The Iranian Threat Evolves

Pilgrim

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As Iran moves forward with their quest to develop a nuclear warhead and long range missiles to deliver it, Barack Hussein Obama gives them a Christmas present in the form of our most technologically advanced drone. Now they've announced military exercises to prepare them for the closing of the Straits of Hormuz in case anyone (read Israel and/or the U.S.) might threaten the completion of their nuclear bomb. It's shocking to think any U.S. politician or govt. official would be so naive to think the world's leading state sponsor of terrorism isn't a threat to our well-being and security - economic or otherwise.
Iran to practice Strait of Hormuz closure while unlocking US drone secrets
DEBKAfile Special Report December 12, 2011, 6:10 PM

Bigheaded from capturing the US stealth RQ-170 Sentinel drone, Tehran Monday, Dec. 12 announced plans to conduct a navy drill son for practicing the closure of the Strait of Hormuz, the most important oil transit channel in the world for 40 percent of its fuel. Iranian lawmaker Parviz Sorouri, member of the Majlis national security committee, who announced the drill said, "Iran will make the world unsafe if the world attacks Iran."
On Dec. 12, US Defense Secretary Leon Panetta called Iran "a very grave threat to all of us" and warned that any Iranian disruption of the free flow of commerce through the Persian Gulf "is a red line" for the United Sates.
Tehran's announcement of a navy drill in Hormuz augments the Syrian ruler Bashar Assad's mantra since his people rose up against him nine months ago, that an attack on his regime would start a regional blaze.
The Iranian lawmaker spoke at length about how his government planned to use the military and intelligence software mined from the top-secret US UAV on Dec. 4.
He said Iranian engineers and technicians were "in the final stages of "cracking" the drone's secret technology, although he did not say when this research would be complete. "Our next action will be to reverse-engineer the aircraft," he said and boasted: "In the near future will be able to mass produce it. Iranian engineers will soon build an aircraft superior to the American one."
This data would also be used, the Iranian lawmaker said, in a lawsuit against the United State for the "invasion" by the unmanned aircraft. Sorouri did not say where the lawsuit would be filed but Tehran is thought to be preparing an complaint to the international war crimes court at the Hague.
debkafile's Iranian and military sources note that the linkage Sorouri made between the capture of the RQ-170 and the naval drill in the Strait of Hormuz was intended to inform Washington that Tehran in possession of the drone no longer fears the ability of the naval air carriers the US has deployed in the Persian Gulf to prevent its closure of the strategic waterway.
In the last six months, Adm. Habibollah Sayyari has emphasized more than once that the Iranian Navy which he commands is master of the Persian Gulf and dominates the Strait of Hormuz. After trapping the American stealth drone, Iran is mounting a challenge to the warning issued by Panetta and testing the resolve of Washington and the Saudi-led Gulf Arab region to contest the Hormuz drill.
Mere verbal protest will not serve. It will just leave Tehran crowing over its possession of the US drone as the key to the military and intelligence mastery of the Persian Gulf waters and the ability to make US back down. However a real threat by the US and Gulf oil powers to stop the drill by force will send regional tensions shooting up.
In the meantime, Saeed Jalili, head of Iran's National Security Council has arrived in Moscow to clinch a deal for the transfer of drone secrets to Russia in return for nuclear technology and sophisticated military hardware.

DEBKAfile, Political Analysis, Espionage, Terrorism, Security

Another announcement from the FARS News Agency, a semi-state run news organzation in Iran:
Fars News Agency :: MP: Iran to Stage Military Drill to Close Straits of Hormuz

Would anyone like to speculate how high the price of oil would go if the Strait is closed? Maybe $6 per gallon - or $7?? And the resulting damage to the U.S. and world economies? Maybe somebody in our govt will reconsider developing more of our own oil resources in case the mullahs' should one day decide to follow through with this threat. Maybe the American voters will start to wonder if all the above would be happening if we didn't have such a weak, incompetent president.
 

Turtle

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"...Barack Hussein Obama gives them a Christmas present in the form of our most technologically advanced drone."

You know, if we weren't meddling over there with drones, that wouldn't have happened.
 

RLENT

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"...Barack Hussein Obama gives them a Christmas present in the form of our most technologically advanced drone."

You know, if we weren't meddling over there with drones, that wouldn't have happened.
Oh .... it's not just the drones (which are relatively innocuous as things go) .... it's the fact that the US is likely currently engaged inside Iran itself (no US MSM coverage of course :rolleyes:), conducting hostile covert military operations, either directly or through proxies - stuff like illegal bombings and assassinations.

