of the population.

War is the signature of a relatively small number of men (I would maintain they are madmen - true psychopaths), who in their lust and greed, sucker entire populations into participating (and paying), while they themselves stand quietly in the background, reaping the rewards, collecting the profits ..... having never once bore arms themselves personally.

In trying to understand why someone would want war, one has to be willing to look at many things ...... some of them not necessarily all that pleasant .... indeed, many things in this world are often not what they seem to be.
 
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RLENT

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BTW, just so it's perfectly clear and no one makes the utterly fatal mistake of misunderstanding why the parties mentioned above provided the funding that they did:

It wasn't because these folks believed in the ideology of what they were funding - they didn't, and would likely consider any that did as fools .....

It was merely a good way to set up a situation where they could control entire populations and reap huge profits - two sides opposing one another, spending vast sums on the military-industrial complex (ahem .... which they own, BTW), and having it paid for by the people .....

David Rockefeller, Chairman, Chase Manhattan Bank, Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, etc. statement in 1973 about Mao Tse-tung: (NY Times 8-10-73):

"Whatever the price of the Chinese Revolution, it has obviously succeeded not only in producing more efficient and dedicated administration, but also in fostering high morale and community of purpose. The social experiment in China under Chairman Maos leadership is one of the most important and successful in human history."

Wow :eek: ....... that from a self-professed Republican ...... a scion of capitalism and the free-market, big business, and industry ....

And then there is this ditty from his memoirs:

"For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents (hmmm ... wonder what those were ?) ... to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."

Hmmmm ...... anybody see anything wrong with this picture ?

See if this one makes it any clearer for ya:

"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis ..." (David Rockefeller speaking at the UN, Sept. 14, 1994)
 
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