designing a cargo van
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greg334
Veteran Expediter
Contact Unicell. Look www.unicell.com for the number.
I talked to them about a week ago, the sales person as kinda of rude to me but maybe I got her on a bad day. I wanted to know more about the Aerocell body and had specific questions.
I talked to them about a week ago, the sales person as kinda of rude to me but maybe I got her on a bad day. I wanted to know more about the Aerocell body and had specific questions.
If not doing a Sprinter or something, you could consider a aerocell out of Buffalo, NY
Their site is www.unicell.com
Davekc
Their site is www.unicell.com
Davekc
You Won't find a Cut-a-Way with a box that will be under 10,000 Pounds Gvw. I Looked last year thought it would be the Hot Set up but had No luck finding what I wanted.
Owner/Operator since 1979
Expediter since 1997
B Unit Semi Retired
Somedays are Diamonds and Somedays are Stones
Owner/Operator since 1979
Expediter since 1997
B Unit Semi Retired
Somedays are Diamonds and Somedays are Stones
Are you guys aware that if you buy a van or in this thread a cut-a-way, you can set your own pay load limit, and register it (TITLE IT) accordingly, as long as you stay under the max limit. Most states let you go down 1 and sometimes 2 classes. In other words say you buy a cut-a-way have a box added to it and the GVW is 12K with and empty weight of 7600 pounds. Giving you a payload of 4400 pounds. You can register or downgrade to a GVW of 10K thus giving you a pay load of 2400 pounds.
It can be done! We buy cut-a-way vans adding 10 and 12 foot boxes registering them as class 2s giving us a GVW of 9800 pounds, giving us a pay load of 2K.
First I would discuss any re-class of a vehicle with the carrier you are running for, to make sure they have the available freight.
It can be done! We buy cut-a-way vans adding 10 and 12 foot boxes registering them as class 2s giving us a GVW of 9800 pounds, giving us a pay load of 2K.
First I would discuss any re-class of a vehicle with the carrier you are running for, to make sure they have the available freight.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
> Are you guys aware that if you buy a van or in this thread
>a cut-a-way, you can set your own pay load limit, and
>register it (TITLE IT) accordingly, as long as you stay
>under the max limit. Most states let you go down 1 and
>sometimes 2 classes. In other words say you buy a cut-a-way
>have a box added to it and the GVW is 12K with and empty
>weight of 7600 pounds. Giving you a payload of 4400 pounds.
>You can register or downgrade to a GVW of 10K thus giving
>you a pay load of 2400 pounds.
>
>It can be done! We buy cut-a-way vans adding 10 and 12 foot
>boxes registering them as class 2s giving us a GVW of 9800
>pounds, giving us a pay load of 2K.
>
>First I would discuss any re-class of a vehicle with the
>carrier you are running for, to make sure they have the
>available freight.
I am wondering if de-rating the gvw is accepted in some states. I was told a long time ago by a good friend who is a Michigan State trooper that they don't care what is on the title/registration but the sticker on the vehicle from the manufacture. She said that if it says 16000 gvw on the sticker, then it is a 16000 gvw vehicle.
Maybe things have changed, I hope so.
>a cut-a-way, you can set your own pay load limit, and
>register it (TITLE IT) accordingly, as long as you stay
>under the max limit. Most states let you go down 1 and
>sometimes 2 classes. In other words say you buy a cut-a-way
>have a box added to it and the GVW is 12K with and empty
>weight of 7600 pounds. Giving you a payload of 4400 pounds.
>You can register or downgrade to a GVW of 10K thus giving
>you a pay load of 2400 pounds.
>
>It can be done! We buy cut-a-way vans adding 10 and 12 foot
>boxes registering them as class 2s giving us a GVW of 9800
>pounds, giving us a pay load of 2K.
>
>First I would discuss any re-class of a vehicle with the
>carrier you are running for, to make sure they have the
>available freight.
I am wondering if de-rating the gvw is accepted in some states. I was told a long time ago by a good friend who is a Michigan State trooper that they don't care what is on the title/registration but the sticker on the vehicle from the manufacture. She said that if it says 16000 gvw on the sticker, then it is a 16000 gvw vehicle.
