Enlighten me...

[copdsux]

As most of you know, I have Emphysema, a progressive lung disease, that will eventually result in my death.

From what I am reading here, and seeing from the anti-health care reform folks, is that at some point in the not to distant future, my Pulmonologist will be "forced" to discontinue my treatment, and let nature take it's course.

Now, convince me that this is true, and I will join you. If I'm not convinced, I'll share with you what the Pulmo AND my Primary Care doctor shared with me.

Mike

 

[layoutshooter]

I do NOT know exactly what will happen in the US. I know what my fears are. I DO know what was going on in England when I lived there. I had a friend there with the same disease, a WWII vet. They sorta treated it. The treatment consisted of an O2 tank, nasel canula and an inhaler. He was limited to how many inhalers he could use per month. That was it. As his health declined they cut back on the numbers of inhalers. They just kept him comfortable. Nothing more.

My fear is that as it seems that we are headed down the path to a British style national health system and we always seem to do what ever we do to a greater degree than most other countries that we will take this to the extreme.

I do not believe that it will happen overnight. I do believe that as things progress that we will move closer and closer to just "getting rid" of many like yourself.

I do NOT trust government, as I have said many times before. They are ONLY out for their own benefit and power. Governments thoughout history has been that way and MOST turn to evil as they obtain more power. They do this because that is the ONLY way to hold on to that power.

If I were in your position, I would NOT trust what the government says. YOU might be ok but what about your kids and grandkids? The march towards oppression is slow but steady, much like slow moving lava.

 

[chefdennis]

No one knows how this will all washout, but the way the BILLS (their are more then one being kicked around) are written the general understanding is that healthcare will be rationed and our doctors will NOT be the ones you get to make those decisions, they will be made by government controled panels or boards....thats is one of the reasons they want "total computerized medical records" for all that will be available to the government..so that a Board of Cost Effectiveness and the Medical Advisory Board, boards that answer to barrys med advisors and health czar (google ezekiel Emanuel and peter orszag then add in tom daschel to the advisory mix) all of which have stated over the yrs that we cannot afford to keep ill eldery on expensive means to keep them alive...even barry said that maybe a cancer victim might at some point take pain pills instead of meds to even rein in the cancer....and he also said that a person fitness of spirit of mind and desire to fight should not be considered it treatment.....

So what you will have is people that have only read your med history making those decisions, not your doctor who knows you well...now some say that the insurance companies make those decisions now, and to a certain degree they do, but not to the degree that we will have with the government because the dr is taken out of the picture...and even with that...i don't want the government telling me that my mom has lived long enough and needs to live with whatever ailment she has as long as she can...

As to your particular ailment, whatever treatment you get at this time is between you and your dr and your healthcare provider (which you have the decision of who that provider is) make those decisions as it should be...not a government panel..

Another thing you might look into is a german plan called T4....and don't think it can't happen here...it is what barry modeled his plan after......

Now all of that said, no one can convince you to believe anything you don't want to...especially when you have such an imtimate involvement as you do... i can totally understand that you want to believe the best case as presented to you by someone that is in a position of power and also from your doctor who you trust.... but ask yourself why it took a payoff for mal-practice cases from the gov to get the AMA to side with barry, and why d0octors are leaving the AMA over their taking a positive stance on this plan way are doctors talking about leaving the profession and why are they questioning their elected reps and NOT getting answers...

As i said, no one knows what will be in the final bill, but i for one do not want to givernment taking control of my medical history and or medical care....and for the record, i fired my doctor 3 yrs ago because we just didn't agree on ONE issue...and i don't have a doctor now.. so this is not about my personal issues for me...its about the government taking more and more control over the people....once the gov controls your healthcare, you open the door for then to tell you what to eat, you weight too much and we are covering you, your past smoking is the cause of your lung cancer, no coverage because of your personal choice.... you think it can't happen, maybe not, but i don't trust our govrnment one bit, no matter who is in office...but the socialist marxist we have in the wh now...i trust the least.....other then that..you have to decide for yourself, nothing anyine here tells you is going to change your mind and it shouldn't.....

