barry set for more embarassment in Europe

chefdennis

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1st the voters of America took barry down with the mid term elections. Then he took off to what he figured was nicer situations and China , South Korea, Asia and the G-20 leaders slapped barry down last week much to the embarassment of the country as he is being shown as the weakest president since Jimmy....I guess he didn't get enough, he is heading to Europe for more of the same next week.....

Analysis: Europe is next test for weakened Obama

By Matt Spetalnick
WASHINGTON | Mon Nov 15, 2010 2:07pm EST
Analysis: Europe is next test for weakened Obama | Reuters

(Reuters) - If President Barack Obama is not yet convinced that his international star power has faded, his next round of transatlantic summitry should clear up any lingering doubts.
Coming off a marathon Asia trip where Obama often found himself rebuffed by fellow world leaders, he will head to Europe this week where the agenda will be clouded by a growing divide over economic strategy and a sense of neglect among traditional U.S. allies.

His challenge is to reassure European partners that, despite political weakness at home and embarrassing setbacks abroad, he remains committed to better cooperation on issues ranging from the war in Afghanistan to the fight against trade protectionism.

But it will not be easy for Obama, whose Democratic Party suffered heavy losses in this month's congressional elections, to dispel the impression that his stature has been diminished on the world stage. He will attend back-to-back NATO and European Union summits in Lisbon on Friday and Saturday.

"The tricky thing for Obama is to show the Europeans not only that he's still important to them but that they're still important to the U.S.," said Sally McNamara, a European affairs expert at the conservative Heritage Foundation in Washington.

Accustomed to being at the center of U.S. foreign policy, Europe may be feeling jilted.

Despite the European love affair with Obama when he was elected two years ago, he has let transatlantic ties slip down his priorities list while focusing on rising Asian powers like China and India and domestic concerns such as high unemployment and an anemic economy.

It will not be lost on his European hosts that Obama, who visited Europe six times in his first year, is dashing to Lisbon for little more than 24 hours on the ground after conducting a 10-day four-country tour of Asia.

The White House insists that Obama's engagement with economically dynamic Asia will not come at the expense of America's "enduring partnership" with less-vibrant Europe.

But analysts believe sweeping Republican gains in the November 2 midterm elections, which could cause legislative gridlock, will make it harder for him to make progress on top European concerns like financial regulation, climate change and trade.

BACKLASH FROM EUROPE?

Obama may also have to deal with fallout from last week's Group of 20 summit in Seoul, where he faced a backlash over U.S. monetary easing policy, resistance to his push for hard targets on global balanced growth and reluctance to join in pressuring China over its currency.

Reflecting a growing estrangement over economic policy, German Chancellor Angela Merkel and British Prime Minister David Cameron have strongly opposed Obama's call for stimulating economic expansion with more government spending. They prefer to stress fiscal discipline.

German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble took the rhetoric to a new level earlier this month when he said the Federal Reserve's decision to pump $600 billion into the U.S. economy was "clueless." Germany, China and other big exporters see it as a backdoor way to cheapen the dollar and give U.S. goods a trade advantage.

Meeting first with NATO leaders and then with heads of the 27-nation EU, the world's biggest economic bloc, Obama will undoubtedly seek to ease tensions.

Topping the NATO agenda will be Afghanistan. Obama wants allies to commit to a blueprint for shifting primary security responsibility to Afghan forces by 2014. He is mindful of NATO's need for an exit strategy in the increasingly unpopular war but hopes to avoid a disorderly rush for the door.

How well he fares could be a sign of how much sway he still holds with Europe. Though Obama remains popular among ordinary Europeans, their leaders are no longer starry-eyed about him.

Many welcome his more multilateral approach after what critics derided as "cowboy diplomacy" under George W. Bush.

But there is also disappointment in Europe that Obama has not done more to advance the fight against climate change or meet his promise to close the military prison at Guantanamo.

Nearly two years after he took office, traditional European powers have also seen their international clout heavily diluted with his push to elevate the G20 over the G8 as the main forum for coordinating global economic policy.

"It's a touchy issue," said Charles Kupchan, an expert on international relations at Georgetown University. "On Obama's watch, there has been a demotion of Europe's voice."

The EU summit was originally scheduled for May in Madrid, but it was called off after Obama decided not to go. U.S. officials said it would have been little more than a photo-op.

Then the euro zone debt crisis erupted, with the near-collapse of Greece's sovereign debt market and a spillover effect on U.S. financial markets and the economy.

That sent officials scrambling to reschedule the summit, which now is sure to discuss Ireland's emerging debt woes.

Obama said last week at the G20 that he had developed "genuine friendship" with some foreign leaders, including Merkel. But European diplomats demurred, saying he had mostly forged working relationships, not close personal bonds.

Born in Hawaii and raised partly in Indonesia, Obama -- who lacks the instinctive European focus of his predecessors -- has declared he wants to be America's first "Pacific president." Europeans may be wondering where that leaves the Atlantic.
 

greg334

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If you read Schaeuble entire comment, and then the French minister's comments, it is rather a tell tale sign that Obama lost all respect from those who thought he was the second coming.

Schaeuble pointed out in other comments after his speech that this is sort of a suicide move on our part and with most of the economist telling Obama not to do it and China's move to keep inflation in check, we are still lowering interest rates, throwing money at the problem and hoping that we will create some sort of recovery.

Today, the biggest lie yet has been thrown out there by the administration - for every dollar we provide in unemployment, we create two dollars worth in the economy. One economist from Bloomberg pointed out that for every dollar we give in unemployment, it costs us three dollars.

The biggest issue now is a deflationary period we are heading into again, we are almost at 0% inflation and if we continue in the direction, we will hit the negative sometime in second quarter 2011.
 

witness23

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Well, one could argue if China and Europe are not happy with the United States, then he must be doing something right. Wasn't that what everyone was screaming about, "We're not Europe, Obama wants to turn us into a European Socialist state!" Why is everyone so concerned what Europe and China and anyone else thinks of us?
 

davekc

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Well, one could argue if China and Europe are not happy with the United States, then he must be doing something right. Wasn't that what everyone was screaming about, "We're not Europe, Obama wants to turn us into a European Socialist state!" Why is everyone so concerned what Europe and China and anyone else thinks of us?


I think we have to care what China thinks because as Obama & Nancy keeps racking up the debt, China becomes a bigger player in our financial picture.
 

greg334

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But since the debacle in the congress that caused the 'crash', a lot of mortgage back securities are being held by European interests, some of which were the French and German governments.

They still have a stake in the recovery of those securities and with the government still 'buying' some of the "toxic assets" up through Fannie and Freddie, we are borrowing to keep those two cluster****s afloat while propping up the housing and other markets up with a false premise that the government needs to throw more money into the economy. This has and will continue to have a negative affect on the Europeans because they too borrow from China and this puts them into a bad situation when they need to borrow more. If they could, they would offload the US mortgage backed securities off at a discount to China as a payback of their interest to them and that would screw us even more.

The thing that a lot of the EU states have done is move to go to a more capitalist economy, starting with their tax systems. Many are going to a flat tax system, ditching the punitive regressive system we are clinging to. If we would at least look at a cosumption style tax, the Fair Tax is one, we have a better chance of cleaning up this mess.
 

davekc

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I do think we are at a point were the tax system needs a total overhaul. But, I think the only change coming is more IRS agents to collect for Obamacare. Maybe we will luck out and the funding for that gets scrapped.
 
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