Maybe things have changed, I hope so.
Tony has a good point about GVW Registration of a vehicle at a class lower than the weight rating; that's a great idea if it is legal in your State. However, you cannot change the GVW Rating determined by the manufacturer or the remanufacturer.
I've had toll collectors on NYC bridges ask my weight. When I said 6600#, they had me open the door to check the GVWR. A vehicle greater than 7000# in NYC is a class 2 and must pay higher tolls.
Highway signs in Illinois state a speed limit of 55 mph for 8000# trucks. The scales in Illinois require 8 ton vehicles to enter. GVWR or GVW, I think that's subject to interpretation of the DOT Officers. Iowa and Wisconsin also require 6000# vehicles to scale
Missouri, for example, allowed me to register a 9600# GVWR van at 18,000# to avoid the payment of sales tax. My reward for having done this, a DOT Officer later told me, was to pay annual taxes thru apportionment, log all miles, and scale in most states. It was a no-branier to re-register at the 12,000# level. This registered weight did not allow me to carry more weight than the legal or safe level of my GVWR.
My point: Registered weight is not necessarily related to Rated weight of a vehicle and State laws and regulations discuss them differently. Any owner contemplating raising or lowering a weight rating of any vehicle, should do so in compliance with the laws of their State government.
Terry
I've had toll collectors on NYC bridges ask my weight. When I said 6600#, they had me open the door to check the GVWR. A vehicle greater than 7000# in NYC is a class 2 and must pay higher tolls.
Highway signs in Illinois state a speed limit of 55 mph for 8000# trucks. The scales in Illinois require 8 ton vehicles to enter. GVWR or GVW, I think that's subject to interpretation of the DOT Officers. Iowa and Wisconsin also require 6000# vehicles to scale
Missouri, for example, allowed me to register a 9600# GVWR van at 18,000# to avoid the payment of sales tax. My reward for having done this, a DOT Officer later told me, was to pay annual taxes thru apportionment, log all miles, and scale in most states. It was a no-branier to re-register at the 12,000# level. This registered weight did not allow me to carry more weight than the legal or safe level of my GVWR.
My point: Registered weight is not necessarily related to Rated weight of a vehicle and State laws and regulations discuss them differently. Any owner contemplating raising or lowering a weight rating of any vehicle, should do so in compliance with the laws of their State government.
Terry
I'd just like to emphasize what you said about not being able to haul more than the GVWR. I've talked to some who think they could license their vans for 12000# and legally run down the road with 4 or 5k on. NOT the case!!
Actually GM makes a van cut-a-way with a 10,000 GVWR and it even has dual rear wheels. Penske uses alot of these trucks in their rental business. There is currently one on Ebay. Nice set up with flat floor (no wheel wells). Only problem is if you wanted to raise the body to make it dock-high you would have to reseal around the back of the cab and around the pass through door to the cab.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2001...ryZ80762QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2001...ryZ80762QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
greg334
Veteran Expediter
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I was told before I left on the road that you can not load beyond what is on the sticker (GVW) from the manufacture in Michigan, period. they do not have to accept another state's registration of a re-classified vehicle.
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I was told before I left on the road that you can not load beyond what is on the sticker (GVW) from the manufacture in Michigan, period. they do not have to accept another state's registration of a re-classified vehicle.
I saw an interesting setup in Indy the other day. Someone had a 2001-2002 Chevy Silverado 3500 with the single rear wheels (GVWR 9900#). They took the pickup bed off and stretched the frame giving the truck a 120" cab to axle ratio and placed a 16' cargo box in it's place and used spacers between the box and frame to make it dock high. It did look a bit strange with the single rear wheels but hey it works. I have found that many times it's not the extra weight capacity that makes having a unit larger than a B practical but the actual size allowing for more or taller freight, etc. Even if the truck weighed 7500 empty that still gives you 2400 to play with.
A 16' truck could carry 8 standard skids. 2400/8=300. I have hauled many single skids weighing only 300#.
A 16' truck could carry 8 standard skids. 2400/8=300. I have hauled many single skids weighing only 300#.