Also check into jeffery immelt and GE and see the connection with the WH and also look at a GE group "healthymagination" ...also look into an article by Andrew Wilkow on that same connection and as the old saying goes...follow the money.....oh and when tom daschle was bounced as barrys choice for an appointment to control the healthcare issue (he wrote a book on the getting rid of the sick eldery because they aren't productive or worth the investment of medical dollars) he ended up at GE as an advisor on how to control medical cost....GE will run the computer systems for the governments Medical Records system that barry wants...

Oh and one more thing....even of this bill in whatever form passes, it will be a few yrs to get up to speed, so you dr and you will still get to make the decisions on your care...

Finally, no one is saying that the healthcare system doesn't need some fix, the fix is just not socilaized or nationalized healthcare....most of "Americans" (citizens of the United States ) don't want this, over 50% are happy with there insurance, what barry wants to do will benefit about 12-15% of the populace...deal with them, there is no need to turn the complete system over to the government to fix what will only benefit a few.....

Just my opinions, and we all know what they are like..........

 

[greg334]

Here how I can convince you....

England has a similar health care system that is being proposed. The BS about the exchange and all of that will quickly change once they get their greasy hands on the system.

England have finite amount of Pounds to work within the system. It has made some cuts, it has done a lot of work on the accounting end of things to ensure that some get the best care but everyone get something. It is like the bureaucracy in the movie Brazil.

The bean counters have come up with formulas for each and every treatment and procedure that essentially takes in account the age of the patient, employment status, family status, hereditary status and a few other factors which they build these huge databases with all this data and produce these pretty charts with all kinds of conditions and situations. When a patient enters the system, the patient's factors are plugged into the system and then a determination is made on how much treatment, when and in some cases even where it takes place.

So in your situation, say you are 65, your regular life expectancy is 76 in the UK, which leaves you 11 years left if you were healthy. They first look at if you will be able to produce any revenue in the form of taxes for that remaining 11 years of life you may have had and then they look at the life style (lorry driver) and then the habits (Likes two pints instead of one) and determine that you may receive 6 months worth the treatment of a lower costing treatment that may not do a thing to help you but that is how the system works. There is no appeals, there is no second chances, that is it - what they give you is what they give you.

My source for that information is a book on insurance in the UK published by the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (NICE) in the UK. I still get a lot of stuff in the mail for the work I used to do, so it was an interesting read.

By the way the system I described is the intake system, not the actual medical insurance part, that is even more restrictive. The NICE also has been using a lottery system based on Post Codes in Ireland and England that help determine who gets the higher cost of medical care.

Now here is the reinforcement - I don't know if it was in Oregon or Washington but there is a case where en elderly lady is on Chemo and the state refuses to pay for it. Instead they are willing to pay for the 'doctor assisted suicide' in order to help her with her pain - which costs the state $100 in medication and the cost of the doctor. This happens a lot in the Netherlands where the family is unable to take care of an elderly person, they get medical power of attorney and use the assisted suicide to rid themselves of the burden.

Did I convince you yet?

 

[Steady Eddie]

As most of you know, I have Emphysema, a progressive lung disease, that will eventually result in my death.

From what I am reading here, and seeing from the anti-health care reform folks, is that at some point in the not to distant future, my Pulmonologist will be "forced" to discontinue my treatment, and let nature take it's course.

Now, convince me that this is true, and I will join you. If I'm not convinced, I'll share with you what the Pulmo AND my Primary Care doctor shared with me.

Mike

Mike, Your kidding me aren’t you? If you have read the post on the health care reform act, you should already be enlightened. My Dad has Emphysema, as well, and he is 88 years old and still doing ok. You will not change your mind about it no mater what is said here, or you wouldn’t have requested to be “enlightened”. You said, “I'll share with you what the Pulmo AND my Primary Care doctor shared with me.”

Share this with us now. Enlighten us. We all have read and view reports about other counties that have this failed attempt at Socialize heath care, what more can be said about it?

 

[Steady Eddie]

Here how I can convince you....

England has a similar health care system that is being proposed. The BS about the exchange and all of that will quickly change once they get their greasy hands on the system.

