The Trump Card...

[ATeam]

The legal standards are whatever a judge says they are. A judge can be just as political or more so than an activist prosecutor. And in an area like NY that is heavily anti Trump, the prosecutors are playing on the home field, with homer umps ( judges) and a stadium ( grand jury) packed with people who hate the opposing QB Brett Favre.(Trump) Its naive to think otherwise.

Do you believe there is no cause to investigate Trump?

 

[muttly]

Nope - depends on both actions and intent.

Some are far more culpable than others.



Again: depends on actions and intent.



Leaving aside the fact that she appeared to be an unhinged lunatic, she didn't comply with lawful orders from federal officer.

Big mistake on her part ... and she paid for it with her life.



Some of them pose an ongoing danger to the public and/or elected officials.

Others not so much.

As to the solitary confinement, I suspect that is for their own protection ... where it is actually occurring.

BTW - Any thoughts on Barr's recent attempt at redemption by throwing Trump under the bus ?

She didn't hear or see the (almost 7 months later) still unidentified officer
behind the glass door with all the noise from people. He was also wearing a mask.
But as I said before the Left will rationalize violence against Trump supporters, in this case an unarmed person who happened to be a woman. There is no justification for the shooting. You had police officers casually leave their posts by the doors while people were there while you had an officer on the other side of the door inexplicably at Defcon 1 with his gun. They don't shoot looters do they? Nor should they. But that's the attitude of the Left with Trump supporters. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. The Left isn't concerned about civil liberties for Trump supporters. They are so willing to lop up what authorities tell them and think a "shock and awe" strategy by the DOJ is just swell if it can round up another Trumper grandma. No interest in identifying a police officer who was incredibly incompetent in assessing the immediate threat level.

The DOJ believes that trespassers should be holed up in jail for multiple months because they have an irrational view of Trump supporters as a whole.

 

[muttly]

Do you believe there is no cause to investigate Trump?

Yes

 

[muttly]

That is correct.

I believe the report also presented strong evidence that Trump obstructed justice. I was disappointed to see Barr quash that. I would still like to see someone revive interest in the evidence Mueller developed and prosecute Trump for obstruction of justice.

Good grief. Some should just let it go already.

 

[RLENT]

She didn't hear or see the (almost 7 months later) still unidentified officer
behind the glass door with all the noise from people.

You likely have no real idea what she heard, and certainly not what she saw.

He was also wearing a mask.

So what ?

But as I said before the Left will rationalize violence against Trump supporters, in this case an unarmed person who happened to be a woman.

That lunatic - who happened to be a woman - was a rioter and an insurrectionist, who was illegally in a restricted area on federal property - the US Capitol which was conducting business - as part of an angry, violence-prone mob ... which was actively attempting to breach another area inside the capitol (the Speaker's Lobby) ... by using improvised weapons to break glass and windows ... to disrupt the business being done.

She was given an order to cease and desist (which she failed to comply with), had a gun pointed in her direction by a federal officer, and was standing next to people who were repeatedly screaming that a gun was being pointed in their general direction ... and still she persisted in climbing through a broken out window ...

It's unfortunate and tragic that she's dead, but the kind of stupid she (and many other Trumper lunatics) appear to be suffering from very possibly cannot be fixed.

There is no justification for the shooting.

Sure there was ... you just don't agree with it.

Now you are forced into making her a martyr ... the Glorious St. Ashli of MAGA ... weep for her.

Sorry, but no sale here with that crap.

You had police officers casually leave their posts by the doors while people were there while you had an officer on the other side of the door inexplicably at Defcon 1 with his gun.

Nothing inexplicable about it whatsoever.

You come to my home or place of work - as part of an angry mob that can't be reasoned with - screaming and yelling and beating on the doors, smashing things up and breaking windows with weapons to gain unauthorized entry - to get at someone inside - and you will likely meet a similar fate.

Scratch that.

You will most assuredly meet a similar fate ... if you refuse to comply with my orders, or fail to immediately retreat and cease what you are doing.

They don't shoot looters do they?

Looters typically aren't interested in people ... just property.

That wasn't the case with this group of miscreants.

They were interested in getting to people ... specific people ...

We have it on video, ostensibly in their own words.

