Employee claims race reason denied unempoyment

[cheri1122]

In most states, when somebody gets fired for cause - like fraud or theft - they are disqualified from receiving unemployment benefits.

That is correct. The issue, though, is that she was put on PAID leave 12 years earlier, [apparently to resolve a complaint she was preparing to file, but no one ever told her to return to work] and never actually fired until recently. While 12 yrs is a pretty long leave, what she did was not legally wrong - just morally indefensible.
The bigger question is why those who neglected to deal with the issue for 12 years aren't facing charges - they also collected paychecks for 12 years without performing their jobs in a satisfactory manner. A few were fired, but so what? They won't actually pay for their malfeasance, they'll just get another job.
And: federal, state, and local law enforcement couldn't find anyone responsible?!
The woman in question isn't the only one collecting a salary for not doing her job - a lot of officials [federal, state, and local] are too.
Blacks, Hispanics, Eskimos, Albinos, or whatever are not exempt. This is a great example of the entitlement mentality that's developed over the years among a certain segment of our society.

The unemployment issue revolves around what exactly the woman was fired for - following orders? They told her to go on paid leave, right? Of course they didn't mean for 12 years, but she didn't drop the ball, her bosses did - so what's the official reason for firing her?
I agree that the racism charge is just another slap in the face from someone who has been paid for 12 years of not working, but the responsibility for that is not legally hers.
It boggles the mind that investigators cannot identify who is responsible for this, because they should be paying the money back to the taxpayers.

 

[layoutshooter]

The unemployment issue revolves around what exactly the woman was fired for - following orders? They told her to go on paid leave, right? Of course they didn't mean for 12 years, but she didn't drop the ball, her bosses did - so what's the official reason for firing her?
I agree that the racism charge is just another slap in the face from someone who has been paid for 12 years of not working, but the responsibility for that is not legally hers.
It boggles the mind that investigators cannot identify who is responsible for this, because they should be paying the money back to the taxpayers.

I DO believe that she is, at the very least, responsible for paying back this money. A REASONABLE person would have been on the phone DAILY trying to find out what her status was. To collect money for 12 years is a blatant effort to defraud. The racism charge bolsters that argument. The FACT is that she is slimy enough and lazy enough to do NOTHING for 12 years and then expect to get away with it. While the county, city and every one else was wrong in this issue, so was she. Her actions were NOT the actions of an honest person. The lack of personal responsibility in this country is one of the MAIN reasons we are in so much trouble. All individuals involved, including that women, should be brought up on charges. Just as "ignorance" of the law is not a valid excuse, neither is "ignorance" of your status.

 

[xiggi]

The unemployment issue revolves around what exactly the woman was fired for - following orders? They told her to go on paid leave, right? Of course they didn't mean for 12 years, but she didn't drop the ball, her bosses did - so what's the official reason for firing her?
I agree that the racism charge is just another slap in the face from someone who has been paid for 12 years of not working, but the responsibility for that is not legally hers.
It boggles the mind that investigators cannot identify who is responsible for this, because they should be paying the money back to the taxpayers.

Come on Cheri theft by ommission is still theft. If your bank accidentally deposits 10 grand in your account you cannot legally keep it I do not see how this is any different. I do not know if this is truly a legal or civil matter but it is theft.

 

[cheri1122]

Come on Cheri theft by ommission is still theft. If your bank accidentally deposits 10 grand in your account you cannot legally keep it I do not see how this is any different. I do not know if this is truly a legal or civil matter but it is theft.

It isn't theft - she was doing as she was told, taking a paid leave until the matter [a complaint she was preparing to file] was resolved.
I am not defending her, what she did was immoral, but illegal? Nope, no one ever told her the issue was resolved.
I believe she did try, at least once, to settle it, and was put off.
It's still the officials above her who bear the legal responsibility, and all the LEOs who can't determine who to charge that need looking into, IMO.

 

[layoutshooter]

It isn't theft - she was doing as she was told, taking a paid leave until the matter [a complaint she was preparing to file] was resolved.
I am not defending her, what she did was immoral, but illegal? Nope, no one ever told her the issue was resolved.
I believe she did try, at least once, to settle it, and was put off.
It's still the officials above her who bear the legal responsibility, and all the LEOs who can't determine who to charge that need looking into, IMO.

This is WHY things are such a mess, we excuse bad, immoral or irresponsible behavior. It's NOT her fault that she was too lazy or too stupid to push the issue until it was solved. A GOOD citizen should have and could have reported what was going on to a higher athority.