England have finite amount of Pounds to work within the system. It has made some cuts, it has done a lot of work on the accounting end of things to ensure that some get the best care but everyone get something. It is like the bureaucracy in the movie Brazil.

The bean counters have come up with formulas for each and every treatment and procedure that essentially takes in account the age of the patient, employment status, family status, hereditary status and a few other factors which they build these huge databases with all this data and produce these pretty charts with all kinds of conditions and situations. When a patient enters the system, the patient's factors are plugged into the system and then a determination is made on how much treatment, when and in some cases even where it takes place.

So in your situation, say you are 65, your regular life expectancy is 76 in the UK, which leaves you 11 years left if you were healthy. They first look at if you will be able to produce any revenue in the form of taxes for that remaining 11 years of life you may have had and then they look at the life style (lorry driver) and then the habits (Likes two pints instead of one) and determine that you may receive 6 months worth the treatment of a lower costing treatment that may not do a thing to help you but that is how the system works. There is no appeals, there is no second chances, that is it - what they give you is what they give you.

My source for that information is a book on insurance in the UK published by the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (NICE) in the UK. I still get a lot of stuff in the mail for the work I used to do, so it was an interesting read.

By the way the system I described is the intake system, not the actual medical insurance part, that is even more restrictive. The NICE also has been using a lottery system based on Post Codes in Ireland and England that help determine who gets the higher cost of medical care.

Now here is the reinforcement - I don't know if it was in Oregon or Washington but there is a case where en elderly lady is on Chemo and the state refuses to pay for it. Instead they are willing to pay for the 'doctor assisted suicide' in order to help her with her pain - which costs the state $100 in medication and the cost of the doctor. This happens a lot in the Netherlands where the family is unable to take care of an elderly person, they get medical power of attorney and use the assisted suicide to rid themselves of the burden.

Did I convince you yet?

In old time Alaska, the Eskimo’s use to leave their old folks on the ice, so the polar bears wouldn’t starve.

 

[chefdennis]

I stayed away from Freights comment that he would tell us what his dr said and simply replied with what i understand.

Now that said, i believe and did as soon as i read it that he is doing nothing but 'baiting' those that have opposing opinions...and that cool too...i do it all the time....

So yea Eddie , you are right, nothing said here as i said is going to convince him, and if e really wanted the info to make an informed decsicion, this shouldn't be where he needs to look for opinions....lol but again, he is just.... baiting.... LOL

 

[Steady Eddie]

I stayed away from Freights comment that he would tell us what his dr said and simply replied with what i understand.

Now that said, i believe and did as soon as i read it that he is doing nothing but 'baiting' those that have opposing opinions...and that cool too...i do it all the time....

So yea Eddie , you are right, nothing said here as i said is going to convince him, and if e really wanted the info to make an informed decsicion, this shouldn't be where he needs to look for opinions....lol but again, he is just.... baiting.... LOL

Baiting? Really? Nah,.... well maybe a little...lol

 

[copdsux]

No, not baiting. That didn't occur to me. I felt that, maybe, you guys might know of some actual inclusions in the bill that would address end of life issues. I already have a living will, my wife has my health care power of attorney, my advanced care directives are in place, so legally, I'm ready.

There is just so much conjecture about what the final bill might be, that it's hard to determine what is true.

For example, I would look forward to a conversation, with my doctor, about end of life issues. Not something to be feared, but merely educational.

 

[layoutshooter]

Greg has great sources referenced in here. I LIVED on that English system for 5 years. I saw what the taxes are REALLY like to pay for it and the result of those taxes. Can it happen here? You bet. Differnet result? Not likely.

 

[chefdennis]

ok you say you aren't baiting. ok ill take you at that and apologies for my infering such...now you said:

Now, convince me that this is true, and I will join you. If I'm not convinced, I'll share with you what the Pulmo AND my Primary Care doctor shared with me.

That infers your dr shared something different with you then what is bring posted all over the web and here...

Then you added in your last post:

For example, I would look forward to a conversation, with my doctor, about end of life issues. Not something to be feared, but merely educational.

