Elections have consequences

aristotle

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Supreme Court Justice David Souter has announced his plans to retire this year. Obama will nominate, I suspect, a much younger jurist of the liberal persuasion to replace Souter. Once accomplished, that seat on the Supreme bench will be a reliable left-wing vote for the next 20-30 years.

We can thank George Herbert Walker Bush for this one. Bush the elder was never a conservative nor were his nominees. What was Bush thinking?
 

DougTravels

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That is great news!! Not to often, do you post such wonderful news!!

and DUH Elections do have consequences we learned that the hard way in 2000 and 2004, did I say DUH shoulda said DUHBYAH :D
 

LDB

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Yes, Bush was an idiot to appoint Souter in the first place and yes we will get someone at least as contemptible as a replacement, far moreso if Obama gets what he wants.
 

Turtle

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The slant of the Court is unlikely to change when Souter is replaced.
 

Turtle

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Obama says he wants to pick a justice who has lots of life experience outside the courtroom and the classroom, (I'll leave it to Layout to point out the thick irony of that one.) in order to be able to interpret and rule based on how these conflicts and laws affect people's lives, instead of using academic theory and philosophy to reach rulings.

He says he wants a justice who combines "empathy and understanding" with an impeccable legal background to succeed Souter.

I dunno. Sounds good. But we've already got a Supreme Court who reaches decisions based on empathy and understanding, and their own person views and feelings on the issues, rather than interpreting the Constitution with impassioned impartiality. In my view, every time there's a 5-4 decision, half the Court didn't do their job. Most decisions should be 9-0, 8-1, maybe a 7-2 on occasion.
 

aristotle

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Turtle.... even at the SCOTUS, liberal vs. conservative ideology is in a death struggle. The justices want an aura of objectivity but are nothing more than an extension of the politicians who nominate them. They are legal scholars with an agenda. Upon winning Senate confirmation, they serve lifetime appointments.

What could John Paul Stevens, at age 89, possibly contribute at this point?

The SCOTUS has awesome power over the lives of 300 million Americans. As a Conservative, I must say these are dark times.
 

Turtle

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One problem is the Constitution doesn't define what the Supreme Court's role really is. It took a little while, but eventually the justices decided that role on their own, that being interpreting the Constitution and applying the laws of Congress to Constitutionality. Over the years, several landmark decisions broadened and redefined the role of the Court in many ways, and other than a few early rulings based on politics or personal feelings (the ones in the 1800's regarding slavery, "Scott" in particular), most of the rulings up until about Roe v Wade were more about the constitutionality of the laws.

In Roe v Wade (and the accompanying Doe v Bolton) in 1973, instead of making a ruling based purely on law (where they ruled correctly that people have a right to privacy and the state cannot infringe on it), the Court allowed for the entry of personal morals and beliefs to twist a convoluted right to privacy to make their ruling and in their written opinions, which also shaped future rulings and laws. In their opinions and ruling, they limited that privacy to the first trimester of a pregnancy. And they mistakenly IMHO applied the ruling and the opinions to both cases equally, even though they were really very different cases.

But by reaching a ruling based in part on opinions apart from the law, it set the stage for future appointments to the Court to be done with an abortion litmus test, rather than a Constitutional interpretation test. It set the stage to make the Court a political tool, for real. The ruling left too much wiggle room for both pro and anti abortion folks, and because of its use as a political tool to force the morals of those in power to everyone in the country, it led to Webster v. Reproductive Health Services in 1989 which placed more limitations on Roe v Wade and then in short order the 1992 ruling of Planned Parenthood v. Casey that reaffirmed Roe v Wade while at the same time permitting further restrictions to privacy. When in reality none of these cases should have ever been heard by the court based on political or moral reasons, but solely on Constitutional law.

To one degree or another, sure, the Court has been politically charged, but except for a few odd bizarre rulings, they were mostly doing their proper blind justice. But ever since Roe v Wade it's been very different, and it's unsettling, to say the least. An idealogical death struggle is right. That's why I'm particularly troubled by articles like this where people are arguing and discussing and probably taking bets on who or what the next Justice will be.

