Cargo Van makes a comeback?

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
After reading some posts of the last month or 2 and just plain observing. It appears the talk a couple years ago in here of cargo van usage being redundant was all wrong. The cost factor and speed of which a C/V can deliver 1-2 skids has again struck a note with cost conscienous shippers.
The advent of the Sprinter on the U.S. scene has also contributed to the resurgence of the C/V.
There was a report the other day of a less advertized fact..that companies inventories have dropped yet another 1%...which is good news for our industry.
Shippers have finally seen the light and are changing their thinking of just ordering a "truck" and thinking Sprinter!
The relevance of the C/V-Sprinter has been elevated the last couple months...Thank Goodness...:D
 

ebsprintin

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Yes. So much so that last week I delivered one skid of empty packing cartons. Not everything can just wait. --eb
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
Ban the Van!
Grate the Straight!
Chuck the Truck!

Splinter the Sprinter!
 

Steady Eddie

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Same can be said about straight trucks vs tt.....As long as you don't take sprinter loads in the ST. Same with Sprinters vs CV's. Seems Straights are out doing us Sprinters 3 to 1..

Why get a new Sprinter for cargo van rates, why get a new straight truck for Sprinter rates?
 

CharlesD

Expert Expediter
There has been a rather slight uptick in the rates for van loads lately as well, not up where I'd like to see it, but better than it was a couple months ago.
 

arkjarhead

Veteran Expediter
The only down side is if it starts getting half way decent for the ones out there already everybody and their cousin will go buy a van and things will be right where they were a few months ago. Just a thought. It's to easy to get into a van. If I was a vanner I think I'd be coming on here and moaning about how I was barely scrapping by, whether it's true or not, just to discourage new competion from entering the field. All is fair in love and expediting. :)
 

moose

Veteran Expediter
Maybe the # one problem with CV/Sprinters is the low revenue.
Please correct me if i'm wrong , but most are less then 55K$/Y .
That make it harder to compete.
Still , there are Nitches within . to have an advantage , one need to be able to offer a needed service - Save your Egg for a rainy day ,& invest in your business .

Rates and freight volume , are just a supply & demand thing.
Won't take long for average Joe to buy a van ...as stated ...too dern EZ :(
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Yes, Vanning is easy to get into...but making a living is yet another animal...like a straight or TnT there are tricks/experience factors in todays economic marketplace...just like our bigger brethren one has to at all times watch the outflow as compared to the inflow...:rolleyes:

1,000 miles from home on a long weekend sitting in a parking lot and everyone you know got a load over the LOOOooong weekend and there ya sit....it is the longest 4 days in that Tuna Can....:eek:
 

moose

Veteran Expediter
What i'm saying is ,
in trucking it's not what you make , but what you keep , for the most parts , and there are lots of ways to save.

in Expedite Vanning there are very little options to increase what you make , and you keep most of it anyway.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
What i'm saying is ,
in trucking it's not what you make , but what you keep , for the most parts , and there are lots of ways to save.

in Expedite Vanning there are very little options to increase what you make , and you keep most of it anyway.

I find the income is usually in portion to the risk/investment...

The lesser the risk the lesser the income opportunities...

heres one for yous looking in....your take home pay is $700 for the week...sound good? BUT wait you were in service for a whole week....which is 168 hours....

$700 divided by 168= $4.166 per hour...still sound good?
 

arkjarhead

Veteran Expediter
I guess the point I was trying to make is you can get a used van pretty cheap, and a Class C CDL isn't that hard to obtain either. I'm not saying it's as easy to stay in the game, but you have the revolving door at most companies that keep the truck volume high, but the loads never seem to get as high as the number of trucks and it hurts the vets of the biz.As soon as one truck quits the door revolves and 2 more sign on to take the place of that one. Just a thought.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
I guess the point I was trying to make is you can get a used van pretty cheap, and a Class C CDL isn't that hard to obtain either. I'm not saying it's as easy to stay in the game, but you have the revolving door at most companies that keep the truck volume high, but the loads never seem to get as high as the number of trucks and it hurts the vets of the biz.As soon as one truck quits the door revolves and 2 more sign on to take the place of that one. Just a thought.

Us vets know this or should and watch the revolving door....they seem to come in waves...we stay diligent and watch them come and go....rookies don't like it when I say to them well if there was 10 of yous in class...9 will not be here in 1 years time....their eyes start to bulge...*LOL*
 

guido4475

Not a Member
The only thing making this work for me is my van is paid for, thank God.It is not as bad as I thought it would be, a little uncomfortable at times, but not too awful bad.To tell you the truth, I love hauling freight in it compared to a s/t, so much less hassle to contend with.And the pay is not that far off, either. I find it to be more difficult to get loads with a van, though.
 

transporter

Expert Expediter
weez warm towardzz our own. we dont cotton to outsiders taking are kentucky freight. kentucky freight for hillbillies.:D
 

piper1

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Back to OVM's original post, I think he is right. Thinking about freight opportunities only for a moment,

As far as expedite or emergency freight goes, a van is good economic option for a customer. 1 0r 2 skids of product will generally get an urgent supply problem solved and then the remaining product can be LTL'd or sent Truckload. Is a customer willing to pay a 60-100% premium just for a dock high vehicle, they can sure save a lot of money by driving the freight down thier ramp or out the level door.

If you look at it from a carrier prospective, the market is very competitive right now, I can offer my customers a rate of $1.50 a mile, pay my vans 60 (ish) percent of that (or flat rate them...whatever) and make a 50%gross profit. If I offer that rate to my customer to get the load but then have to give up over $1 a mile to keep a C unit happy (or to get them to take the load) my profit margin just went down quite a bit. It pays me (as the carrier) to tell my customer service agents to ask the "will it fit in a van" question to the customers. The carrier looks like a hero for offering a lower rate to the customer AND they have a higher profit. As a company, I can also recruit vans waaay easier than trucks, especially if am the kind of carrier that takes advantage of newbies for my own profit.

I have asked a few of my customers in the past few weeks about how much they get ship/get delivered as expedite and the answer is usually "we try to keep the quantity as small as possible and use regular freight for the rest". I have asked at what point they would ship it all as expedite giving them a scenario where they are only going to order/ship 4 skids and the answer usually doesn't change, they will expedite what they absolutley need now, and LTL the other 2 or 3 skids.

I think more of it has to do with the improved speed and cost of dedicated LTL operations (the guys pulling double 28 footers like Saia or FedEx Freight) and this is maybe......maybe making it less attractive to expedite in a standard C unit for general freight.

Have I been asking these questions because of OVM's idea's....no (sorry Ken). When I first got into this my idea was always to have a C or D unit but went with a van for the lower economic risk considering the softening economy when I started this (Feb 08) and the start of the rise in fuel prices. I have always kept my eye on what people shipped and how much to see if it was feasible to get a big truck again at some point. More and more, I see the D unit as being the better choice vs a C as it is just to easy to put a lot of C freight on a van (especially a Sprinter/CargoMaxx). I think unless a C unit has a reefer, the competition from the vans is slowly eating into the freight.

For all you C owners, you can use the convenient message link (click on my user name) to send me your hate mail, just like Santa, I will read every one.....honest.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
I think your thinking is pretty on the mark...Its either go big or small but not the middleweight C.
As shippers become more acclamated to the attributes of a Sprinter. The C/V will also make progress. We are the prelude to the bigger LTL load to follow.
 
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