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Illegal immigrant found not guilty of murder

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  1. coalminer

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    Complete travesty of justice. He should be hung from the nearest tree.
     
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    I can see not finding him guilty of first or second degree murder, but as a convicted felon it's illegal for him to posses a firearm, even for 2 seconds. And picking up that firearm and allowing it to discharge is reckless endangerment resulting in loss of life, practically the legal definition of involuntary manslaughter.
     
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    Didn't follow the case much but I have served on Murder jury and the "jury charge" is you must consider only the evidence presented and the prosecutor MUST prove the charges beyond a reasonable doubt. They couldn't prove intent which is needed for murder (among other things). I don't know California law and I don't know if the jury can find him guilty of manslaughter if that wasn't charged. If they could then it is a travesty, if not it was a greedy prosecutor that made a bad decision.

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    BTW, in my Newark murder case we let him off even though we all thought he was guilty because the prosecutor couldn't prove their case.

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    Yeah, it's a travesty. He was charged with First Degree, Second Degree, Manslaughter, and Illegal Possession of a Firearm.
     
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    The prosecutor should be fired for incompetence.
     
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    Which trial was that? Just curious
     
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    Late eighties. My only memory is defendant was an older black guy and the pictures of victim (his girlfriend) with 38 stab wounds

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't this guy confess?

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    He didn’t deny that the gun was in his hand and it went off and shot her, but he claims it was an accident and I guess the jury believed him.

    But the fact that he shouldn’t have been there in the first place and being a convicted felon he should not have touched the gun. He should have been found guilty of manslaughter at a minimum


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    Yep, manslaughter.
     
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    He wasn't. . Been illegal is not an issue. . Heck I am illegal too..

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    I’ve never been in a murder trial but if you all thought he was guilty it would seem the prosecutor DID prove his case .
     
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    It's not about what you think or what you believe, it's about what you can prove. The burden of proof falls on the accuser (prosecutor), and the burden must be met.

    There's no doubt in my mind that OJ Simpson committed those two murders. I was in a position to watch every minute of that trial, including the things that were not told to the jury that might prejudice them. And if I had been on that jury, I'd have voted Not Guilty, too. The prosecution tied everything to an implausible and unbelievable timeline, thereby introducing a monster of a reasonable doubt, as it called into question every other thing they submitted.
     
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    Hangin out with Kato by the pool?
     
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    You were also gonna acquit OJ?

    You are gonna make all white people here throw a fit as ...you betraying your heritage. ..

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    Like I said, if I had been on the jury yeah.

    I'm not sure what heritage has to do with the law and evidentiary proof, but if my opinion causes all white people here to throw a fit, I think it says a lot more about them than it does me.
     
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    Did you really just go there?
    Wow!
     
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    No need to get alarmed .... simply an agitator ...

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