Ghosts of Detroit

paullud

Veteran Expediter
We should keep the memory of what happened to Detroit alive as a reminder of putting all your eggs in one basket and the policies that failed and brought the city down further.

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skyraider

Veteran Expediter
US Navy
I onced talked to an expediter cv guy , 2 years ago, he talked about never leaving Michigan he was so busy doing deliveries, well that was his story. It is a ghost town in places, similar to Gary ,Indiana. Looks like a good place for Facing the Giants movie theme.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Wipe it clean, turn it back into marsh. It would have value then. There is NO excuse for this to have happened. Proof that the 'freebie world' does not work. Detroit is a festering sore that is infecting the rest of the State.
 

AMonger

Veteran Expediter
Detroit is the perfect demonstration of Margaret Thatcher's quotation, "Socialism is great, until you run out of other people's money." Well, the Other People are out of money, and the party's over.

Entitlements and unions, they killed Detroit.
 

EnglishLady

Veteran Expediter
Detroit is the perfect demonstration of Margaret Thatcher's quotation, "Socialism is great, until you run out of other people's money." Well, the Other People are out of money, and the party's over.

Entitlements and unions, they killed Detroit.

Wipe it clean, turn it back into marsh. It would have value then. There is NO excuse for this to have happened. Proof that the 'freebie world' does not work. Detroit is a festering sore that is infecting the rest of the State.

I onced talked to an expediter cv guy , 2 years ago, he talked about never leaving Michigan he was so busy doing deliveries, well that was his story. It is a ghost town in places, similar to Gary ,Indiana. Looks like a good place for Facing the Giants movie theme.


But would you, if you had the power, preserve anything of Detroit? or as Layout says "wipe it clean and turn it back into marsh"


Preserve history?

Preserve a marker for future generations as a warning?

Sweep it all away and forget it happened?
 

Ragman

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
But would you, if you had the power, preserve anything of Detroit? or as Layout says "wipe it clean and turn it back into marsh"


Preserve history?

Preserve a marker for future generations as a warning?

Sweep it all away and forget it happened?

Sad to say, those of us that grew up in Detroit want to forget what has happened to this once great city.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
But would you, if you had the power, preserve anything of Detroit? or as Layout says "wipe it clean and turn it back into marsh"


Preserve history?

Preserve a marker for future generations as a warning?

Sweep it all away and forget it happened?

No one studies or learns from history. No point in preserving anything. Disease needs to be wiped out, before it infects others.
 

pearlpro

Expert Expediter
Ive travelled thru Detroit and yes its once Mighty manufacturing base has been decimated, as other towns such as Gary IN, Pittsburg PA, Birmingham AL etc etc...I think some of these old rusting hulks could be used for many things besides just letting the steel rust away, preserve the rusting hulks NO, but there should be record and some history of how the USA was once the Worlds Manufacturing superpower until the GREED infection of NAFTA.....Basically bringing a SuperCity, and Country down to near ruins....bulldoze and recycle the factory plots and yes let them go back to grasslands and marsh, But the earth below is probably contaminated with extreme amounts of Heavy metals, etc, as back in the 20s thru the 70s these factorys dumped anything they wanted in pits and covered it over, or its in barrels in some back corner of one of the rusting hulks abandoned until someone wants to use the facility to find its filled with asbestos, PCBs and God Knows.....near my hometown in St Louis off Route 3 sits a huge rusting hulk of a plant with a gigantic pile, millions and millions of tons of Arsenic and Metals, the most corrosive pile of contaminants owned by a now defunct Billionaire who fled the country after running this plant for years, and pumping the runoff and residues straight into the Mississippi River before he was caught, now declared by the EPA as one of Americas top 5 most contaminated sites, a superfund site....as he sits in the Baltics in his castle with billions, we are left to watch as this pile of crap sits and contaminates even more as the case goes thru bankruptcy and BS BS BS.....GREED ....should be the statue to preserve whats happened in Detroit and many other citys.

