barrys new science czar

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
I am sure this is change that all of those that voted for barry can live with....i mean if barry knows this guys background enough to appointment to his group of czars, he must feel this guys opinions are ok and might even agree with them....I guess this is the kind of Change you all voted for.....

Oh and yea its a blog, so kill the messenger , but the quotes are directly from holdrens own book "Ecoscience"....make sure you at a minimum open and read the link.....


Science Czar, says: Forced abortions and mass sterilization needed to save the planet

From the article, you can red the whole article at the link below.

Forced abortions. Mass sterilization. A "Planetary Regime" with the power of life and death over American citizens.

The tyrannical fantasies of a madman? Or merely the opinions of the person now in control of science policy in the United States? Or both?

These ideas (among many other equally horrifying recommendations) were put forth by John Holdren, whom Barack Obama has recently appointed Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, Assistant to the President for Science and Technology, and Co-Chair of the President's Council of Advisors on Science and Technology -- informally known as the United States' Science Czar. In a book Holdren co-authored in 1977, the man now firmly in control of science policy in this country wrote that:

• Women could be forced to abort their pregnancies, whether they wanted to or not;

• The population at large could be sterilized by infertility drugs intentionally put into the nation's drinking water or in food;

• Single mothers and teen mothers should have their babies seized from them against their will and given away to other couples to raise;

• People who "contribute to social deterioration" (i.e. undesirables) "can be required by law to exercise reproductive responsibility" -- in other words, be compelled to have abortions or be sterilized.

• A transnational "Planetary Regime" should assume control of the global economy and also dictate the most intimate details of Americans' lives -- using an armed international police force.

Impossible, you say? That must be an exaggeration or a hoax. No one in their right mind would say such things.

Well, I hate to break the news to you, but it is no hoax, no exaggeration. John Holdren really did say those things, and this report contains the proof. Below you will find photographs, scans, and transcriptions of pages in the book Ecoscience, co-authored in 1977 by John Holdren and his close colleagues Paul Ehrlich and Anne Ehrlich. The scans and photos are provided to supply conclusive evidence that the words attributed to Holdren are unaltered and accurately transcribed.

This report was originally inspired by this article in FrontPage magazine, which covers some of the same information given here. But that article, although it contained many shocking quotes from John Holdren, failed to make much of an impact on public opinion. Why not? Because, as I discovered when discussing the article with various friends, there was no proof that the quotes were accurate -- so most folks (even those opposed to Obama's policies) doubted their veracity, because the statements seemed too inflammatory to be true. In the modern era, it seems, journalists have lost all credibility, and so are presumed to be lying or exaggerating unless solid evidence is offered to back up the claims. Well, this report contains that evidence.

John Holdren, Obama's Science Czar, says: Forced abortions and mass sterilization needed to save the planet
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
Who appoints a guy that thinks this way??

Who has this type of person in a position to offer him advise?

These quotes were taken directly from holdrens book, he as complete explantions and justifications for them.

Page 837: Compulsory abortions would be legal

Page 786: Single mothers should have their babies taken away by the government; or they could be forced to have abortions

Page 787-8: Mass sterilization of humans though drugs in the water supply is OK as long as it doesn't harm livestock

Page 786-7: The government could control women's reproduction by either sterilizing them or implanting mandatory long-term birth control

Page 838: The kind of people who cause "social deterioration" can be compelled to not have children

Page 838: Nothing is wrong or illegal about the government dictating family size

Page 942-3: A "Planetary Regime" should control the global economy and dictate by force the number of children allowed to be born

Page 917: We will need to surrender national sovereignty to an armed international police force

Now, also from the article as there will be those here that think this is just more B/S to smear barry...

For the doubters and the naysayers...

There are five possible counter-claims which you might make against this report:

1. I'm lying, Holdren wrote no such thing, and this whole page is one big hoax.
2. He may have said those things, but I'm taking them out of context.
3. He was just the co-author -- he probably didn't write these particular passages, nor did he agree with them.
4. What he said really isn't that egregious: in fact, it seems pretty reasonable.
5. He wrote all this a long time ago -- he's probably changed his views by now.

I'll address each in turn:

1. I'm lying, Holdren wrote no such thing, and this whole page is one big hoax.
Scroll to the bottom of this page, and look at the photos of the book -- especially the last two photos, showing the book opened to pages quoted in this report. Then look at the full-page scans directly above those photos, showing each page mentioned here in full, unaltered. What more proof do you need? If you're still not convinced, go to any large library and check out the book yourself, and you'll see: everything I claim here is true.

If you don't have the patience to go to a library, you can always view the actual contents of the book online for free for a brief trial period.

2. He may have said those things, but I'm taking them out of context.
Some have argued that the FrontPage article "takes quotes out of context," which is the very reason why I went and investigated the original book itself. Turns out that not only are the quotes not out of context, but the additional paragraphs on either side of each passage only serve to make Holdren's ideas appear even more sinister. You want context? Be careful what you ask for, because the context makes things worse.

But yes, to satisfy the curious and the doubters, the "extended passages" and full-page scans given below provide more than sufficient context for the quotes.

In truth, I weary of the "context game" in which every controversial statement is always claimed to be "out of context," and no matter how much context is then given, it's never enough, until one must present every single word someone has ever written -- at which point the reader becomes overwhelmed and loses interest. Which is the whole point of the context game to begin with.

3. He was just the co-author -- he probably didn't write these particular passages, nor did he agree with them.
First of all: If you are a co-author of a book, you are signing your name to it, and you must take responsibility for everything that is in that book. This is true for John Holdren and every other author.

