barry Gives A Bigger Free Ride for Those on Welfare...

BigCat

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After reading the linked Memo, I have to say that the OP's interpretation [and subsequent comments] are totally off the wall.
The goal is to allow states [which actually distribute welfare funds] to do whatever works to reduce dependency on welfare and children outside of marriage. As nearly every state is in the same fiscal boat as the Feds [sinking], it boggles the mind that people think that state officials are generous with 'money for nothing'. The fact is they'd like nothing better than to to reduce the welfare rolls to the bare minimum, but they know something many others refuse to understand: 99% of welfare recipients have no other options. If they did, the State would require them to pursue them. The state of Ohio is, right now, requiring a friend of my mother's to attend classes in order to learn a new skill [while collecting unemployment or disability] which is great, only the woman is 68 years old! She's perfectly willing, but the point is that anyone who is getting a 'free ride' from the government is scamming, because the government is not the poor folks' Sugar Daddy some people insist.
They can't afford to be, because the Pentagon & Defense Department have first dibs.
Anyone catch the article about how many billions of dollars the US taxpayers gave to Iraq that can't even be accounted for? Where's the outrage over the scams and fraud and waste and abuse and mismanagement by so called educated professionals who are paid [very highly] to account for the money?
Crickets.

Cheri I encourage you next time you are in Memphis to drive by the welfare office on Jackson ave. 99% of those people are able bodied enough to work. The parking lot is full of caddis and crown Vic's on 30" wheels and the young guys in there claiming benefits could lift me over their heads. Therefore if nothing else they could do a labor job which Memphis is full of.

So I don't buy the 99% have no other options bs. If they would be proactive in looking for a job rather than hanging in the hood making baby mamas the unemployment rate would drop. It's funny though for the last 3 years I've been in Memphis I had 2 good jobs and haven't been unemployed more than 5 days.


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OntarioVanMan

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problem is the system is rigged against the hard working taxpayer.....IMO most likely the welfare worker and the recipient are of the same political leaning.....Instead of looking for ways to cut them off..they are actually looking for loopholes to keep them on the dole....it is easier for the worker to keep them on the payroll then it is to kick them off....
can you imagine a hard nose welfare worker walking into the projects?......
 

AMonger

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Romney is making no effort to win. He wins either way. He is just the other side of the same power coin. He has no interest in the good of the nation either.

You notice a pattern here? The Romney candidacy looks an awful lot like a replay of Dole and McCain. The Republicans must not like the presidency.
 

OntarioVanMan

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You notice a pattern here? The Romney candidacy looks an awful lot like a replay of Dole and McCain. The Republicans must not like the presidency.

I was going to say that too......a replay of last time.....Romney has so much ammunition ..he should be out there pounding on the podium and getting the voters angry as hell....for the stunts Obama has pulled, bypassing Congress and all....
 

blackpup

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problem is the system is rigged against the hard working taxpayer.....IMO most likely the welfare worker and the recipient are of the same political leaning.....Instead of looking for ways to cut them off..they are actually looking for loopholes to keep them on the dole....it is easier for the worker to keep them on the payroll then it is to kick them off....
can you imagine a hard nose welfare worker walking into the projects?......

Can you imagine any bureacracy trying to put itself out of work?

jimmy
 

LDB

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After reading the linked Memo, I have to say that the OP's interpretation [and subsequent comments] are totally off the wall.
The goal is to allow states [which actually distribute welfare funds] to do whatever works to reduce dependency on welfare and children outside of marriage. As nearly every state is in the same fiscal boat as the Feds [sinking], it boggles the mind that people think that state officials are generous with 'money for nothing'. The fact is they'd like nothing better than to to reduce the welfare rolls to the bare minimum, but they know something many others refuse to understand: 99% of welfare recipients have no other options. If they did, the State would require them to pursue them. The state of Ohio is, right now, requiring a friend of my mother's to attend classes in order to learn a new skill [while collecting unemployment or disability] which is great, only the woman is 68 years old! She's perfectly willing, but the point is that anyone who is getting a 'free ride' from the government is scamming, because the government is not the poor folks' Sugar Daddy some people insist.
They can't afford to be, because the Pentagon & Defense Department have first dibs.
Anyone catch the article about how many billions of dollars the US taxpayers gave to Iraq that can't even be accounted for? Where's the outrage over the scams and fraud and waste and abuse and mismanagement by so called educated professionals who are paid [very highly] to account for the money?
Crickets.

That's a big part of the problem, the blanket generalization that "99% have no other option". Now, I admit I don't have actual numbers and further admit I'm not going to hunt them down but the numbers I'm going to pull out of the air are going to be more accurate than 99%. I'm sure more than 1% of recipients are illegal and/or dead. Cut them off and offer them the option of a bus ticket to the border to go the hell home or stay here and starve with no assistance of any sort. If they starve and die that's their choice and their decision.

Another significant percentage are able to tend to themselves if they were only willing to give up their luxury car, premium cable channels, unlimited everything cell plan, gym membership etc. and live a modest lifestyle until they get back on their feet. Add in mandatory drug testing and probably at least half the roll would be eliminated.

