2 Banks Exit TARP, With More to Follow

OntarioVanMan

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How bout that....

With the wiring of nearly $10 billion to the United States Treasury, U.S. Bancorp and BB&T on Wednesday became the first large financial institutions to announce that they have repaid the government in full for the preferred shares it bought last fall under the federal bailout program. U.S. Bancorp, based in Minneapolis, said Wednesday morning it redeemed $6.6 billion in preferred stock from the Treasury. BB&T, based in Winston Salem, N.C., said that it had bought back the preferred shares for $3.1 billion plus a final dividend payment of about $13.9 million.
Later in the day, JPMorgan Chase and Morgan Stanley also announced the return of their federal aid, signaling that the nation’s top bankers are regaining their confidence after the financial crisis that shook Wall Street last fall.
BB&T, U.S. Bancorp, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley and six other large financial firms won approval last week to repay the money they received under the Troubled Asset Relief Program, a move that would bring them close to cutting their financial lifeline from Washington.
Among the other banks cleared to exit the TARP were JPMorgan, American Express and Bank of New York Mellon.
“This was, in fact, an excellent investment for the American taxpayer,” Kelly King, BB&T’s chief executive, said Wednesday in a press release. “Our strong capital position allowed us to pay back TARP in a very short amount of time. But what’s important today is that we’ve repaid the government, and now we have a singular focus on the business of serving our clients.”
 

DougTravels

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How could this be? Banks on the mend during socialism/fascism/communism? That can't be possible.

Just kidding OVM, a little good news goes a long way these days.

Good Post!
 

layoutshooter

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How could this be? Banks on the mend during socialism/fascism/communism? That can't be possible.

Just kidding OVM, a little good news goes a long way these days.

Good Post!


Yeah, I like it. They did it to get OUT from under the governmets thumb. They have been trying to give back the money for 2 months now. The government has been holding it up.
 

greg334

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It's not over yet, you all are too blind because of Jon and Kate's problems..... just wait, the next step has to do with taking the money in the first place...... Kate is in trouble with the helicopter parent police, she spanked a kid and held back water from another....
 

DougTravels

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It's not over yet, you all are too blind because of Jon and Kate's problems..... just wait, the next step has to do with taking the money in the first place...... Kate is in trouble with the helicopter parent police, she spanked a kid and held back water from another....

It is not over yet for sure, but the taxpayers are getting repaid with interest. That is a good thing right?
 

greg334

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It is not over yet for sure, but the taxpayers are getting repaid with interest. That is a good thing right?

Doug, read this.

Not really being re-payed.

See Doug here is how it goes.

I am Uncle Sam, I borrow a billion dollars from China at 3%, due in 2 years. I lend out that money at 4%. It costs me 2% to lend the money out with my administration costs and another 1% on the oversight of the money. Then I actually lend the money to you, the big bad bank of Doug who has been paying off Dood and frank through the back door to look the other way with some of your "shady lending" practices (take it as you want :p).

So now you want to pay this back with the 4% but then I say, "wait Bank of Doug, are you solvent enough to pay me back?" and make you go through a "Stress Test" which is nothing but BS because you do this every quarter in order for you to be insured. You pass and you pay me back all the money plus the 4% interest.

Got that so far?

Then Me, Uncle Sam takes the money and instead of paying China back like I should, I dump the money into the general fund to be dispersed to something else through some other treasury program. Now don't forget I already made the 1% from you but I am spending that and the 3% interest I owe and the original note plus all the costs I incur just with this silly program, and the actual cost of the borrowing and lending to something like 6% or 7% of the loan amount, so I lose 2% to 3% in the entire mess but it isn't over yet.

Beside the treasury secretary can't figure out Quick Books that he is using, he tells me that I have to take all of this debt off your hands that you accumulated through the double dealings with Dood and frank. SO.... I decide that because I have taken on all of this bad debt by giving you more money on the side to buy those "toxic assets" from you, my treasury secretary tells me I need to actually monetize my debt (***meaning print more money to pay the debt I now owe to you) and but fails to tell me that it makes my money more worthless when I pay my own debt with my own money (silly isn't it?). I shouldn't do this because it may cause hyperinflation but who cares anyway, it is the tax payers who own everything, right?

Because I have spent the money that you paid back, I have to borrow some more to pay the original note off and it's interest, I have to go back to China for the money. But seeing China is fearful of my financial habits, they are now demanding more interest on the money I borrow. In turn China says "now wait a minute you Yankee capitalist pig, you were paying me 3% on the billion I lent you but now if you pay me back with your money, I get 3% less than I should, you owe me more now and because you didn't pay me the money back when you could, I am tacking on 3% more when the next loan comes due".

See I never pay the loan back at all, instead I accumulate the interest to the point that it becomes larger than the original debt. Just imagine you never paying a bill at your house and just applying for more credit cards and getting them in the mail just in time to pay the bills and the other credit cards that you used.
 

chefdennis

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Yeap 10 of the banks are paying back the tarp funds to "start" the process of getting out from under the governemnts control...But paying back the money is just the start...they are syill under the control of barry and turbo tim and will be until they let the banks buy back the warrants that the gov holds that went along with the funds and while the banks are working to buy them, the government isn't ready to let them yet:

But until the banks can buy back the stock warrants Treasury holds, they remain entangled in a program that has subjected them to limits on executive pay and other restrictions. The banks have chafed against TARP from early on, fearing government-imposed rules could hurt their profits and prevent them from hiring or keeping top talent.

The repayment is good and i am glad it happened, although it is going right back into the tarp fund for other banks and there are more banks, the fed is closing 1-2 banks a week and the fdic is running very short on funds, so the tarp funds will keep some of them open and just prolong the inevidiable until barry can get more regulations and controls in place.....like those that he annonced yesterday and timmy spent today trying to sell to congress with not much going well for him, the session was stopped early and no one both dems and repubs are happy with this mess.....

so yea they are still under the governments cotrol and restructions and will get more even after its all said and done, and that will be the same for all of the finanical firmsm no matter if they took tarp money or not...barry wants to run the show. Here is the link that contains the quote above:

10 large US banks to repay $68B in TARP funds | CharlotteObserver.com
 

OntarioVanMan

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I would prefer the Treasury make a show of it and burn the repayment money...since it is newly printed anyhow..

This would take the over supply of US bucks off the market and the value may go up...that in itself would help lower the debt to China...
 

chefdennis

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the only thing that is going to get lower is the value of the dollar...and china IS lowering our debt to them, thet have started selling of their US holdings......which could prove to hurt us and not help.....
 
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