 

[cheri1122]

This is WHY things are such a mess, we excuse
people who go off after reading outrageous headlines, without bothering to get any actual the facts beyond that.
It's NOT her fault that she was too lazy or too stupid to demand accountability from those who are responsible for the 12 years of paid leave in order to avoid addressing her original complaint.
. A GOOD citizen should have and could have reported what was going on to a higher athority.

Reported what? "They put me on paid leave while they investigate my complaint?"
Yeah, that would have got their attention.

 

[layoutshooter]

Reported what? "They put me on paid leave while they investigate my complaint?"
Yeah, that would have got their attention.

She SHOULD have went to a lawyer and explained what was going on. There are plenty of free legal services if she could not afford to pay for one.

She KNEW she was stealing. Did she make reasonable every reasonable effort to solve the problem? Did she call daily or at least once a week? One or two tries over YEARS is NOT putting up any effort.

She is NO better than those in government who did NOT do her job. I would LOVE to talk with a lawyer on this. I would be willing to bet that due to the extreme time involved that she has broken several laws.

You can excuse her role in this matter, not I. Society cannot function if people refuse to act in a responsible manner. NO one, including that woman, did so in this case.

 

[layoutshooter]

Reported what? "They put me on paid leave while they investigate my complaint?"
Yeah, that would have got their attention.

She SHOULD have went to a lawyer and explained what was going on. There are plenty of free legal services if she could not afford to pay for one.

She KNEW she was stealing. Did she make reasonable every reasonable effort to solve the problem? Did she call daily or at least once a week? One or two tries over YEARS is NOT putting up any effort.

She is NO better than those in government who did NOT do her job. I would LOVE to talk with a lawyer on this. I would be willing to bet that due to the extreme time involved that she has broken several laws.

You can excuse her role in this matter, not I. Society cannot function if people refuse to act in a responsible manner. NO one, including that woman, did so in this case.

 

[cheri1122]

She SHOULD have went to a lawyer and explained what was going on. There are plenty of free legal services if she could not afford to pay for one.

She KNEW she was stealing.
She knew nothing of the sort. She was told to stay home on paid leave, and that's what she did.
Did she make reasonable every reasonable effort to solve the problem? Did she call daily or at least once a week? One or two tries over YEARS is NOT putting up any effort.
She is not legally obliged to make ANY effort to 'solve the problem'.

She is NO better than those in government who did NOT do her job. I would LOVE to talk with a lawyer on this. I would be willing to bet that due to the extreme time involved that she has broken several laws.
Neither federal, state, or local LEOs could find any laws broken. A whole lot of fiscal malfeasance on the part of a whole lot of people above her, but no laws broken.
Again: you didn't read the article, or you'd know better.
You can excuse her role in this matter, not I. Society cannot function if people refuse to act in a responsible manner. NO one, including that woman, did so in this case.

You don't read much before firing off a response, do you?
I said "I'm not defending her, what she did was morally indefensible."
It's all those OTHER people, the ones who caused the situation, and knew about it, that should be charged, but everyone just overlooks their responsibility in the rush to blame the one who makes good headlines.
It's no wonder we get such poor results from elected officials, when people don't look any further than the large print before deciding who is at fault, and what should be done about it.

 

[cheri1122]

"Plenty of free legal services"?
HAHAHAHA
That's one of those 'socialist' programs there isn't enough money to pay for any more - if you believe there are free legal services available for the asking, just try getting some.

 

[layoutshooter]

You don't read much before firing off a response, do you?
I said "I'm not defending her, what she did was morally indefensible."
It's all those OTHER people, the ones who caused the situation, and knew about it, that should be charged, but everyone just overlooks their responsibility in the rush to blame the one who makes good headlines.
It's no wonder we get such poor results from elected officials, when people don't look any further than the large print before deciding who is at fault, and what should be done about it.

No, I read it. I just do NOT agree. I would be willing to bet that she has broken several laws.

I did NOT overlook the others responsibility in this. Heads should role at EVERY level.

I have stated many times in here that responsibility is IMPORTANT. It is REQUIRED for society to survive. It is REQUIRED when exercising our rights. The reason we are in the mess we are in is because responsibility is no longer taught or expected.

I would LOVE to have the resources to investigate this. It would be interesting to see what would fall out. I don't believe for ONE SECOND that this will be investigated to the fullest extent, too many "elected officials" involved. Just like the congress will NEVER be audited. We will NEVER know how Social Security money was stolen and used as a slush fund. We will NEVER know where all the BILLIONS of bail out money went. We will NEVER know who Bush, Obama and the rest of the scum in Washington protected at our expense. The were NEVER be an audit of the Federal Reserve.