It's not really even about who it will be, it's about what it will be. We need another black on the court, we need another woman, hey how about a black woman and kill two birds with that one, or a Latino, hey, a black Latino woman, yeah, that's the ticket, or Lance Ito from the OJ trial, he's not white is he, cause, well, you know, the Supreme Court has to reflect the diversity of the country, we all know that.

Sheesh, I'll just be happy if they confirm someone who can interpret the First and Second and Fourth Amendments correctly without interjecting their own personal views of whether or not fat people should be able to purchase two airline seats for the price of one.
 

layoutshooter

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Obama requirements for the Court:

Agree with Obama that the US Constitution is no longer the law of the land.

Agree that baby killing is a great sport

Choose to impose international law rather than the Constitution.

Turtle, life experience is very funny coming out of Obama's mouth. How can a person that has none decide what it is? Life experience to a socailist is slogan writing and US bashing. Layoutshooter
 

LDB

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don't tell anyone but I have no idea how this pertains to this thread :eek:

It apparently pertains in the same way as the following trolling that somehow made it's way into the comparison of two run offers.

I agree MR G errrr I mean Turtle have you read the soapbox tonite HAHA
 

greg334

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Honestly I can't do a thing about it and what ever happens will shorten the rights of us through their need to interpret the laws of other countries when determining cases.

BUT with that said, I want to know why in the hell is Grandholm's name keep popping up. If there was anyone, I mean anyone who should never ever be considered for any court position is it this piece of garbage. AND if Doug thinks she is great, he needs to have a serious lesson on Wayne country politics and what she has done to people that screwed them illegally, you all talk about Bush and his dealings, my God.... only if you knew.....
 

OntarioVanMan

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Honestly I can't do a thing about it and what ever happens will shorten the rights of us through their need to interpret the laws of other countries when determining cases.

BUT with that said, I want to know why in the hell is Grandholm's name keep popping up. If there was anyone, I mean anyone who should never ever be considered for any court position is it this piece of garbage. AND if Doug thinks she is great, he needs to have a serious lesson on Wayne country politics and what she has done to people that screwed them illegally, you all talk about Bush and his dealings, my God.... only if you knew.....

Oh wait..they have a Canadian governor!!
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chefdennis

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Greg and Layout hit on it and it will be the way of the court from here on out. The SC has use "international law" in deciding the constitutionallity of alot more cases each yr.....the court wants to expand on that even at the exclusion of our constitution. The makeup be it left or right, conservative or lib dem or repub is not as important as we want it to be , not anymore.....

Pickup Mark Levins book, "Men in Black"....it will show you just how the SC is taking over the making of law instead of deciding the constitutionallity of it and doing do illegally.....great book...

But with this appointment by barry, (which we all knew he would get the chance and will probably get another before his 4 yrs are over was going to happen) while Souter was a lib, we will see a "barry" style" socialist judge, one that will rule for a weaker masses against those with means or big corp.........and we will move further and further away from our Constitution......
 

layoutshooter

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You don't have to rub it in, OVM!! GEEZ, a Canadian socialist that came to us by way of California!! I think we would have been better off had she come out of Moscow, Russsia. (as opposed to Moscow, MI.) What a raving lunitic she is!! You know anyone up there that wants her back? I will buy the plane ticket, one way of course. Layoutshooter
 

OntarioVanMan

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You don't have to rub it in, OVM!! GEEZ, a Canadian socialist that came to us by way of California!! I think we would have been better off had she come out of Moscow, Russsia. (as opposed to Moscow, MI.) What a raving lunitic she is!! You know anyone up there that wants her back? I will buy the plane ticket, one way of course. Layoutshooter

How stupid are Michiganites anywho? you'd think a Canuck out of California should have been a hint of what was coming BEfore they elected her....She pulled the Canadian way to get elected I assume...gave welfare and seniors a raise and some health benefits...:rolleyes:
 
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