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At 1.30 plus a decent surcharge, (.40 to .50) it would be a close call actually. That would have you running at 1.70 to 1.80 for all miles. If it was a dollar plus the FSC, then it is a no brainer. Better off without the flat rate deal. I am basing this on a fleet deadhead average this year...

It will be interesting to see the comparisons. The big variables I see with this would be truck cost and what miles are being driven. At our carrier, they do offer a flat rate program. From what I know of it, the most successful it seems are the solos. That may be a angle to look at as well...

Gee.....can't say that response is a surprise. Have to thank Phil for asking the question. But that aside, the numbers jjoerger put up are more in line with what either has already been posted or what we have been shown from other trucks and fleet owners on a dry van with a gate. If you are...

If that is even remotely true, you might want to help some that are struggling at your carrier. Based on a lot of these posts it seems to be quite a few that could use your help.

You would think instead of picketing, they would offer a hand to the folks that could use the help. Truly pathetic.

I think that may be the case here. You would have thought at least to go with that verses an old guitar players name.

Its still all George Bush's fault:rolleyes:

Always welcome. And I can match your numbers except without a reefer.;) On a side note IRT......the newer companies aren't driving the cheap rates.

Based on what is posted from people AT Fedex, I don't think they are complaining about past revenue but what is coming down the pike. If some are willing to do loads for a buck mile, then I can see how they might be affected. Maybe you will luck out and they will save all the good loads for you.:D

I was basically told the same thing when a past contractor relationship never had anything to do with it. My interests lie in how it affects the rest of the industry and to debunk some of the goofy myths that were told from time to time.

Yep...he is gone. Must be slow at the other site since they have to keep making new ID's to come over here.

Think it all started when their FSC structure changed. The fawns and bunnies with "rose colored glasses" were in a state of denial since then whether company equipment, numerous load offers based on price/flat rate preferential and the list goes on, but I think reality is likely setting in...

That is true and why I respond. All of this rate cutting affects everyone at some point. What is surprising is the origin in which a lot of it is coming from.

Based on Phil's post, I guess one would expect to see if a load was sent to five trucks and all could make the pickup, the cheapest would be awarded the load?

I think most are paying tolls now.

I've notice that as well. As far as Panther pay, it depends on your contract. Thier rates are all over the place. Not even sure what they pay for new contractor trucks coming in? Dry vans are 1.20 to 1.35 plus fsc and reefers are 1.55 to 1.75 plus fsc. Elite loads are .30 cent per mile extra...

I can see where there will be a lot more temptation to load these trucks verses others. Might be good for my stock but I see where some manipulation could happen. Certainly going to put some pressure on the competitors if they drop their rates. So far, that hasn't happened so the Fed is just...

Buck a mile and the FSC is what I heard. I am guessing that is accurate. Almost sounds like a van rate but I could be wrong.

The whole idea is to get rid of entitlement pay and get their contractors to run cheaper as posted a year ago. Seems to be working. Still have to wonder how a WG semi can make it on 1.25 per mile as posted?

I would agree with Dennis. Blair has been around for awhile. With regards to this two year old company, if they are essentially running junk, it is likely a reflection of the type of loads they are getting. No need to complicate the simple.