Now i m not saying that your 1st statement that you have something to share from your dr included "end if life issues", as you have now indicated you 'WOULD LOOK FORWARD", as if you haven't had that conversation yet....

So if you have had a converstaion as you said that you would share that didn't inclued that issue, what do you have to share? as Eddie said..."enlighten us!".....

one on my wives pet peeves about me is as she puts it, "its not what you say, its how you say it"...so in the same way..on internet posts its not what you say, but the words you use to get your point across....the use of "enlighten" can be taken in a confrontational way...and if that is what you are after thats fine..as i said, i post alot of times to bait others for their opinions.....

 

[dieseldiva]

From an earlier discussion.......


Peter Fleckentein summarizes:

PG 22 MANDATES the Government will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!

PG 24 Line 116 Government effectively sets prices for ALL private health plans.

PG 30 Line 123 THERE WILL BE A Government COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.

PG 37 Line 132 The Government will be reviewing grievances about themselves and will decide on appeals for rejected claims.

PG 29 Line 4-16 YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!! Additionally you can reference PG 15 Line 19-25.

PG 42 The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HealthCare Benefits for you. You have no choice!

PG 50 Line 152 HealthCare will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise.

PG 58 Government will have real-time access to individuals’ finances & a National ID HealthCare Card will be issued!

PG 59 Line 21-24 Government will have direct access to your banks accounts for electronic funds transfer!

PG 61 Line 22-24 Congress has no clue what Electronic Medical Records will cost. Asks for estimate.

PG 62 Protection of Data, Government shows they will have database of your personal & financial info.

OK peeps a big one – PG 64 Line 21-25, pg65 Line 1-5 which refers to processing payment transactions by financial institutions

PG 65 Line 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community organizations (ACORN).

PG 72 Line 8-14 Government is creating an HealthCare Exchange to bring private HealthCare plans under Government control.

PG 84 Line 203 Government mandates ALL benefit packages for private. HealthCare plans in the Exchange.

PG 85 Line 7 Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Government will ration your HealthCare! #AARP members – your Health care Will be rationed.

PG 89 Line 6-10 The FAR is not applicable. Government can write contracts any way they want.

PG 95 Line 8-18 The Government will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Government HealthCare plan.

PG 98 Line 8 Americans - You will be paying for others HealthCare while paying for your own.

PG 100 Line 15-19 The Government Will be using ACORN and other community groups to promote & enroll.

PG 102 Line 12-18 Medicaid Eligible Individual will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.

PG 109 Line 207 Health Trust Fund. The Government will raise taxes on EVERYONE to fund HealthCare as they see fit. Correction

PG 110 Line 7-12 Employment taxes on ALL employers NOT offering Government HealthCare. No choice.

PG 110 Line 13-18 An excise tax on ALL goods from companies not offering Government HealthCare. ALL Americans pay.

PG 110 Line 19-24 the Treasury can take $$ from Soc Line to pay HealthCare.

PG 111 Line 208 The Federal Government will usurp all State powers in State Based HealthCare Exchange. Violation of 10th Amend.

PG 119 Line 1-3 Establish geographically-adjusted premium rates for public option Can you say ACORN census?

PG 121 Line 223 PAYMENT RATES FOR ITEMS AND SERVICES. Can you say Government price fixing & monopoly?

PG 124 Line 24-25 No company can sue Government on price fixing. No “judicial review” against Government Monopoly.

PG 126 Line 10-15 The Government can make up prices for anything at anytime for any reason.

PG 126 Line 22-25 Employers MUST pay for HealthCare for part time employees AND their families.

PG 127 Line 1-16 Doctors: The Government will tell YOU what you can make.

PG 129 The public option will be subsidized. Credits = your tax dollars. Redistribution of wealth.

PG 130 Line 10-23 Federal Government will subsidize State Medicaid = Even Higher State & Federal taxes for ALL.

PG 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public option plan. NO CHOICE.

PG 149 Line 16-24 ANY Employer with payroll 400k & above who does not provide public option pays 8% tax on all payroll.

