Senator Opposes milage tax
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It's purely for political puff. She sends a letter to LaHood and before the stamp dries she released the letter to the press.
One, there is no proposed mileage tax. Two, if it ever does get proposed, it won't be in addition to the current per-gallon taxes, but will be instead of gallon taxes.
bobwg
Expert Expediter
Thats funny you think they will do away with the gallon tax completely???? When has the federal govt ever done away with any tax completely???? You might be able to show me one from the past but with the people these days I doubt their going to give up any tax with out a fight
I'm glad I can make you laugh. That's what I'm here for. But they can't tax you twice for the same road use taxes. You may think they can, but just the same they can't. No, the feds aren't likely to do away with the road use tax, which is currently collected at the pump, they will still collect it, just in a different manner. The mileage tax that the Transportation Department is looking at is the one that has already been in place in Oregon and Washington as a pilot program for a couple of years. Because of hybrid and electric vehicles, and those drivers do not buy much if any gas, an alternate method of collecting road use taxes had to be developed. It isn't an in-addition-to method, like with hybrids who do buy some gas, but an instead-of method.
The gallon tax MIGHT go away. Then again, are we not paying a tax on something, I forget what, phones maybe? That was put on to pay for a war that pre-dated WWI?
bobwg
Expert Expediter
I might be wrong my memory is a little foggy old age you know
, but wasnt that the Spanish/American war????
I might be wrong my memory is a little foggy old age you know
I THINK that is when that tax was first imposed. I seem to remember that it has been dropped and imposed again from time to time to pay for other wars. I don't remember the entire story exactly. I don't believe for one second that it is a given that the gallon tax would go away and only be replaced with the mileage tax.
Also, how are they going to determine your mileage? Track your movements?
greg334
Veteran Expediter
You two serious?
Glad you two are not teaching history, we would have kids learn that Washington fought in the war between the states against Eisenhower.
The federal gas tax was started in 1932, it was part of the revenue act of 1932 from ... Hoover's administration. That was the great tax program that slammed the economy and caused us to actually go deeper into the depression - Obama take note.
The first state gas tax was place on a gallon of gas in 1919.
Well I can't give you dates but there were a lot of taxes that were done away with. There were taxes on rail tickets, airline tickets and even movie revenue - all went away - the movie ticket tax was an interesting one because the independent theater owners fought the tax in the early 50's but until the studios divested their theaters, they could not get congress to move to repeal it. There were 'fees' for things like communications licenses that were sometimes outrageous and now gone.
Glad you two are not teaching history, we would have kids learn that Washington fought in the war between the states against Eisenhower.
The federal gas tax was started in 1932, it was part of the revenue act of 1932 from ... Hoover's administration. That was the great tax program that slammed the economy and caused us to actually go deeper into the depression - Obama take note.
The first state gas tax was place on a gallon of gas in 1919.
Well I can't give you dates but there were a lot of taxes that were done away with. There were taxes on rail tickets, airline tickets and even movie revenue - all went away - the movie ticket tax was an interesting one because the independent theater owners fought the tax in the early 50's but until the studios divested their theaters, they could not get congress to move to repeal it. There were 'fees' for things like communications licenses that were sometimes outrageous and now gone.
I was NOT talking about the gas tax, I was talking about the phone tax. I don't know what airline tax you are talking about, there are all kinds of taxes/fees imposed on airline tickets.
As to the gas tax. The gallon tax may or may not go away if a mileage tax is levied. Again, just how do they expect to determine my mileage on my private pick up truck? They will NOT be allowed to attach any gizmos to it. How are they intending to collect this tax? How do I contest the amount of miles THEY say I drove if I don't agree? Is this going to be another THEY say so, so it is deal?
Like the gas guzzler tax...
Why not just have a tax imposed at the time of plate renewal on all hybrid vehicles on a level of their rated MPG's? It would be a lot simpler
That would not be a good idea. That would drive up the cost of many services. LOTS of small business people have lower mileage pick up trucks and vans. Everyone should pay the same. Taxing on mpg's is nothing more than social engineering.
slip them a tax credit equal to the cost....just for businesses...LOL
Oh boy, more "tax credits" for people to complain about. LOL!!
Want to fix this problem? First, 100% of what we pay now goes to roads and bridges ONLY!! NO MORE subsidies for mass transit. Mass transit should support it self. If it cannot, it goes away. No free rides, pun intended.
Privatize public transit.......
Tax Credits....is the Canadian way....LOL
Tax you at 100% and credit you for 25% and all them tax agents have a job....LOL
Government has no business in transportation. They should NOT be in competition with private industry. They need to just go away. This is NOT Canada. We are going to take 100%, give NOTHING back and arm our tax people to terrorize those who manage to keep $.38.
First off, I don't give a flip what other countries do. This is here. Second, I have NO problem with the mileage tax just as long as I have 100% control of my private vehicle, as in NO on board monitoring of ANY kind. NO government monitored GPS. Where I go is MY business, not the governments. My insurance is ALREADY based on the miles I drive. I send them the odometer reading once a year. That is it.
I think that there will be a LOT of problems. Just think, you pull in once a year, they plug into your ECM, you get a bill for a rather large some of money. Yep, many will not set aside the money, just like with income tax. Then there will be some of of MANDATORY withholding or quarterly payments. I also don't trust the government, if they are involved they WILL screw it up.
No matter how they chose to tax for road 100% MUST go to ROADS and BRIDGES ONLY! NO more having truckers and business owners subsidizing free rides for mass transit. NO more goes to Amtrack. The government should NOT be in competition with private industry.
There should also only be ONE RATE! The heaviest 18 wheeler and a Prius should pay the same rate.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Well sometimes these other countries have better ideas than we do, we seem to be stuck in the same old box for the past 40 years.
If you haven't noticed, licensing a car or truck in this state causes the same issue but we don't see people not being able to cough up the money for that. If the gas price is lower by the $1.20 a gallon, then they need to figure out how to save for the bill or not drive. It isn't like they can't figure out how to use a pen and paper to record the mileage and then a calculator to figure out how much they owe.
I am not advocating a GPS device that records your mileage but use the same technology that the dealers/insurance companies use to read the ecm mileage. NOTHING MORE.
As for the amount of taxes, I disagree with the idea that a tractor/trailer has the same price as my Triumph but rather they should pay what is assumed is wear on the roads they travel. With that, I would also expect smart people not to cry about the way the tax is collected but rather how the money is used, meaning a change in the specs of the road to make them last longer and more uniformed. I do agree with the need that all the money goes right to the funding of only the roads, nothing else.
If you haven't noticed, licensing a car or truck in this state causes the same issue but we don't see people not being able to cough up the money for that. If the gas price is lower by the $1.20 a gallon, then they need to figure out how to save for the bill or not drive. It isn't like they can't figure out how to use a pen and paper to record the mileage and then a calculator to figure out how much they owe.
I am not advocating a GPS device that records your mileage but use the same technology that the dealers/insurance companies use to read the ecm mileage. NOTHING MORE.
As for the amount of taxes, I disagree with the idea that a tractor/trailer has the same price as my Triumph but rather they should pay what is assumed is wear on the roads they travel. With that, I would also expect smart people not to cry about the way the tax is collected but rather how the money is used, meaning a change in the specs of the road to make them last longer and more uniformed. I do agree with the need that all the money goes right to the funding of only the roads, nothing else.