Curious what most all doctors think about this:
Wouldn't that be something! We've had the answer all along. A Bayer and a cup of coffee, perhaps?Looks promising…
The treatment reduced the risk of reaching mechanical ventilation by 44%. ICU admissions were lower by 43%, and an overall in-hospital mortality saw a 47% decrease.www.jpost.com
Yes, it would be something if we had the answer all along. But as with most things COVID, it's not that simple.Wouldn't that be something! We've had the answer all along. A Bayer and a cup of coffee, perhaps?
It looks like your trial examined people already infected with the virus in the hospital.Yes, it would be something if we had the answer all along. But as with most things COVID, it's not that simple.
Your study, my study .... this is not a contest.It looks like your trial examined people already infected with the virus in the hospital.
My study examined aspirin use as a preventative pre blood clot, pre virus infection regimen to see if there was a reduction of mortality rates.
These people were already taking daily aspirin for treatment or as a preventative for something else unrelated to the virus.
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Interesting. So far, the only other news organizations reporting this cite the Epoch Times as the source. It would be a big story if true. Waiting to see if this is confirmed by others.Anyone seen this?
No, you posted another article as a counter to mine and stated it’s not that simple meaning the link you provided was refuting my link’s study. It did nothing of the sort for the reasons I already gave. And I merely stated after linking it that “ it looks promising…” i do not close my eyes to information about this virus that may change my mind. I was pro vaccine when they first came out. Still am, but I keep an open mind about potential dangerous issues that have been reported. So I’m not Gaga about this vaccine as the only answer. I also didn’t dismiss the study you linked out of hand. It may very well be the case that aspirin doesn’t affect mortality rates given to patients already in the hospital. That study, while not definitive, is noted by me.Your study, my study .... this is not a contest.
Can't you simply wait for the time required for comprehensive research to be done, for the multiple studies to be peer-reviewed, and for a consensus of experts to develop for the truth to then be known?
I only posted the link I did to illustrate that one study here and another there will not provide the answers. Research takes time. The pandemic is new. Except for ignorant people eager to make a point and willing to close their eyes to information that may compel them to change their minds, no single study is going to be persuasive, nor should it be.
Also, I think it is foolhardy for amateurs like you and me to get into a dueling study debate. Really, I can't think of a better way for two non-professionals to work together to convince the world they are stupid.
One of my nieces has a PhD in microbiology. She began her career as a college student, earning her bachelor’s degree in microbiology. That included courses in microbial genetics, microbial physiology, environmental microbiology, and virology. She also took classes in other sciences, including biochemistry, chemistry, physics, statistics, mathematics, and computer science. She also gained laboratory experience before entering the workforce. All of this prepared her to do complex data analysis.
She then studied four more years to earn her PhD., and she is now doing postdoctoral work with experienced scientists as she continues to learn and develop a broader understanding of research.
She and I do not speak often, but when I ask her about a study or something about COVID-19, she does not give oversimplified answers like you do. Nor does she cite a single study as proof of anything.
Frankly, muttly, you and I are not qualified to interpret a COVID-related study of any kind. My niece is. Other experts are. But we are not.
If you look at my comments about studies, I think you will see I respect that fact. Take natural immunity for example. Is it real? How long does it last? How is it different from vaccinated immunity? There are a number of studies about it already out there and more coming.
Based on the studies I've seen so far, I'm willing to say there may be something to natural immunity. But I'm not so foolish or arrogant to state a "truth" about natural immunity and cite a single study as proof-positive that my truth is the real truth.
Just like champion baseball players like Babe Ruth misses more than he hits, experts are wrong more than they are right. Science is not advanced by knowing the truth in advance. It is advanced by experimentation which shows what does not work more often than it shows what does.I’d give pause in throwing around the expert title to people. They may have credentials and degrees, letters after their names. If anything this virus has proved is how little they know and how many times the “experts” have been wrong.
