I believe 82 hours is too much

cubansammich · Jul 4, 2013

I don't understand what all the fuss is about. It is a crying shame that the dot had to step in and stop all you renegade cowboys. If you would have just put safety first above the almighty dollar then these sensible rules never would have become law. Thank goodness I drive an unmarked van.

Turtle · Jul 4, 2013

cubansammich said:
I don't understand what all the fuss is about. It is a crying shame that the dot had to step in and stop all you renegade cowboys. If you would have just put safety first above the almighty dollar then these sensible rules never would have become law. Thank goodness I drive an unmarked van.

You should have stopped after the first sentence.

beachbum · Jul 4, 2013

Turtle said:
You should have stopped after the first sentence.

When we had the 10/8 rule when you got to 70 to quick during the week you had to shut down for up to 3 days to get hours back. Therefore, old rules had us close to a 70 hour work week if you ran just one log book.

The 34 hour restart from the last set of rules made it so you could work up to 82 hours a week, not good for anyone. Now were back to a 70 hour work week, what's wrong with that.

Plus you don't even have to use the 34 its an option we have.

moose · Jul 4, 2013

if we limit the amount of driving one driver can drive, we will simply need more drivers to move the same freight.
The FMCSA have a tough job. walking a fine line between limiting how long a trucker can drive and the significate effects on our economy and safety if we use more trucks to move same freight.
the DOT own study's from back in 2007 show that only 1.4% {for reportable} to 1.7% {for fetal} of all CMV accidents are fatigue related.
i once asked ATRI to conduct another study to reflect the effects of the rules stated by Beachbum, as i suspect it will show that the restart did well for safety. but we do not really know.
@ any case the HOS are over 80 years old. readers of EO are not to blame.
this is the third change of HOS in less then a decade, which prove once more that readers of EO are not to blame. self-interest groups and over regulating Gov. interventions are to blame.

moose · Jul 4, 2013

Turtle said:
You should have stopped after the first sentence.

Na'Aah...he made a good point with the last one...we are all grateful.

8secondbull · Jul 5, 2013

cubansammich said:
I don't understand

I Agree.

layoutshooter · Jul 6, 2013

Explain the NEED for the 1AM to 5AM rule and how it relates to safety. I can't think of how that makes things safer. Also, while we never did it, how would 82 hours in a work week be dangerous ASSUMING you just sat, resting, for 34 hours straight? How much more rested do you need to be?

OntarioVanMan · Jul 6, 2013

layoutshooter said:
Explain the NEED for the 1AM to 5AM rule and how it relates to safety. I can't think of how that makes things safer. Also, while we never did it, how would 82 hours in a work week be dangerous ASSUMING you just sat, resting, for 34 hours straight? How much more rested do you need to be?

We've all agreed expediting is a small, very small niche in trucking....there are many OTR drivers out there that would drive every hour of that 82 to make money...at .35 a mile.
I wish drivers could make a better wage and NOT have to drive 82 hours a week...and some will do it out of greed, some neccessity....in a heavy regulated industry...some just don't like being told what to do. period...has nothing to do with the rules, just the fact there are rules.
The 1-5 requirement is silly...the goal is easy to see...turn everyone into a 9-5er...

Turtle · Jul 6, 2013

I think the 1-5 requirement is dangerous. It forces drivers who usually drive at night to once a week flip their circadian rhythms during the restart. When that happens, it takes nearly another week to get back in sync, all the while you're fatigued. Once you get back in sync, it's Flipper Time again.

I feel sorry for someone who goes OOS at 1:05AM for their restart. Now it's 51 hours instead of 34.

layoutshooter · Jul 6, 2013

OntarioVanMan said:
We've all agreed expediting is a small, very small niche in trucking....there are many OTR drivers out there that would drive every hour of that 82 to make money...at .35 a mile.
I wish drivers could make a better wage and NOT have to drive 82 hours a week...and some will do it out of greed, some neccessity....in a heavy regulated industry...some just don't like being told what to do. period...has nothing to do with the rules, just the fact there are rules.
The 1-5 requirement is silly...the goal is easy to see...turn everyone into a 9-5er...

That did not answer the question. ASSUMING a driver just sat for 34 or more hours straight, the driver would be as rested as could be, how would that make it dangerous to do 82? Rest is rest.

Forcing the 9-5 thing increases congestion on the road and makes it more dangerous for everyone out there. As stated before, these new rules are NOT about safety.

paullud · Jul 6, 2013

Turtle said:
I think the 1-5 requirement is dangerous. It forces drivers who usually drive at night to once a week flip their circadian rhythms during the restart. When that happens, it takes nearly another week to get back in sync, all the while you're fatigued. Once you get back in sync, it's Flipper Time again.

I feel sorry for someone who goes OOS at 1:05AM for their restart. Now it's 51 hours instead of 34.

That is an issue that they fail to see or understand. The biggest issue with fatigue in the general trucking industry is Monday you run 8AM-8PM then Tuesday you run 6PM to 6AM Wednesday.

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layoutshooter · Jul 6, 2013

paullud said:
That is an issue that they fail to see or understand. The biggest issue with fatigue in the general trucking industry is Monday you run 8AM-8PM then Tuesday you run 6PM to 6AM Wednesday.

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This is what happens when those in charge have zero experience in the area they are regulating. What we need is a regulation that requires ALL FMSCA regulators to have spent a minimum of 5 years DRIVING a truck, a year in dispatch, a year on the loading etc. Then and ONLY then will regulations begin to make sense. That is assuming we can keep the politics and bribery out of it.

guido4475 · Jul 6, 2013

OntarioVanMan said:
We've all agreed expediting is a small, very small niche in trucking....there are many OTR drivers out there that would drive every hour of that 82 to make money...at .35 a mile.
I wish drivers could make a better wage and NOT have to drive 82 hours a week...and some will do it out of greed, some neccessity....in a heavy regulated industry...some just don't like being told what to do. period...has nothing to do with the rules, just the fact there are rules.
The 1-5 requirement is silly...the goal is easy to see...turn everyone into a 9-5er...

And add to the congestion during peak travel times as well. More backups...taking away from the drivers productivity.

guido4475 · Jul 6, 2013

layoutshooter said:
This is what happens when those in charge have zero experience in the area they are regulating. What we need is a regulation that requires ALL FMSCA regulators to have spent a minimum of 5 years DRIVING a truck, a year in dispatch, a year on the loading etc. Then and ONLY then will regulations begin to make sense. That is assuming we can keep the politics and bribery out of it.

So very true....I never understood what business anyone had regulating an industry that they have never been in.