Nor should they. But that's the attitude of the Left with Trump supporters. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. The Left isn't concerned about civil liberties for Trump supporters. They are so willing to lop up what authorities tell them and think a "shock and awe" strategy by the DOJ is just swell if it can round up another Trumper grandma. No interest in identifying a police officer who was incredibly incompetent in assessing the immediate threat level.

Big words ... from someone that isn't facing down an armed, angry mob, some with murder in their hearts ...

The DOJ believes that trespassers should be holed up in jail for multiple months because they have an irrational view of Trump supporters as a whole.

Nah ... I'm pretty sure that they got it about right ... for the subset of folks they are dealing with.

 

[muttly]

You likely have no real idea what she heard, and certainly not what she saw.



So what ?



This lunatic - who happened to be a woman - was a rioter and an insurrectionist, who was illegally in a restricted area on federal property - the US Capitol which was conducting business - as part of an angry, violence-prone mob ... which was actively attempting to breach another area inside the capitol (the Speaker's Lobby) ... by using improvised weapons to break glass and windows ... to disrupt the business being done.

She was given an order to cease and desist (which she failed to comply with), had a gun pointed in her direction by a federal officer, and was standing next to people who were repeatedly screaming that a gun was being pointed in their general direction ... and still she persisted in climbing through a broken out window ...

It's unfortunate and tragic that she's dead, but the kind of stupid she (and many other Trumper lunatics) appear to be suffering from very possibly cannot be fixed.



Sure there was ... you just don't agree with it.

Now you are forced into making her a martyr ... the Glorious St. Ashli of MAGA ... weep for her.

Sorry, but no sale here with that crap.



Nothing inexplicable about it whatsoever.

You come to my home or place of work - as part of an angry mob that can't be reasoned with - screaming and yelling and beating on the doors, smashing things up and breaking windows with weapons to gain unauthorized entry - to get at someone inside - and you will likely meet a similar fate.

Scratch that.

You will most assuredly meet a similar fate ... if you refuse to comply with my orders, or fail to immediately retreat and cease what you are doing.



Looters typically aren't interested in people ... just property.

That wasn't the case with this group of miscreants.

They were interested in getting to people ... we have it all on video, ostensibly in their own words.



Big words ... from someone that isn't facing down an angry mob, some with murder in their hearts ...



Nah ... I'm pretty sure that they got it about right ... for the subset of folks they are dealing with.

As I said. The unhinged Left with no balanced perspective. Just unbalance.

 

[RLENT]

As I said. The unhinged Left with no balanced perspective. Just unbalance.

IOW: can't address the specific points I raised ...

Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[RLENT]

Good grief. Some should just let it go already.

Like the R's did with Hill's emails ... right ?

 

[muttly]

Why did those officers so casually leave their post by the door?
You do realize when someone is wearing a mask behind a glass partition that it may be difficult to hear what someone is saying?

 

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Like the R's did with Hill's emails ... right ?

Like Trump did when he took office. Asked specifically on 60 minutes and he said he doesn't want to Hill's emails to be pursued. Fact

 

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Can you show the tape where Ashli Babbitt was rioting ? Thanks

 

[RLENT]

Why did those officers so casually leave their post by the door?

Looks to me like they were turning it over to the next line of defense ... and getting out of any potential line of fire ...

Consider how quickly the tactical officers came up the stairs after she was shot.

Maybe those who vacated knew "play time" was just about over.

You do realize when someone is wearing a mask behind a glass partition that it may be difficult to hear what someone is saying?

You do realize when someone breaks or busts out a glass partition the glass is often no longer there ... right ?

 

[RLENT]

Can you show the tape where Ashli Babbitt was rioting ? Thanks

Yes, I can.

 

[RLENT]

Like Trump did when he took office. Asked specifically on 60 minutes and he said he doesn't want to Hill's emails to be pursued. Fact

Trump has said a lot of things.

Last time I looked I think he was up to over 30K lies ... IIRC.

 

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This shooting took all of a few seconds. There were a lot of people yelling at the same time. The officer was off to the side behind the glass with a mask on. You say definitely that she heard and saw the person with the gun in about 3 seconds?
Just doesn't wash. Never saw the officer. And no attempt to arrest an unarmed individual. Keep trying to rationalize though in your own mind.

