A Poll you can believe in..?

[OntarioVanMan]

Americans' views of health care steady this year

Seems I found a poll that shoots down other polls that oppose HC reform...

Americans' views of health care steady this year

 

[greg334]

I got a poll where 4 people were asked if they think Obama was the devil and 75% of them think he is.

I like this;
The latest foundation poll was conducted from Oct. 29 to Nov. 23 and involved telephone interviews with 508 randomly chosen people. The margin of sampling error was plus or minus 4.3 percentage points."

508 and 4.3%?

 

[OntarioVanMan]

I got a poll where 4 people were asked if they think Obama was the devil and 75% of them think he is.

I like this;
The latest foundation poll was conducted from Oct. 29 to Nov. 23 and involved telephone interviews with 508 randomly chosen people. The margin of sampling error was plus or minus 4.3 percentage points."

508 and 4.3%?

You know as I know Polls are a crock anyhow..

However 8 out of 10 people I know think reform is a good thing.

 

[greg334]

You know as I know Polls are a crock anyhow..

However 8 out of 10 people I know think reform is a good thing.

Yea out of 508 people think that way.

The point is polls are skewed for results. The overwhelming amount of VOTERS don't want their health care messed with, and I am one of them. I know and so does a lot of other people in this country that health care reform is NOT needed at all and won't be for a long long time.

JOBS are the number one issue, and right behind that is the economy. Congress will pay the price for this mess, they ignored real issues for a party driven platform issue and worked hard to give more money away that we don't have. Instead of asking the fed why they didn't raise interest rates or actually investigating the housing crisis, they played games with the American people in an arrogant way.

When you come down to it, people like me are going to be in the best position of all out of this. The seniors who are on Medicare should be marching in Washington because they will be the first to get screwed by having a lot of their benefits cut or eliminated and the young idiots who voted to be part of history will not be able to handle the taxes and when they find out that their health care won't include things that may save their lives, they will regret that historical vote.

I do envision the world of Soylent Green and the euthanasia system that was depicted in the film but more like a hospital storage room where they just do away with the 90 year old fart who according to his chart won't be useful to society anymore.

Along with that I see a time when there will be Soviet grocery style medical care where there would be a room filled with sick and well people alike waiting for their 10 minutes with a doctor who is actually in India.

There is not one thing outside of the military that the government does right. NOT ONE THING.

 

[layoutshooter]

508 random UAW workers maybe. I talk with a lot of people and the majority of them thinks this bill sucks.

Just wait, some of the details are starting to trickle out now, much to the concern of the Senate, they don't want anyone to know what they are up too.

There was an interesting news story on just one of the silly multiple taxes that they are slapping on the people to pay for this mess.

The original idea was to tax elective cosmetic surgery, it was called the "Bo tax" as in Botox treatment for wrinkles. They were going to levy a 5% tax on that kind of surgery. Then they decided that the tax was "unfair" (as in it is going to make them mad and they would lose votes) to middle age women. So, they changed the tax to a tax on tanning booths, a 5% tax on going to a tanning salon, now that business mad about being singled out for a "special health care tax" and is considering a law suit if it passes.

Those who say that they like this fall into one of three groups: 1. Total socialists who want to live in a socialist nation to remove all of their responsibility for themselves, 2. Emotionalists who fall for all the sob stories but never check out any of them to see if they are true or not and 3. Those who kinda like the idea of health care reform but have yet to read the bill.

The first two groups are a waste of time, they are beyond reason. The last group is going to hit the roof when they get reamed by the new taxes and cuts in medical care that are in this bill.

One radio guy in Detroit, on WJR, calls this bill the "biggest suppository" ever forced on the American People!! I kinda liked that one!!

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Problem is Joe..we don't know what is true..since we don't have access to it...

Greg said..."The overwhelming amount of VOTERS don't want their health care messed with"

And just HOW do you come to this conclusion?

 

[layoutshooter]

Honest polls of course!!

 

[greg334]

And just HOW do you come to this conclusion?

How can you prove it isn't the case?

 

[Moot]

No need to read past the second paragraph (reprinted below without permission) to see how the pollsters slanted the survey by somehow tying economic recovery to health care reform.


Overall, 82 percent say an overhaul of the nation's health care system is important for recharging the economy, according to an average of monthly polls conducted since April by the nonpartisan Robert Wood Johnson Foundation. The most recent survey, covering November, found that 77 percent agree with that connection.

 

[layoutshooter]

That is just kinda slanted, is it not? A lie too. Health and it's crushing taxes and government controls will finish off the economy, but that is after all, one of the main goals of this horror.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

How can you prove it isn't the case?

Because you said so...

Just as you can not prove beyond a benefit of a doubt that your reasoning is so...

 

[greg334]

Ok out of the 60 or so voters who I talked to about this, about 59 of them don't want to have their health care messed with. With that, it is a vast majority of voters don't want it - that OVM is the way our media works and there is absolutely no proof needed other than my opinion that a majority of people don't agree with any reform.

Regardless read the comments on the news paper sites, not the articles. For some reason the Detroit papers have a lot of people who are positng comments against any health care 'reform' because they may be atuo workers but they are keen on what will happen to their health care access if it does pass, and this is a very liberal area.

 

[layoutshooter]

So, since the polls cannot be trusted, the politicians cannot be trusted, their figures cannot be trusted, the number they claim have no coverage therefor cannot be trusted. Since, nothing about what is going on can truly be trusted, why are we going ahead with it? Can someone please answer two questions, why is this being rushed? Why, if this is so good for us does it require force to secure it?

 

[greg334]

You know I have a thought - if we were a democracy, then this would happen all the time and it wouldn't be a "historical" event - which it is not anyway.

Have you read some of the highlights of the bill? It seems that the taxes and the cuts are being made in the first year, which means Medicare cuts are in place quickly and here's the kicker - there may be an elimination of any and all supplemental insurance for Medicare, which is hidden deep into the bill.

The fight is far from over, now it is going to be a problem for the senators who will now face their constituents. Too bad we have Stabinow who seems to be a parrot, and levin who could have used his vote to get something for the state.

 

[layoutshooter]

I hope and pray that there is a major push to fight this on Constitutional grounds. There is just no way that this can be legal under our Constitution. Not that our slimeball government even cares about sticking within the bounds of that wonderful document.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

The plan won't go into effect for 4 years. In that time, they will raise taxes to be able to pay for its inception. Luckily, that will give us time to kick the bums out, and put in ppl who can cancel this travesty.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Once this legislation is in...I don't think it's going anywhere...the GOP may tinker with it...to make it look more like theirs...but it'll be here to stay...

 

[layoutshooter]

Not if it gets overturned in the Courts, which is should be. All laws are subject to control of the Constitution. This bill is not likely to pass that test. I, for the life of me, cannot see how the Feds think they have this authority. To use force to require a private citizen to buy something that they do not want? How dictatorish of those leftist wackos!!

 

[OntarioVanMan]

and whom controls the SC?

 

[layoutshooter]

Well, right now it is rather conservative. That may change in the next 3-4 years, hopefully we can change the control structure in the Senate in 2010 and stop Obama's take over of the country.