Coming To America Via California's Homosexuals

dhalltoyo

Veteran Expediter
A Canadian human rights tribunal ordered a Christian pastor to renounce his faith and never again express moral opposition to homosexuality, according to a new report.




In a decision dated May 30 in the penalty phase of the quasi-judicial proceedings run by the Alberta Human Rights Tribunal, evangelical pastor Stephen Boisson was banned from expressing his biblical perspective of homosexuality and ordered to pay $5,000 for "damages for pain and suffering" as well as apologize to the activist who complained of being hurt.




According to a report from Pete Vere, the penalty could foreshadow the possible fate of the Rev. Alphonse de Valk, who also cited the biblical perspective on homosexuality in the nation's debate over same sex "marriage" and now faces Human Rights Commission (HRC) charges.




Boisson wrote a letter to the editor of his local Red Deer, Alberta, newspaper in 2002 denouncing the advance of homosexual activism as "wicked" and stating: "Children as young as five and six years of age are being subjected to psychologically and physiologically damaging pro-homosexual literature and guidance in the public school system; all under the fraudulent guise of equal rights."




The activist, local teacher Darren Lund, filed a complaint, and the guilty verdict was handed down Nov. 30, 2007. The latest decision involved the penalty phase of the trial.




"While agreeing that Boisson's letter was not a criminal act, the government tribunal nevertheless ordered the Christian pastor to [stop expressing his opinion]," Vere reported.




The court noted that Lund, who brought the complaint, wasn't, in fact, injured.




"In this case there is no specific individual who can be compensated as there is no direct victim who has come forward," she wrote.


However, that did not stop the court from ordering the payment anyway.




And as for the future, the court wrote: "Mr. Boissoin and The Concerned Christian Coalition Inc. shall cease publishing in newspapers, by e-mail, on the radio, in public speeches, or on the Internet, in future, disparaging remarks about gays and homosexuals. Further, they shall not and are prohibited from making disparaging remarks in the future about … Lund or … Lund's witnesses relating to their involvement in this complaint. Further, all disparaging remarks versus homosexuals are directed to be removed from current Web sites and publications of Mr. Boissoin and The Concerned Christian Coalition Inc.,".




The court also ordered Boissoin to apologize for the original letter in the Red Deer Advocate and told the two "offenders" to pay $5,000.
The apology letter, Vere said, "threatens civil liberties in Canada, according to Ezra Levant, an author and lawyer who himself was targeted by an HRC attack."




"[The] government now believes that if it can't convince a Christian pastor that he's wrong, it will just order him to condemn himself?" Levant wrote on his blog. "Other than tribunals in Stalin's Soviet Union and Mao's China, where is this Orwellian 'order' considered to be justice?"


"This is like a Third World jail-house confession – where accused criminals are forced to sign false statements of guilt," Levant wrote. "We don’t even 'order' murderers to apologize to their victims' families.

Because we know that a forced apology is meaningless. But not if your point is to degrade Christian pastors."




"In essence, the Alberta Human Rights Tribunal is ordering to the minister to renounce his Christian faith, since his opposition to homosexuality is based upon the Judeo-Christian Bible," Vere wrote.




WND reported recently about de Valk, the target of a Human Rights Commission case over his biblical references regarding homosexuality.


Pastor de Valk defended the Biblical teaching on marriage during Canada's same-sex 'marriage' debate, quoting extensively from the Bible. And like millions of other people throughout the world and the ages – many of whom are Christians and non-Christians alike — Pastor de Valk believes that marriage is an exclusive union between a man and a woman," Vere wrote.




Vere raised the question that Canada now considers morality a "hate crime."




"If one, because of one's sincerely held moral beliefs, whether it be Jew, Muslim, Christian, Catholic, opposes the idea of same-sex marriage in Canada, is that considered 'hate'?" he asked.




Vere wrote that the response he got from Mark van Dusen, a spokesman for the federal human rights prosecution office, shocked him.


The government agent confirmed the agency investigates complaints but doesn't set public policy or moral standards. He said the agency job is to look at the circumstances and decide whether to advance it or dismiss it.