Of course, we all know that that sort of activity is absolutely designed to, and will create, "peace on Earth, goodwill towards men"

There's no possible way that such things would ever make a small, relatively poor country feel as though it under threat of attack and annihilation from a much larger, and much more well equipped, rich country - which has a long history of foreign aggression.

After all, the Persians themselves have a long history of rejecting such friendly overtures .... apparently they just don't know how to be friends ..... :rolleyes:
 
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Pilgrim

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"...Barack Hussein Obama gives them a Christmas present in the form of our most technologically advanced drone."

You know, if we weren't meddling over there with drones, that wouldn't have happened.
Yep - we should just be minding our own business while they develop nuclear weapons and make noises about closing the Strait of Hormuz. However...

"Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, in an exclusive interview with Fox News, said that the stealth drone campaign along the Iran-Afghanistan border will "absolutely" continue despite the loss of a valuable and sophisticated drone to Iran."
 

RLENT

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So what's your point - that you and Leon Panetta are of the same mindset ?

Newsflash: That's not new news for some of us .....

Care to go for double ... and offer more ways in which the two of you are similar ? :rolleyes:
 
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OntarioVanMan

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The old expression.."ya play and ya pay"...obviously someone gambled and lost..we invaded their airspace and got caught..like we wouldn't shoot down one of theirs if things were reversed?
 

layoutshooter

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(no US MSM coverage of course )


Of course there is no MSM coverage:



Iran jails more journalists than any other country, rights group says

PARIS, France (CNN) -- Iran once again has more journalists in jail than any other country, the press freedom group Reporters Without Borders announced Wednesday.

"The Islamic Republic of Iran has recovered its status as the world's biggest prison for the media," the Paris-based group said, adding that two sentences handed down in the past week brought the total number of jailed journalists to 42.

The plight of journalists in Iran comes against the backdrop of continuing tensions between the government of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad following the disputed presidential elections in June.

Hundreds of thousands of Iranians took to the streets to demonstrate against the official result -- the re-election of Ahmadinejad's hardline government -- prompting a forceful and sometimes deadly government crackdown.

Press freedom groups expressed concern about the crackdown on the media which marked a spike in the arrests of journalists.

One journalist, Bahman Ahamadi Amouee, was sentenced Monday to 34 lashes and more than seven years in jail, the group said.

A second reporter, Ahmad Zeydabadi, had his appeal against a six-year prison sentence rejected, they said.

Iranian media also reported on the confirmation of Zeydabadi's sentence.

The Tehran Court of Appeals upheld a five-year sentence for illegal gathering and conspiracy, plus one year for propaganda against the Islamic government, as well as five years internal exile and a lifetime ban on political activity, the Web site Tabnak said, citing the semi-official Iranian Students News Agency.

There was less information available about Amouee.

A Web site linked with the reform movement said in late November that Amouee and his wife, political activist Jila Bani Yaqoub, were arrested at their home on Saturday, June 20, a week after the presidential elections. Yaqoub was released two months later but Amouee is still in jail, according to the November 29 report on Norouz, the reformist Web site.

"It was not clear what charges had been brought against Amouee, a regular contributor, for years, to reformist media outlets," the International Press Institute said Tuesday.

"It is unacceptable that the Iranian authorities are responding to criticism in the media by arresting journalists and handing down prison sentences," IPI press freedom manager Anthony Mills said in a statement. "The crackdown on the media must end immediately and the journalists imprisoned simply for doing their job must be freed."

Iranian officials did not immediately respond to CNN requests for comment on the criticism.

There are conflicting figures about the number of journalists behind bars in Iran. Since anti-government demonstrators took to the streets over the summer, Iran has tightly clamped down on international news organizations' freedom to report from inside the country.

The Committee to Protect Journalists said last week Iran had more than 30 journalists in jail, including at least 11 arrested over the course of three days late in December.

The CPJ said it was particularly upset by the arrest of Mashallah Shamsolvaezin, a winner of its International Press Freedom Award.

"We have honored him and stood by him as he has defended press freedom against all odds. We are deeply concerned about his welfare and call for his immediate release," CPJ executive director Joel Simon said in a statement December 29.

Also on Monday, a group of lawmakers allied with Ahmadinejad proposed a law classifying opponents of the government as "enemies of God" who should be executed within five days of their arrest, Reporters Without Borders said.

"We are very disturbed by the calls repeatedly made by the most senior officials for Iran to impose the 'supreme punishment' on detainees, including journalists," Reporters Without Borders said in a statement.

"The regime hardliners are capable of having the crackdown's witnesses executed. There is an urgent need for international bodies to take action before a tragedy takes place, before political prisoners begin being executed," the group warned.