But there's plenty more evidence than that. Most significantly, Holdren has held similar views for years and frequently wrote about them under his own name. It's not like these quotes are unexpected and came out of the blue -- they fit into a pattern of other Holdren writings and viewpoints.

Lastly, below I present full-page scans of the "Acknowledgments" pages in Ecoscience, and in those Acknowledgments pages are dozens of thank-yous to people at U.C. Berkeley -- where Holdren was a professor at the time. In fact, there are more acknowledgments involving Berkeley than anywhere else, and since Holdren was the only one of the three authors with a connection to Berkeley, they must be his thank-yous -- indicating that he wrote a substantial portion of the book. Even his wife is thanked.

I have no way of knowing if Holdren himself typed the exact words quoted on this page, but he certainly at a minimum edited them and gave them his stamp of approval.

4. What he said really isn't that egregious: in fact, it seems pretty reasonable.
Well, if you believe that, then I guess this page holds no interest for you, and you are thereby free to ignore it. But I have a suspicion that the vast majority of Americans find the views expressed by Holdren to be alarming and abhorrent.

5. He wrote all this a long time ago -- he's probably changed his views by now.
You might argue that this book was written in a different era, during which time a certain clique of radical scientists (including Holdren) were in a frenzy over what they thought was a crisis so severe it threatened the whole planet: overpopulation. But, you could say, all that is in the past, an embarrassing episode which Holdren might wish everyone would now forget. I mean, people change their opinions all the time. Senator Robert Byrd was once in the KKK, after all, but by now he has renounced those views. Perhaps in a similar vein John Holdren no longer believes any of the things he wrote in Ecoscience, so we can't hold them against him any more.

Unfortunately, as far as I've been able to discover, Holdren has never disavowed the views he held in the 1970s and spelled out in Ecoscience and other books. In fact, he kept writing on similar topics up until quite recently.

The closest Holdren has come to retracting any of these statements was in a single sentence he spoke during his confirmation hearings. Under questioning from Senator David Vitter, Holdren did backpedal a bit concerning a different statement he made in the '70s about government-controlled population levels. Does this single sentence count as an across-the-board disavowal of every single specific recommendation he made in Ecoscience as well as in many other books and articles? My opinion is Not even close, but I'll let you decide for yourself. You can view the video of the confirmation hearings here (introductory page here), but be warned that it is an extremely long streaming video that doesn't work in all browsers, and the answer in question doesn't come until the 120th minute.

You will have to go to the article and read it to view the part of the video that is there...


so ok you barry supportters, how does barry appoint this guy if he doesn't agree with him???? I mean you have to believe that barry looked into the guys writings and opinions...wouldn't you??? :rolleyes:
 

Dreammaker

Seasoned Expediter
Check out the Eugenics movement of the early 20th century. See: Eugenics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. From that article: From its inception eugenics was supported by prominent people, including Margaret Sanger, Marie Stopes, H. G. Wells, Woodrow Wilson, Theodore Roosevelt, Emile Zola, George Bernard Shaw, John Maynard Keynes, John Harvey Kellogg, Winston Churchill, Linus Pauling[11] and Sidney Webb.[12][13][14] Its most infamous proponent and practitioner was however Adolf Hitler who praised and incorporated eugenic ideas in Mein Kampf, and emulated Eugenic legislation for the sterilization of "defectives" that had been pioneered in the United States". Sounds as if the science czar continues in that vein. Ruth Bader Ginsburg recently said that she thought Roe v Wade was about limiting the number of "undesirables" in our country. See: CNSNews.com - Justice Ginsburg Says She Originally Thought Roe v. Wade Was Designed to Limit 'Populations That We Don?t Want to Have Too Many Of'. I hope none of us becomes an undesirable. :eek:
 

chefdennis

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LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
In the liberal mindset it's ok for them to exercise that much control over individuals. I will go as far as saying that anyone receiving welfare of any form should be on mandatory birth control for the duration of the welfare period since obviously they can't afford their current family unit much less a larger family unit. Beyond a sensible requirement for the receipt of public money the rest is pretty radical to say the least.
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
In the liberal mindset it's ok for them to exercise that much control over individuals. I will go as far as saying that anyone receiving welfare of any form should be on mandatory birth control for the duration of the welfare period since obviously they can't afford their current family unit much less a larger family unit. Beyond a sensible requirement for the receipt of public money the rest is pretty radical to say the least.

Nor should ANYONE on public assistance be allowed to drink, smoke, do illegal drugs, get tatoo's or piercings or have a phone that is capable of ANYTHING beyond RECIEVING calls or dialing 911. They ALL should also have to WORK for that money. I see NO reason to pay healthy people to sit on their butt while I have to work to support them AND my family. By the way Government slugs, MY family comes FIRST and I will insure that it does. Even IF that means cutting back on my taxes. I will NOT support bums BEFORE my own.
 

mjolnir131

Veteran Expediter
one of the things that gets my goats, both of them ,Tooth-nasher AND Tooth-grinder, is I have to be willing to submit to random drug testing to do my job,way is it wrong to require the same for people getting public assistance? why is it Acseptible to require me to, do that but against the rights of those on welfare.

Yes i am making a choice to work in the fields that require that but in 95% of the cases those people are choosing not to work.
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
I wonder just how many of those bums in Washington could pass a random drug and/or alcahol test if we pulled them off the floor and checked them? What about the putz, the current resident of the White House? He HAS to be on SOMETHING to keep proposing all the spending that is going on. :rolleyes:
 
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