But, back to this thread, the woman is a crook. It is NO different than finding $1000 dollars on the street and just keeping it, making NO effort to find the rightful owner. That IS a crime, it is called "theft of lost property". At least it is a crime in Pennsylvania.

 

[cheri1122]

THERE WAS NO THEFT.
NO PROPERTY WAS 'LOST'.
PENNSYLVANIA HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING.
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AS USUAL.

I quit. There are better ways to waste time than pointing out what you simply cannot [or will not] comprehend.

 

[layoutshooter]

THERE WAS NO THEFT.
NO PROPERTY WAS 'LOST'.
PENNSYLVANIA HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING.
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AS USUAL.

I quit. There are better ways to waste time than pointing out what you simply cannot [or will not] comprehend.

Thank you for TRYING to have a civil conversation.

I think, IF you looked it up, there are laws in MOST states that cover theft like this. Just how do you KNOW that I have no idea what I am talking about, do you? How do I know that YOU comprehend anything?

 

[AMonger]

Come on Cheri theft by ommission is still theft. If your bank accidentally deposits 10 grand in your account you cannot legally keep it I do not see how this is any different. I do not know if this is truly a legal or civil matter but it is theft.

You don't, however, have to report it to them, and any interest earned up to the time they catch it and change it belongs to you.

It would probably be a bad idea to spend any of it before they catch it, though.

 

[cheri1122]

You don't, however, have to report it to them, and any interest earned up to the time they catch it and change it belongs to you.

It would probably be a bad idea to spend any of it before they catch it, though.

I realize it may be tough to understand the concept of 'paid leave', where one gets paid for not working, foreign as it is to our work ethic, but trust me: it exists, lots of people do it, and it isn't considered theft by any means.
The bigger question is why it was authorized to begin with - what was being kept under wraps by sending the employee home with pay [to keep her quiet]?
Also, who turned in the timesheets every week?
Another article says the yearly evaluations weren't done as required, but someone turned in timesheets every week for her - no criminal charges for that?!
It's infuriating to see this level of incompetence and malfeasance go virtually unpunished, while we can lose our jobs for a speeding ticket!
And to see the voters who think the woman herself should be prosecuted for theft, like it's entirely her fault.

 

[layoutshooter]

I realize it may be tough to understand the concept of 'paid leave', where one gets paid for not working, foreign as it is to our work ethic, but trust me: it exists, lots of people do it, and it isn't considered theft by any means.
The bigger question is why it was authorized to begin with - what was being kept under wraps by sending the employee home with pay [to keep her quiet]?
Also, who turned in the timesheets every week?
Another article says the yearly evaluations weren't done as required, but someone turned in timesheets every week for her - no criminal charges for that?!
It's infuriating to see this level of incompetence and malfeasance go virtually unpunished, while we can lose our jobs for a speeding ticket!
And to see the voters who think the woman herself should be prosecuted for theft, like it's entirely her fault.

There is a LOT more going on with this story that is being reported OR investigated. There is NO way that she was not aware of what was going on. I believe that there was, and is, an ongoing criminal conspiracy. The entire mess smells like rotten fish.

I would LOVE to know why this is NOT being investigated. Where is the "free press"? They should be all over this. Why is the city/county/state law enforcement not investigating this? I wonder, could this woman be "given" this sweetheart deal to buy her off? Who else was in of this?

I don't, for one second, believe that this was just a "big mistake".

 

[scottm4211]

They probably refused to throw out an empty pallet

 

[layoutshooter]

They probably refused to throw out an empty pallet

WOW!! You may be right!!!

 

[greg334]

Cheri,
It is called Fraud.

The employee who this is about committed fraud because she didn't actually bring it to the attention of her superiors at work knowing there was a limit to the time she was to be on paid leave. IT is her responsibility to understand the policies and regulations, not the employer or the state.

 

[cheri1122]

Cheri,
It is called Fraud.

The employee who this is about committed fraud
If the many federal state, and local officials couldn't find any proof, I doubt it - they were pretty motivated.
because she didn't actually bring it to the attention of her superiors at work

Per several different articles, she tried "several times" to return to work, and was told to continue waiting every time.
knowing there was a limit to the time she was to be on paid leave.
I'm sure that's precisely the problem: the policies had no limit for paid leaves. They should, and you can bet the policies have been amended, but an 'end date' wasn't considered relevant when the policies were written, because who could have imagined something like this?
IT is her responsibility to understand the policies and regulations, not the employer or the state.

Hers, yes, but also the employers, because they are supposed to enforce them.
It becomes the state's when they investigate alleged violations - which personally, I think the woman was placed on leave to prevent [an investigation] and just kept getting blown off by the superior who wanted it [whatever 'it' was] to just go away.
Looks like it did.