I hold them to the standard of not being politically influenced or out of fear of retribution not publicly supporting a particular position after following the science. We would be naive that this is the only example from “experts” and people with letters after their names. #Ivermectin #HydroxychlorquineJust like champion baseball players like Babe Ruth misses more than he hits, experts are wrong more than they are right. Science is not advanced by knowing the truth in advance. It is advanced by experimentation which shows what does not work more often than it shows what does.
It frustrates me to see people unfairly dismiss the experts as wrong or biased because something they said earlier turned out to be wrong today. Holding them to the expectation of perfection and then condemning them when they fail to meet it is unfair and unhelpful in advancing the public debate.
Yes, it often happens that experts disagree. But that does not make them less qualified to do the work they do, and it does not make their conclusions and advice worth less (or worthless).
So the only experts you'd support are those who share and have the courage to espouse your political view?I hold them to the standard of not being politically influenced or out of fear of retribution not publicly supporting a particular position after following the science. We would be naive that this is the only example from “experts” and people with letters after their names. #Ivermectin #Hydroxychlorquine
Very simple: Keep politics out of science. If I see an “expert” be political than I lose confidence in what they are saying.So the only experts you'd support are those who share and have the courage to espouse your political view?
You talk of following the science. Where the scientists do not agree, whose science do you follow? Also, when you say "follow the science", what does that mean exactly? What is it exactly that you would have us follow?
It seems like almost everyone is crying "follow the science" no matter how spot-on or off-beat one's view may be. That phrase has become a meaningless term. It's like saying we have to do X because "This is America!"
Is there such a person on earth or in the history of science?Very simple: Keep politics out of science. If I see an “expert” be political than I lose confidence in what they are saying.
One last thing about "follow the science."
There is a huge volume of good, peer-reviewed research showing the consumption of alcohol is bad for you. It adds excess calories. It interferes with good quality sleep. In larger quantities it places you in a less effective mental state. In larger quantities, it reduces your ability to safely drive or operate machinery, etc. In certain people, it triggers a horrible condition named alcoholism. "Over time, excessive alcohol use can lead to the development of chronic diseases and other serious problems including: High blood pressure, heart disease, stroke, liver disease, and digestive problems. Cancer of the breast, mouth, throat, esophagus, voice box, liver, colon, and rectum." (Source: CDC).
How many people preach "follow the science" and then drink that very day?
Detectives and criminologists usually rely on forensics examined by forensic scientists and/or medical examiners that give their conclusions to assist in an investigation. That valuable information helps a detective solve a crime. They don’t blindly go detectiving. The Canadien scientist or Harvard associate didn’t have to work in the actual Wuhan lab examining bats to be able to utilize their knowledge in viruses and how this particular virus may have originated and at least come forward publicly and say yes, this is at least plausible and recommend investigators (“detectives”)examine the lab. Instead they chose to be afraid of the repercussions with agreeing with Trump and made a political decision to keep quiet.Above, you highlighted the following statement: "A Canadian scientist and Harvard postdoctoral associate said she and her colleagues withheld support for the Wuhan lab leak hypothesis out of fear that they'd be associated with President Trump." And you said, "I hold them to the standard of not being politically influenced or out of fear of retribution not publicly supporting a particular position after following the science."
In this case, what science is there to follow? It seems to me the Wuhan lab leak question is not a question for scientists. It's a question for detectives and criminologists. You're not going to answer that question in a laboratory or research institute following the scientific method. You're going to answer this question in a safety department following that department's procedures, or in the courts following the law and the rules of evidence.
The Canadian scientist and Harvard associate may very well have demonstrated political bias or responded to political fears in this case, but they were not doing research. You can fault them for their political choices but you cannot fault them for not following the science.
This is a long-winded way of elaborating on the point I made above. "Follow the science" has become a mantra used by so many that the phrase itself has become almost meaningless; except in labs where trained researchers have done and continue to do it every day.
I fully understand your desire to dismiss an expert because he or she does had bad motives (a logical falacy by they way). But just because the passage you cite incorrectly used the word "hypothesis," it does not mean these experts failed to follow the science. In this case, saying they did not follow the science is like saying they failed to drive on the right side of the road, when in fact they were traveling by plane.