PG 150 Line 9-13 Biz with payroll btw 251k & 400k who doesn’t provide public option pays 2-6% tax on all payroll.

PG 151 Line 1-3 Aggregate Rules-tax on employers payroll not on public option include payroll of other biz.

PG 167 Line 18-23 ANY individual who doesn’t have acceptable HealthCare according to Government will be taxed 2.5% of inc.

PG 170 Line 1-3 Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay)

PG 195 Officers & employees of HealthCare Administration (Government) will have access to ALL Americans financial/personal records.

PG 198 Line 1-3 1.5% ADDITIONAL TAX on peeps who have income of 500k to 1mil. Redistribution of Wealth.

PG 198 Line 4-6 5.4% ADDITIONAL TAX on peeps who have income of $1mil+. Redistribution of Wealth

PG 199 Line 1-4 Surtax rates on raised AGAIN on Americans in 2012.

PG 201 Line 12-19 Government will ignore whatever costs they see fit to show savings. (Cooking the books)

PG 203 Line 14-15 “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax” Yes, it says that.

PG 202-215 is a Government rewrite of the tax code ensuring more taxes for EVERYONE, Everywhere.

PG 239 Line 14-24 Government will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected.

PG 241 Line 6-8 Doctors, doesn’t matter what specialty you have, you’ll all be paid the same.

PG 236 Line 22-25 PG 237 Line 1-3 National rate of uninsured defined by Census. Can you say ACORN corruption?

PG 239 Line 10-12 Medicare DSH payments will be increased. Can you say even higher taxes for all?

PG 238-249 Line 1121 Doctors-Government mandates your growth, costs, value, services, & income. Peeps- Welcome to rationing

PG 253 Line 10-18 Government sets value of Dr’s time, prof judg, etc. Literally value of humans. We’re next.

PG 260 Line 1125 Fed Government will adjust Medicare Payment Localities for California based on Census. ACORN?

PG 265 Line 1131 Government mandates & controls productivity for private HealthCare industries.

PG 268 Line 1141 Fed Government regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs.

PG 270 Line 1144 Government Mandates that all private ambulatory surgical centers submit cost data & other data

PG 272 Line 1145 TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS – Cancer patients – welcome to rationing!

PG 276 Line 3-20 Oxygen Equipment & Supply Companies - Government MANDATES you will provide supplies NO MATTER where individual is.

PG 287 Line 14-25 PROOF that Government will ration HealthCare by mandating waiting periods for readmission.

PG 298 Line 9-11 Drs, treat a patient during initial admission that results in a readmission - Government will penalize you.

PG 303 Line 12-25 Post Acute Care Services Data – Government will collect data including personal information as they see fit.

PG 304 Line 17-19 BIG ONE HERE: Expedited Data Collection – More information here

PG 304 Line 17-19 Government does NOT have to protect your private, share with anyone, & is not resp (more on expedited data collection)

PG 306 Line 3-6 The Government can expand the scope & size of Post Acute Program Services anytime & as they see fit.

PG 313 Line 9-14 Government MANDATES Health Services providers will state ownership, invest, & compensation arrangements.

PG 317 Line 13-20 PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Government tells Drs. what/how much they can own.

PG 317-318 Line 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Government is mandating hospitals cannot expand.

PG 318-319 Government is mandating how hospitals & physicians conduct business & investments. We’re next!

PG 321 2-13 Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can you say ACORN?!!

PG 328 Line 1157 Government study disguised. Its a HealthCare workforce study mandated by law for unionization.

Pg335 Line 16-25 PG 336-339 Government mandates estab. of outcome based measures. HealthCare the way they want. Rationing.

PG 341 Line 3-9 Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing peeps in to Government plan.

PG 354 Line 1177 Government will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people!

PG 355-369 Line 1181 Government disguises tax on Drug Companies as rebate to Government to subsidize Drugs. We pay in the end.

PG 379 Line 1191 Government creates more bureaucracy – Telehealth Advisory Committee. Can you say HealthCare by phone?

PG 399 If your a subsidy eligible individual under Medicare part D and you don’t enroll, the Government will auto enroll you.