What is shocking about that, Vere wrote, is the admission that unjustified complaints can be dismissed, yet the case against de Valk has continued now for more than six months.
 
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LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
That is wrong. There's no question about it. The worst part is that it's a one way situation, just like so many things in this country. From one direction it's criminal/actionable and from the opposite direction it's just fine. Again, thank you liberals/ACLU for ruining our nation.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
That is wrong. There's no question about it. The worst part is that it's a one way situation, just like so many things in this country. From one direction it's criminal/actionable and from the opposite direction it's just fine. Again, thank you liberals/ACLU for ruining our nation.

Leo,
First thing is This is Canada, not the US. I made a comment in OVM's thread (which I forgot to reply to OVM's comments) http://www.expeditersonline.com/forum/soapbox/31860-different-system.html

Now what I think it means and you may already know this, it allows the Canadian courts to interpret the rights more broadly within some limitations due to the limitations clause as a preemptive measure but I don’t see a mechanism to address violations outside of the limitations clause. What I mean is that in our system, there has to be a violation of the right to bring suit (for example the second amendment suit over the DC gun ban), where in the Canadian system, it looks like there does not have to be a violation of any sort to initiate it but on the other hand there is no real protection of fundamental rights due to the limits of the charter which may mean that if there was a freedom of religion issue, it may not be heard at all in the courts. (maybe I don’t remember my English law all that well?)

And I have yet to see the issue of the military chaplains who are told what and how they are to hold services so not to offend others. This is a far more important problem than what has happen in Canada.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
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That was an iffy decision....it bordered a hate crime....and had alot of false assumtions about gays into scaring people and thinking gays are wicked people....Same as the guy deported for handing out Nazi literature....another hate crime.
Same as bikers are not allowed into Canada if they wear thier colours. Discrimination? or protecting our citizens because we know biker gangs like Hells Angels serve no useful prupose on this earth....

Also gay/lesbian is legal in Canada...that played a part as well.
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Discrimination? or protecting our citizens because we know biker gangs like Hells Angels serve no useful prupose on this earth....
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They make wonderful leather covered wheel chocks. Even come with a shiny chain retainer.
 

dhalltoyo

Veteran Expediter
It is only a prelude to what is coming down the pike.

On my way through O'Hara, I stopped to get a nice shot of expresso. The guy leaning on the coffee bar across from me was a writer for the reality show "American Gladiators."

We chatted for awhile and I told him that reality shows seemed kind of bogus to me. He said, "Given the opportunity, what would you do to make our show more realistic?"

Facetiously, I replied, "Put some Christians in the ring with the Gladiators." After I saw the look on his face, I wish I would have keep my flippant mouth shut.

Watch for it folks.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
That was an iffy decision....it bordered a hate crime....and had alot of false assumtions about gays into scaring people and thinking gays are wicked people....Same as the guy deported for handing out Nazi literature....another hate crime.
Same as bikers are not allowed into Canada if they wear thier colours. Discrimination? or protecting our citizens because we know biker gangs like Hells Angels serve no useful prupose on this earth....

What does preaching have to do with hate?

Why does handing out literature make it a hate crime?

Doesn't this go to the problem of political correctness?

I mean unless there is something that is taken a step farther, like damaging one's property or physical harm, verbal and written hate is expression and should not be regulated buy the government in the first place. When government starts judging what is not allowed over what is, we have a serious problem with rights or a lack of. Just study England between 1920 and 1960 to see what I mean.

This issue with Canada is just one of a few that has been going on. Because there is an open system to allow somethings to be used a preemptive measure, they have a rippling effect.
 

Jack_Berry

Moderator Emeritus
It is only a prelude to what is coming down the pike.

On my way through O'Hara, I stopped to get a nice shot of expresso. The guy leaning on the coffee bar across from me was a writer for the reality show "American Gladiators."

We chatted for awhile and I told him that reality shows seemed kind of bogus to me. He said, "Given the opportunity, what would you do to make our show more realistic?"

Facetiously, I replied, "Put some Christians in the ring with the Gladiators." After I saw the look on his face, I wish I would have keep my flippant mouth shut.

Watch for it folks.

good one david.
 
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