I saw a neat sign this weekend,in Ohio

[HoboOfTheHwy]

This sign read " Do you know the real meaning of Christmas? It's not choosing between an IPOD AND AN XBOX ! I like that!


Support our military members and their families,this Holiday season,and always !
They are defending our freedom !
The Only Easy Day,Was Yesterday- U.S. Navy Seals

 

[Jayman]

Yes, it makes a good point.

 

[cheri1122]

As does the addition of tiny legs & feet to the Christian fish symbol, to denote the scientific evidence for evolution - but why is this subject on this forum?

 

[Jayman]

Cheri,

We must brainwash the young before evolutionist get to them. LOL Just kidding. :7

 

[Bugsy Siegel]

> As does the addition of tiny legs & feet to the Christian
>fish symbol, to denote the scientific evidence for evolution
>- but why is this subject on this forum?


Hobo seems to be waging a "I'm born again, so shalt thou be!" campaign. He's got a couple of religious threads going now.

I responded to the last one with a "Don't push your religion on me" tag, I guess I could do it again here, or just ignore the idiocy of someone who thinks because they are religious, that everyone is, or that everyone is Christian.

 

[Jayman]

"or just ignore the idiocy of someone who thinks because they are religious, that everyone is, or that everyone is Christian."

Idiocy...hmm. Not a real good choice of words if you sincerely want to influence somebody. That just offends.

Seems there is a lot of opinions pushed on people these days. Xmas is a good one we have been talking about. Just because you dont like to hear Christmas dont mean we cant say it. But, on the other hand you are correct. You dont have to adopt somebody elses way of life either.

 

[greg334]

I had a long thought whether I should post something or not, so I guess everyone gets bugged by one thing or another and I will post anyway.

No one here should take this personal, it is not meant to be personal but so what if someone says writes or expresses their beliefs. It does not hurt you to see it or hear it. No one here is saying you must join them in Prayer or send money to their church; they are expressing something in the post that shows what they are concerned about. My God what triggered this was a religious holiday anyway, a holiday that is as religious as is Martin Luther King Day, so why is everyone offended by the words?

I have had to endure the devout “Christian†person who tells me in no uncertain terms that I have to do this or that or I will go to h*ll. Join ‘their’ church because it is the only true church. I have had to deal with people who read the Bible and think that they know everything about it but still have no clue.

I started to collect Bibles and other religious books a long time ago and learned how to read them. I am not very good at it as I used to be but I can still see the differences in every one of them and know that some people are just plain blind to reality. I hold a lot of these people in contempt simply because they don’t get that you must practice what you are preaching first with yourself and family and then maybe you can start going out in the world and open up dialogs with strangers.

I am catholic not in good standing; I am offended by a lot of things by the very nature of the religion. I am especially offended dealing with a society that has instilled this idea that we must put others before ourselves and ignore our rights over the possibility of offending someone. We are talking about offending, not preventing them from doing anything – big difference.

 

[HoboOfTheHwy]

I'm sorry I upset everyone and posted this sign thing.Obviously I must ask someone before I post things here.Wow, what a bunch of cry babies !


Support our military members and their families,this Holiday season,and always !
They are defending our freedom !
The Only Easy Day,Was Yesterday- U.S. Navy Seals

 

[HoboOfTheHwy]

RE: I saw a neat sign

Good luck,y'all ! I'm not going to come back here anymore.I can't believe a bunch of adults get so upset about a post like this.Yes, maybe it was in the wrong spot.Is everyone on here,always right? I'm guessing so.Take care,see ya !Sorry I ##### you off !I wasn't pushing religion ! But....if you do happen someday to read the good book,it says to spread the good word ! You can take that to the bank.:'(

 

[Jayman]

RE: I saw a neat sign

I wouldnt go anywhere. If somebody didnt like my post or something I would rationally and maturely discuss it with them. But, if they was rude and made negative references about something I said or did...I wouldnt worry about it.

 

[greg334]

RE: I saw a neat sign

Hobo,
If you took my post wrong, it was in support of you.

I would think of it this way, if you create a thread where everyone reacts, than you get you point across and in this case I think you have and there is nothing wrong with that.

In any case the sign you talked about says it all, the season for toleration, not being .....

 

[letzrockexpress]

RE: I saw a neat sign

As far as I know this a public forum where individuals can voice their individual opinions. Is this no longer correct? If someone feels like they would like to share a message that may be based in some kind of religious belief,whether Christian, Muslim, Seik,Budhist,Bahai',or what ever, what is wrong with that? A forum is defined as common place to share ideas....I don't see how one individual is pushing a view here. Ideas are just that: ideas. Take what you need and leave the rest.