PG 401 Section 1221 Americans will fund Medicare Language & Translation Services Program. Can you say MORE taxes?

PG 404 Lines 12-16 Government exempts itself again from - Chap 35 of title 44, USC including privacy of Americans.

PG 404 Lines 17-19 Government doesn’t know the cost of Language services but states that money is there.

PG 425 Lines 4-12 Government mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life.

PG 425 Lines 17-19 Government will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory!

PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Government provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death.

PG 427 Lines 15-24 Government mandates program for orders for end of life. The Government has a say in how your life ends.

PG 429 Lines 1-9 An “advance care planning consultant” will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates.

PG 429 Lines 10-12 “advance care consultation” may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from Government.

PG 429 Lines 13-25 The Government will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order. Logan’s Run anyone?

PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Government will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life.

PG 432 Lines 18-21 The Government will publish “quality measures” for individual’s end of life in Federal Register.

PG 434 Section 1234 Military Active, Reservists, Families - If you’re not enrolled in Tricare it is mandated.

PG 434 Section 1234 Military Active, Reservists, Families - Once HealthCare bill is passed your premiums will go up.

PG 438 Section 1236 The Government will develop a patient decision making aid program that you & Dr. WILL use.

PG 443 Lines 7-24 Government at taxpayers expense test out an “Accountable Care Org” program (Government doesn’t have plan.)

PG 444 Lines 1-6 Government’s Accountable Care Program will mandate services & infrastructure thru reward/penalty system.

PG 448 Lines 4-17 Government will set performance targets for ALL Accountable Care Organizations including private.

PG 455 Lines 3-4 Government exempts itself from Chapter 35, Title 44 Paperwork Reduction & Citizens Privacy Protection Act

PG 460 Section 1302 Knock, Knock - It’s the Government and I’m here with the Medical Home Program - YOUR home.

PG 460 Section 1302 The Government WILL provide medical services in your home. Paging Nurse Pelosi!!

PG 464 Lines 17-22 Independent Patient Center Home Medical Services - Drs. don’t have to be at your home just some directed by D

PG 469 Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit organizations. Hello, ACORN Medical Services here!!?

Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED Organization - 1 monthly payment to a community-based organization Like ACORN?

PG 476 19-20 Chapter 35/ title 44, (Privacy of personal records) shall not apply Home Medical Services. ACORN ACCESS

PG 489 Section 1308 The Government will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Government into your marriage.

PG 494-498 Government will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, rationing those services.

PG 502 Section 1181 Center for Comparative Effectiveness Research Established. - Hello Big Brother - Literally.

PG 502 Line 5-18 Government builds the “Center” to conduct, support, & synthesize research to define our HealthCare Services.

PG 503 Line 13-19 Government will build registries and data networks from YOUR electronic medical records.

PG 503 Line 21-25 Government may secure data directly from any department or agency of the US including your data.

PG 504 Line 6-10 The “Center” will collect data both published & unpublished (that means public & your private info)

PG 506 Line 19-21 The Center will recommend policies that would allow for public access of data

PG 518 Line 21-25 The Commission will have input from HealthCare consumer reps - Can you say unions & ACORN?

PG 524 18-22 Comparative Effectiveness Research Trust Fund set up. More taxes for ALL.

PG 525-620 deals with the Government basically taking over nursing homes, ... Read More here

PG 620 Line 1-9 The Government will define, prioritize, and nationalize your Health Care Services.

PG 621 Lines 20-25 Government will define what Quality means in HealthCare. Since when does Government know about quality?

PG 622 Lines 2-9 To pay for the quality Standards Government will transfer $$ from to other Government Trust Funds. More Taxes.

PG 624 “Quality” measures shall be designed to assess outcomes & functional status of patients.

PG 628 Section 1443 Government will give “Multi-Stake Holders” Pre-Rule Making input into Selection of “Quality” Measures.

PG 630 9-24/631 1-9 Those Multi-stake holder groups including Unions & groups like ACORN deciding HealthCare quality.

PG 632 Lines 14-25 The Government may implement any “Quality measure” of HealthCare Services as they see fit.