Those with no other option probably amount to less than 1 in 5 and definitely less than 99 in 100. Our PRO socialists agree with and applaud your thinking though as that's the mindset they want in voters.
 

davekc

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After reading the linked Memo, I have to say that the OP's interpretation [and subsequent comments] are totally off the wall.
The goal is to allow states [which actually distribute welfare funds] to do whatever works to reduce dependency on welfare and children outside of marriage. As nearly every state is in the same fiscal boat as the Feds [sinking], it boggles the mind that people think that state officials are generous with 'money for nothing'. The fact is they'd like nothing better than to to reduce the welfare rolls to the bare minimum, but they know something many others refuse to understand: 99% of welfare recipients have no other options. If they did, the State would require them to pursue them. The state of Ohio is, right now, requiring a friend of my mother's to attend classes in order to learn a new skill [while collecting unemployment or disability] which is great, only the woman is 68 years old! She's perfectly willing, but the point is that anyone who is getting a 'free ride' from the government is scamming, because the government is not the poor folks' Sugar Daddy some people insist.
They can't afford to be, because the Pentagon & Defense Department have first dibs.
Anyone catch the article about how many billions of dollars the US taxpayers gave to Iraq that can't even be accounted for? Where's the outrage over the scams and fraud and waste and abuse and mismanagement by so called educated professionals who are paid [very highly] to account for the money?
Crickets.

I see several issues that I have a different take on. The work requirement that Obama is trying to do away with is a bad idea. You simply are turning people into accepting welfare as a way of life. If someone is on welfare at 68, that is a problem. They should be on social security. There is no job requirement for the elderly.
Like Leo said, too many are clueless as to what poor really is. Take a hard look at many foreign countries and you will see what poor really is. Our welfare folks with air conditioning, cell phones, big screens, xboxes, 200 dollar shoes, and the list goes on are hardly suffering. These same people are living in subsidized housing, subsidized utilities, free phone plans, free health care, free childcare, free transportation, and so on at the taxpayers expense.. So it is not just the welfare side.
My opinion on comparing wasted money in other places as a way to justify welfare isn't quite right. One of those "two wrongs don't make a right". Especially when you are borrowing 40 cents on the dollar from China to support it.

I seen a week or so on John Stossel interviewing welfare folks at a government office and he asked them why they weren't looking for jobs. They said there wasn't any. They worked a eight block area hitting 80 businesses. Out of those, 60 were hiring. Imagine that? Problem is the unskilled all want to start at 50k a year.
He stated that the "real" poor is roughly 2 out of 10 recieving benefits.

If you want to fix welfare, put a time limit on it and you will find more people willing to work. Unemployment is earned through previous employment, welfare is a entitlement that should have a limit. If someone can't really work, that is what disability is for. As for drug testing, all for it including politicians.
 

moose

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You notice a pattern here? The Romney candidacy looks an awful lot like a replay of Dole and McCain. The Republicans must not like the presidency.
We are not voting for Romney, we are voting for a non Obama.
we are not voting party line, we simply vote them all out, and get the new guy in.
none of which worth voting for.
 

OntarioVanMan

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We are not voting for Romney, we are voting for a non Obama.
we are not voting party line, we simply vote them all out, and get the new guy in.
none of which worth voting for.

problem with that...the new guy quickly turns into the old guy....same ole....
 

layoutshooter

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No 'free money'. No work, no pay. Simple. Require work, hard work, and you can bet your booties that the welfare roles will thin out, AND FAST! Rewarding laziness and punishing success is NOT working.
 

layoutshooter

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I'd settle for any kind of work.......LOL.....

Anything would be better than nothing but HARD work would have a bigger effect on thinning out the roles.

There is a severe shortage of farm workers. Farm work is good, honest work. Those looking for work should get off their collective (I used collective for multiple reasons) butts and EARN their way through life.

Funny those who support the invasion from Mexico say that those people are just looking, and moving to find a better life. Many of those same people say that there is no reason that Americans should get off THEIR butts and move to where the work is. If there is legal work, move and take it.
 

davekc

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I think Layout did have a good point on the farm work.
Going a little deeper, I find it amazing that illegals that come here and can't obtain welfare and entitlements, they have no problem finding work. Why is that? I think we all know.
Sure they may have to migrate to certain locations to find work, but they have kids and everything else and seem to pull it off.
What is the difference between that and our current welfare warriors?
Different moral and work ethic and actually know what it is like to be poor.
 

chefdennis

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Dave!! You cant expect the poor or welfare crowd to move for work...leave family....to work...oh wait...the illegals do all the time....:rolleyes:
 

BobWolf

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Remember the feces that Clinton got when he signed the workfare bill? Maby he wasnt a dream date as a president, but atleast we knew what we had. With the exception of the Bush tax code the past twelve years the presidental office has had a sucky track record. Lets just take over the government, fire everybody in office, throw the thugs in jail and start over?

Later.
Bob Wolf
 
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davekc

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You are correct in that the work requirements were the work of Clinton. He was at first against them and then signed them in to law.
 
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