The Philippines was the most dangerous place in the world to be a journalist in 2009, the Committee to Protect Journalists said last month in an annual report. More than 30 journalists were killed in single massacre there in November, "the deadliest incident for the press in CPJ history," the group said December 17.

At least 68 journalists were killed around the world in 2009, CPJ said.

Reporters Without Borders rated Eritrea, in the Horn of Africa, as the worst place in the world to be a journalist in its annual report on press freedom, in October. Its rating was based on a 40-question survey distributed to journalists in 175 countries.





Iran jails more journalists than any other country, rights group says
 

OntarioVanMan

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Sorry Joe..but it is their country...they can jail anyone they please..no where does it say they have to follow our rules or anyone elses rules...they are a sovereign country..
 

layoutshooter

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Sorry Joe..but it is their country...they can jail anyone they please..no where does it say they have to follow our rules or anyone elses rules...they are a sovereign country..

Hey, I was just showing why there was no outside news coverage, that is all.
 

RLENT

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Hey, I was just showing why there was no outside news coverage, that is all.
What you ought to be really concerned about is why there has largely been a virtual lack of MSM news coverage here in the US ....

As per usual, it's a focus on the wrong target .... and an incorrect assignment of importance ...

And we wonder why this country is in the trouble it's in .... :rolleyes:
 

layoutshooter

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What you ought to be really concerned about is why there has largely been a virtual lack of MSM news coverage here in the US ....

As per usual, it's a focus on the wrong target .... and an incorrect assignment of importance ...

And we wonder why this country is in the trouble it's in .... :rolleyes:

I guess ONE possibility is that there is little real information coming out of there? Besides, who listens to MSM anyway? I don't.

What credible information do you have on the mission of that drone? From what sources?
 

RLENT

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And if you want to get beyond that, ask yourself what the likely reaction of a regime would be to being (at the very least) overtly threatened by the biggest bully in the world ... and then couple that with long-term severe economic sanctions which are internally politically destabilizing .....

I'm always amused by those folks (and governments) who apparently lack the ability to observe their own causation in things .... it is strongly linked with the utterly irresponsible condition of:

...... Wheee ! .... it has nothing to do with me !
 

layoutshooter

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And if you want to get beyond that, ask yourself what the likely reaction of a regime would be to being (at the very least) overtly threatened by the biggest bully in the world ... and then couple that with long-term severe economic sanctions which are internally politically destabilizing .....

I'm always amused by those folks (and governments) who apparently lack the ability to observe their own causation in things .... it is strongly linked with the utterly irresponsible condition of:

...... Wheee ! .... it has nothing to do with me !


Worlds biggest bully? Bet China is doing a MUCH better job of that.They have murdered tens of millions. We ain't even got close to that. Go live there and make remarks there about them like you do here and see how things are. Bet that would accept your views with open arm.
 

RLENT

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Worlds biggest bully? Bet China is doing a MUCH better job of that. They have murdered tens of millions.
..... where ?

Pakistan ?

Brazil ?

Afghanistan ?

Japan ?

Australia ?

Germany ?

Somalia ?

India ?

Egypt ?

Sweden ?

Argentina ?

What country ?

We ain't even got close to that.
How far back ya wanna go ?

Wanna talk about the Native American genocide ?

That may be over 10 million alone right there ....

Go live there and make remarks there about them like you do here and see how things are. Bet that would accept your views with open arm.
See if you can manage to exercise a little more self-discipline, mental focus, and keep yourself on point - which was bullying in terms of a geo-political context .....

Stop conflating things that have no relevance in terms of the current discussion.
 
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Turtle

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Yep - we should just be minding our own business while they develop nuclear weapons and make noises about closing the Strait of Hormuz. However...
Uhm, they're developing nuclear weapons because we are unable to mind our own business.

"Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, in an exclusive interview with Fox News, said that the stealth drone campaign along the Iran-Afghanistan border will "absolutely" continue despite the loss of a valuable and sophisticated drone to Iran."
Well of course it's going to continue. We don't even know how to not mind other people's business at this point.
 

greg334

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What's MSM

It is some tag some people put on MSNBC based on Rush's comments and stabs at the main stream "Liberal" media. Most who use the MSM thing tend to ignore that Fox is also part of that MSNBC group without a doubt and seem not to want to type out the proper name.

After yesterdays two hour long (it seemed that way) broadcast of Obama's speech at Bragg, I am convinced that Fox News is a stanch support of the Obama administration because they have televised I think ever speech he has done while MSNBC has not even approached the number.
 
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