PG 633 14-25/ 634 1-9 The Secretary may issue non-endorsed “Quality Measures” for Physician Services & Dialysis Services.

PG 635 - 653 Physicians Payments Sunshine Provision - Government wants to shine sunlight on Docs but not Government.

PG 654-659 Public Reporting on Health Care-Associated Infections - Looks okay.

PG 660-671 Doctors in Residency - Government will tell you where your residency will be, thus where you’ll live.

PG 676-686 Government will regulate hospitals in EVERY aspect of residency programs, including teaching hospitals.

PG 686-700 Increased Funding to Fight Waste, Fraud, and Abuse. LMAO!! You mean the Government with an $18 mil website?

PGs 701-704 Section 1619 If your part of HealthCare plan that isn’t in Government HealthCare Exchange but you qualify for Federal aid, no payment.

PG 705-709 SEC. 1128 If Secretary gets complaints (ACORN) on HealthCare provider or supplier, Government can do background check.

PG 711 Lines 8-14 The Secretary has broad powers to deny HealthCare providers/suppliers admittance into HealthCare Exchange.

Pg 719-720 Section 1637 ANY Doctor who orders durable medical equipment or home medical services MUST be enrolled in Medicare.

PG 722 Section 1639 Government MANDATES Doctors must have face-to-face with patient to certify patient for Home Health Services.

PG 724 Lines 16-22 Government reserves right to apply face-to-face certification for patient to ANY other HealthCare service.

PG 724 23-25 PG 725 1-5 The same Government certifications will apply to medicaid & CHIP (your kids)

Pg 735 lines 16-25 For law enforcement purposes, the Secretary of Health & Human Services will give Attorney General access to ALL data.

PG 740-757 Government sets guidelines for subsidizing the uninsured (That’s your tax dollars peeps)

Pg 757-762 Fed Government will shift burden of payments to Disproportionate Share Hospitals (DSH) to States. (Taxes)

Page 763 1-8 No DS/EA hospitals will be paid unless they provide services without regard to national origin

Pg 765 Section 1711 Government will require Preventative Services including vaccines. (Choice?)

Pg 768 Section 1713 Government - Nurse Home Visitation Services (Hello union paybacks)

Pg 769 3-5 Nurse Home Visit Services - “increasing birth intervals between pregnancies.” Government Abortions anyone?

Pg 769 11-14 Nurse Home Visit Services include-economic self-sufficiency, employment advancement, school-readiness.

Pg 769 3-5 Nurse Home Visit Services - “increasing birth intervals between pregnancies.” Government ABORTIONS anyone?

Pg 770 SEC 1714 Federal Government mandates eligibility for State Family Planning Services. Say abortion & State Sovereign.

Pg 789-797 Government will set & mandate drug prices, controlling which drugs will brought to market. Bye innovation

Pgs 797-800 SEC. 1744 PAYMENTS for grad medical education. The government will now control Drs education.

PG 801 Sec 1751 The Government will decide which Health care conditions will be paid. Say RATION!

Pg 810 SEC. 1759. Billing Agents, clearinghouses, etc. required to register. Government takes over private payment system.

Page 820-824 Sec 1801 Government will identify individuals ineligible for subsidies. Will access all personal finances.

Pg 824-829 SEC. 1802. Government Sets up Comparative Effectiveness Research Trust Fund. Another tax black hole.

PG 829-833 Government will impose a fee on ALL private health insurance plans including self insured to pay for Trust Fund!

PG 835 11-13 fees imposed by Government for Trust Fund shall be treated as if they were taxes.

Pg 838-840 Government will design & implement Home Visitation Program for families with young kids & families expecting kids.

PG 844-845 ! This Home Visitation Program includes Government coming into your house & telling you how to parent!!!

Pg 859 Government will establish a Public Health Fund at a cost of $88,800,000,000. Yes thats Billion.

Pg 865 The Government will MANDATE the establishment of a National Health Service Corps.

PG 865 to 876 The NHS Corps is a program where Drs. perform mandatory HealthCare for 2 years for part loan repayment.

PG 876-892 The Government takes over the education of our Medical students and Drs.