 

[Jayman]

RE: I saw a neat sign

letzrock,

You are correct. Before I say this...I will preface it with the fact that this is aimed at myself as well. When one talks in an arena such as this one, at work, or in a bar...its hard to talk about certain topics without somebody getting mad.

I have found myself feeling challenged or disrespected in certain conversations in places like the ones mentioned. People, including myself need to take a step back before they type or say something when talking about those sensitive topics.

I enjoy having meaningfull dialog on tough topics. But, those topics require more patience and understandingness on everyones part. Which, can be hard for most people at times.

That is the thing that needs to be remembered, I believe. Express your views. Some will agree some will disagree. The posts may go back and forth between people. But, lets try not to get mad about it.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Bugsy Siegel]

RE: I saw a neat sign

This is from the guy who claims to be a christian.

He goes from one point to another all while managing to put me down.

And this hipocrasy is exactly WHY I don't do religion.

Look at how many people have been murdered in the name of religion, the christian crusades, the taliban's insane rule, al-quada (sp?) and their jihad.

Now look at how many people have been killed by a practicing athiest for their point of view. What's that? Can't think of any? That's because there are none. And if you do know of one nutjob who kills *and* is an athiest, that doesn't mean he or she killed for their view of religion (or more aptly, lack of religion.)

My point was, this guy started another thread about how the "christ" in christmas was replaced by an X and he was offended. Turns out he was just misinformed since more scholarly people than I showed him how the X came about from Greek abbreviations of christmas.

But for him to attack me on a personal level because I countered his meandering...

Well, that's just not christian of him, now is it?

 

[Jayman]

RE: I saw a neat sign

If he indeed wrote that...I would have to agree with you. To swear and attack somebody like that.. then talk about Jesus and God...

On another note, you made the statement that the reason you dont do religion is people like that. The reason people do religion is to have a relationship with God. That is the most important thing. I know people can discourage you, but people shouldnt keep you away from something so important if you choose to believe in that lifestyle. Not sure about you, but I love football. I get grief all the time about my Colts. "They will never win the Superbowl". "Peyton will never get a ring". etc But, that doesnt keep me from cheering them on and hoping the best for my team. Morale of the story...if you want something bad enough, people wont get in your road.

 

[greg334]

RE: I saw a neat sign

Not to be disrespectful by any means but you said; "Now look at how many people have been killed by a practicing athiest for their point of view. What's that? Can't think of any? That's because there are none. And if you do know of one nutjob who kills *and* is an athiest, that doesn't mean he or she killed for their view of religion (or more aptly, lack of religion.)"

Well I see you point but I feel athiesm is also part of a few political ideologies; Communism to name one that is also treated like a religion. So with that in mind I will name a few people that I can think of that killed for thier religion.

(not ranked in importance)
Lenin
Stalin
Ernesto Guevara
Castro
and so on....

 

[Bugsy Siegel]

RE: I saw a neat sign

>Well I see you point but I feel athiesm is also part of a
>few political ideologies; Communism to name one that is also
>treated like a religion. So with that in mind I will name a
>few people that I can think of that killed for thier
>religion.
>
>(not ranked in importance)
>Lenin
>Stalin
>Ernesto Guevara
>Castro
>and so on....


Would that mean that saying communism=athiesm would be to say democracy=christianity?

This is turning into a great thread!!! It was worth a little flack in the background for some intelligent debate!!!

Thanks to all who are making logical arguments here!


BTW, I feel your pain about rooting for the colts, I'm a Browns fan... nuf said.

 

[greg334]

RE: I saw a neat sign

Would that mean that saying communism=athiesm would be to say democracy=christianity?

Well not exactly - even though the country was based (see I said was) on Christian values at the time.

 

[Bugsy Siegel]

RE: I saw a neat sign

>Well not exactly - even though the country was based (see I
>said was) on Christian values at the time.

Humbug!!!



May be true, but what flavor of Christian??? That's something else entirely that I seriously don't get, how can there be so many "versions" of christianity??? But that's another topic.

So then, if our country was founded based upon christian values, and we are at war with another country whose country is founded on islamic values, could this be considered a "holy war being waged **by** the US?"

And then, isn't a war based on religion completely the oppisite of what the founding fathers, who wanted 'freedom of religion' in the first place, against our constitution?

 

[Dreamer]

RE: I saw a neat sign

Hey Guys,

I moved these threads over to the Loading Dock, to be in the proper forum for this type of discussion.

I'm leaving the thread open in hopes of two way discussion, but please keep it civil, and leave the personal insults out.

Thanks,

Dreamer
Forums Administrator


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