Its sad to think of the Generations of familys that lived here, but its not just Detroit, its really America, I hope somehow we can save this country.
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Detroit is the perfect demonstration of Margaret Thatcher's quotation, "Socialism is great, until you run out of other people's money." Well, the Other People are out of money, and the party's over.

Entitlements and unions, they killed Detroit.

Really? I'd say it was more like competition from the Japanese, who were wise [ok, it was more their culture of treating guests politely] enough to pay attention to W Edward Deming's ideas. The ones he took to the "Big 3' first, and got laughed out of each exec's office for his trouble - they actually told him to "take it to Japan, because they need help - we don't."
Remember when 'made in Japan' was synonymous with cheap, disposable, not worth fixing? Deming promised to turn that around in 3 years, and did it in two.
Toyota and Honda became what the 'Big 3' had a chance to be, and the only entitlement that blew it for Detroit was the CEOs who believed they would always have a 'captive audience' for their product, so why change anything?
It is really tragic that Detroit has become what it is, but blaming the unions is just ignorance, because they didn't make the decisions that doomed automotive manufacturing as it existed when the 'Big 3' ran the show.
As for learning from history, the CEOs flying to DC in private jets to ask for a handout says they still hadn't learned a thing about hubris.
In today's world, it'll take a miracle to restore Detroit, and that makes me mad, cause I used to love visiting there, and it's just GONE.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Detroit is the perfect demonstration of Margaret Thatcher's quotation, "Socialism is great, until you run out of other people's money." Well, the Other People are out of money, and the party's over.

Entitlements and unions, they killed Detroit.

Really? I'd say it was more like competition from the Japanese, who were wise [ok, it was more their culture of treating guests politely] enough to pay attention to W Edward Deming's ideas. The ones he took to the "Big 3' first, and got laughed out of each exec's office for his trouble - they actually told him to "take it to Japan, because they need help - we don't."
Remember when 'made in Japan' was synonymous with cheap, disposable, not worth fixing? Deming promised to turn that around in 3 years, and did it in two.
Toyota and Honda became what the 'Big 3' had a chance to be, and the only entitlement that blew it for Detroit was the CEOs who believed they would always have a 'captive audience' for their product, so why change anything?
It is really tragic that Detroit has become what it is, but blaming the unions is just ignorance, because they didn't make the decisions that doomed automotive manufacturing as it existed when the 'Big 3' ran the show.
As for learning from history, the CEOs flying to DC in private jets to ask for a handout says they still hadn't learned a thing about hubris.
In today's world, it'll take a miracle to restore Detroit, and that makes me mad, cause I used to love visiting there, and it's just GONE.

I was born in Detroit and grew up in the area. I WATCHED it happen. Yes, competition had it's effect. It was the companies AND the unions that brought down the auto companies. Competition SHOULD bring out the BEST in a company.

I worked in an auto plant for a short while, what an education to say the least.

I saw union workers destroy company property. One guy used to put pop bottles into car doors prior to the finish pieces being put on. Another used to 'cave in' the roof of every tenth car that came down the line. He was a teacher who worked there when off for the summer. Yet another like to put a handful of nuts into the gas tanks of cars.

I saw a company that could care less. On my first day was to be trained by a union guy. He was drunk and went off to sleep. I had NO idea in the world as to what to do, SO, I did nothing. Watch the cars go by, not getting the part needed at that station. After 3 hours a 'foreman' came by. I explained the situation. His solution? Just put anything in for now. By the way, the drunk union man was not fired, the union protected him. REAL smart, eh?

As to the hand outs, you need to spend some time down there, as I have, working trying to rehab the city. It is a total waste of time. It is a fact that ten's of thousands, or more, people are more than willing to sit back and be cared for. All races, colors, religions and education levels. They are just butt ugly lazy.

Those who prey on them, drug dealers, 'community leaders and organizers', will goes as far as to kill to stop any improvement of their lives, it would hurt their drug sales.

Nothing will change until those who live there decide to earn their way. Until then, the cesspool will continue to expand. The system is designed to enslave and demean. It works. Detroit is the shinning example of what will be the end result of the 'Nanny State'.
 
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