PG 898 The Government will establish a Public Health Workforce Corps. to ensure supply of public health professionals.

PG 898 The Public health workforce corps shall consist of officers of Regular & Reserve Corps of Service.

PG 898 The Public health workforce corps shall consist of civilian employees of the U.S. as Secretary deems.

PG 900 The Public Health Workforce Corps includes veterinarians.

PG 901 The Public Health Workforce Corps WILL include commissioned Regular & Reserve Officers. HealthCare Draft? WTF!

PG 910 The Government will develop, build & run Public Health Training Centers.

PG 913-914 Government starts a HealthCare affirmative action program thru guise of diversity scholarships.

PG 915 SEC. 2251. Government MANDATES Cultural & linguistic competency training for HealthCare professionals.

Pg 932 The Government will establish Preventative & Wellness Trust fund - intial cost of $30,800,000,000-Billion.

PG 935 21-22 Government will identify specific goals & objectives for prevention & wellness activities. Control You!!

PG 936 Government will develop “Healthy People & National Public Health Performance Standards” Tell me what to eat?

PG 942 Lines 22-25 More Government? Offices of Surgeon General -Public Health Services, Minority Health, Women’s Health

PG 950- 980 BIG Government core public health infrastructure includes workforce capacity, lab systems; health information systems, etc

PG 993 Government will establish school based health clinics. Your kids wont have a chance.

PG 994 School Based Health Clinic will be integrated into the school environment. Say Government Brainwash!

PG 1001 The Government will establish a National Medical Device Registry. Will you be tracked?

PG 1003 9-11 National Medical Dev Reg ‘‘(iii) other postmarket device surveillance activities” you WILL be tracked.

PG 1018 States give up some of their State Sovereignty.
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[layoutshooter]

Be Careful Diva, the powers that be do NOT WANT us to know this. Not that they have any idea in the world what is in that monstracity themselfs. YOU are going on "THE LIST"!! Congratulations!! Welcome to the club!!!

 

[dieseldiva]

Be Careful Diva, the powers that be do NOT WANT us to know this. Not that they have any idea in the world what is in that monstracity themselfs. YOU are going on "THE LIST"!! Congratulations!! Welcome to the club!!!

Yep, on the list I am!! BTW, do you have your "mob" name yet? Mine is Diesel "The Digger" Diva......ya can't be part of the mob without a name.....looking forward to hearing yours....

 

[layoutshooter]

OH MAN!! I LIKE that one!! No, I have NONE yet, have to think on it. It IS in my genes, I am 1/2 ITALIAN!!! LOL!!! I think that EVERYONE who is OPPOSED to this MESS forward our OWN names etc to the email address and FLOOD it with MASSIVE DESENT!!!!!! POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!

 

[dieseldiva]

OH MAN!! I LIKE that one!! No, I have NONE yet, have to think on it. It IS in my genes, I am 1/2 ITALIAN!!! LOL!!! I think that EVERYONE who is OPPOSED to this MESS forward our OWN names etc to the email address and FLOOD it with MASSIVE DESENT!!!!!! POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!

You could have a lot of fun by just dividing your screen name....some of the mob shoots....some "lay" them out......the possibilities are endless!!

 

[chefdennis]

LOL, Diva!! I called Andrew wilkow the other day about the MOB NAME thing..he had a half hour about this..i didn't get to the radio, but his phone screener told me that after talking with me, if Andrew took my call, he would refer to me as the "Mad Chef" ......as in "sinister".....worked for me....

 

[layoutshooter]

I will have to comtemplate the "Mob Name" for HOURS!! I must be sure that I get this right!!! LOL!! WHAT FUN!!

I have to first determine if I want to use the layout name OR go back to my "Shadow Warrior" days. Lots of fertile ideas there as well!!

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Mike...not to worry most of us will be dead and buried by the time this bill MIGHT pass....there is a lot of speculation and plenty of opposing views...after Congress breaks this bill as is ...is a dead duck...

 

[layoutshooter]

"DEAD DUCK"? Layoutshooter WINS!!! WACKED another one!!