 

[muttly]

Yes.

Walking thru a building isn't rioting. Trespassing.

 

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Looks to me like they were turning it over to the next line of defense ... and getting out of any potential line of fire ...

Consider how quickly the tactical officers came up the stairs after she was shot.

Maybe those who vacated knew "play time" was just about over.



You do realize when someone breaks or busts out a glass partition the glass is often no longer there ... right ?

Some of it was gone. The small section she was attempting to go thru. But the rest was still there. And that is where the officer was. Off to the side with a mask on. It would be a muzzle sound if anything.

Those officers by the door who left should have stayed there until the other officers were there. But they didn't think Defcon 1 officer would absurdly overreact.

 

[RLENT]

This shooting took all of a few seconds.

As single-shot shootings typically do.

There were a lot of people yelling at the same time. The officer was off to the side behind the glass with a mask on.

Before she was shot, the glass in the window was broken out ... otherwise she wouldn't have been able to climb through it ...

Unless you believe she possesses some other-worldly MAGA mystical powers and can pass through glass.

In which case, she ought to be able to hear him too.

You say definitely that she heard and saw the person with the gun in about 3 seconds?

I didn't say that at all.

I just stated the facts:

Officer gave the order.

He and his gun were visible.

Other folks noted that quite loudly.

She failed to comply.

Just doesn't wash. Never say the officer. And no attempt to arrest an unarmed individual.

Have much experience with trying to control an unruly mob that is exhibiting violence ?

Keep trying to rationalize though in your own mind.

Continued justifications, minimizing, and excuse-making for the rioters and insurrectionists is the textbook definition of rationalizing.

Don't put down that shovel, keep on digging ...

 

[RLENT]

Walking thru a building isn't rioting. Trespassing.

Busting out windows and breaking down doors is though.

 

[muttly]

You likely have no real idea what she heard, and certainly not what she saw.



So what ?



That lunatic - who happened to be a woman - was a rioter and an insurrectionist, who was illegally in a restricted area on federal property - the US Capitol which was conducting business - as part of an angry, violence-prone mob ... which was actively attempting to breach another area inside the capitol (the Speaker's Lobby) ... by using improvised weapons to break glass and windows ... to disrupt the business being done.

She was given an order to cease and desist (which she failed to comply with), had a gun pointed in her direction by a federal officer, and was standing next to people who were repeatedly screaming that a gun was being pointed in their general direction ... and still she persisted in climbing through a broken out window ...

It's unfortunate and tragic that she's dead, but the kind of stupid she (and many other Trumper lunatics) appear to be suffering from very possibly cannot be fixed.



Sure there was ... you just don't agree with it.

Now you are forced into making her a martyr ... the Glorious St. Ashli of MAGA ... weep for her.

Sorry, but no sale here with that crap.



Nothing inexplicable about it whatsoever.

You come to my home or place of work - as part of an angry mob that can't be reasoned with - screaming and yelling and beating on the doors, smashing things up and breaking windows with weapons to gain unauthorized entry - to get at someone inside - and you will likely meet a similar fate.

Scratch that.

You will most assuredly meet a similar fate ... if you refuse to comply with my orders, or fail to immediately retreat and cease what you are doing.



Looters typically aren't interested in people ... just property.

That wasn't the case with this group of miscreants.

They were interested in getting to people ... specific people ...

We have it on video, ostensibly in their own words.



Big words ... from someone that isn't facing down an armed, angry mob, some with murder in their hearts ...



Nah ... I'm pretty sure that they got it about right ... for the subset of folks they are dealing with.

As single-shot shootings typically do.



Before she was shot, the glass in the window was broken out ... otherwise she wouldn't have been able to climb through it ...

Unless you believe she possesses some other-worldly MAGA mystical powers and can pass through glass.

In which case, she ought to be able to hear him too.





I didn't say that at all.

I just stated the facts:

Officer gave the order.

He and his gun were visible.

Other folks noted that quite loudly.

She failed to comply.



Have much experience with trying to control an unruly mob that is exhibiting violence ?



Continued justifications, minimizing, and excuse-making for the rioters and insurrectionists is the textbook definition of rationalizing.

Don't put down that shovel, keep on digging ...

How many rioters have been gunned down by police in the last year for rioting?