Sign of the times

[OntarioVanMan]

From the start of the mortgage scandals..we lived under a false economy...none of it should have happened...everything the boom was a falsehood...The feds knew and did little to stop it as long as they looked good and people worked...the housing boom without the mortgages would never been...

 

[layoutshooter]

Yep, we were all just plain old ripped off.

 

[chefdennis]

I read on some left wing forum last week that it was all the fault of the OIL COMPANIES and the price of GAS!!!

 

[greg334]

Letz is rather really right about this but the problem has been our greed and selfishness that has led us to this point in our history. It is easy to blame the president or congress but it is our own **** fault. We choose to get into easy situations without thinking about the future and many of us who have been ruined have cried the loudest and longest.

The solution would be to do nothing in the market and to let the market do its own thing.

IN other words let's forget this idea of a planned economy as we are seenig happening and remove government from it altogther.

 

[letzrockexpress]

I don't need lectured on markets. I know how they should work.

If that's true, suck it up and move on...your argument doesn't hold any water.

THAT REALLY cracked up that meeting!!

I'll bet it did...They probably thought " Oh no , it's Rambo...humor him, maybe he'll go away"...

 

[layoutshooter]

"I'll bet it did...They probably thought " Oh no , it's Rambo...humor him, maybe he'll go away"..."

What really happened was after that round of town hall meetings that congressman did not run for re-election. I was asked to run for that seat but I refused it.

Rambo was not there, he lives in Brighton, Michigan. He lives on a lake and is a good friend of mine. He is a retired Michigan State trooper and is part owner of a custom muzzle loading rifle company.

AS to my house, I will suck it up. This was caused by government interference in the markets and if I want to come in here, or any forum anywhere, and let off some steam, I will!!

 

[mjolnir131]

Bush and Greenspan had 8 years..they did nothing, a feeble attempt at best

Most of the things effecting housing values that have been talked about here in the thread are totally in the states' governments area of control. the biggest states having these kind of issues MI,IL,CA,NJ to name 4 of the leaders, all have similar leadership archetypes mainly very a liberal, irresponsible spending, entitlement rich operation, not unlike what we voted into Washington this last election

 

[letzrockexpress]

What really happened was after that round of town hall meetings that congressman did not run for re-election. I was asked to run for that seat but I refused it.

Wow, you and Strom both representing the same state!! that would have been something....

 

[Oilerman1957]

Most of the things effecting housing values that have been talked about here in the thread are totally in the states' governments area of control. the biggest states having these kind of issues MI,IL,CA,NJ to name 4 of the leaders, all have similar leadership archetypes mainly very a liberal, irresponsible spending, entitlement rich operation, not unlike what we voted into Washington this last election[/QUOTERea


Really? what about florida, nevada, arizona? As far as michigan goes, that it probably do to a loss of so many jobs you cant even count, so people move out and leave to many available houses on the market

 

[layoutshooter]

Wow, you and Strom both representing the same state!! that would have been something....

Never happen. No party would allow me to run once they found out that I was not able to be controlled.

 

[layoutshooter]

"Really? what about florida, nevada, arizona? As far as michigan goes, that it probably do to a loss of so many jobs you cant even count, so people move out and leave to many available houses on the market[/QUOTE]"

There are many reasons that the jobs left Michigan, the liberal leadership is one of them. The anti-business attitude of the State. The anti-business attitude of much of the work force. The un-willingness of the area to diversify their industry. A poor education system. A anti-business tax code. Far too much of an entitlement attitude in the population. Too many leaches who are unwilling to work. It goes on and on. It will never change here until we really clean house, rewrite our tax code and quit paying bums not to work.

 

[Oilerman1957]

"Really? what about florida, nevada, arizona? As far as michigan goes, that it probably do to a loss of so many jobs you cant even count, so people move out and leave to many available houses on the market

"

There are many reasons that the jobs left Michigan, the liberal leadership is one of them. The anti-business attitude of the State. The anti-business attitude of much of the work force. The un-willingness of the area to diversify their industry. A poor education system. A anti-business tax code. Far too much of an entitlement attitude in the population. Too many leaches who are unwilling to work. It goes on and on. It will never change here until we really clean house, rewrite our tax code and quit paying bums not to work.[/QUOTE]

Is it anti-business to want to make a wage you can live on? Most of those jobs went overseas. I doubt if you would have had any better luck with a conversative leadership.

 

[chefdennis]

oiler wrote:

Is it anti-business to want to make a wage you can live on?

Oh so you are a "living wage" supporter huh!?! where is it written that you are entitled to anything more then an employer feel he can pay!?!?

People don't start businesses to employ people..they start a business to make money and a profit...they pay what the can that still lets them turn a profit...no one is entitled to a job or a wage...you are given the opportunity to provide your labor or service for a wage that the employer offers...if that doesn't work, then find a place that does......a job is not a birth right nor is a wage....heres and idea. adjust your lifestyle to fit the wage that is paid......instead of expecting the employer to maintain a lifestyle you feel entitled to....

 

[greg334]

OMG here we go again with the crappy quotes.

Look Michigan has lost population because of a lack of jobs. Most of those jobs could have been saved but the attitude of the people tied with the need to be a Manufacturing State and the fact that both the governor and the legislator are clueless has led to a exodus of talent to other states.

This dumba** governor has a great opportunity to do something right but she won't. Instead of having Jeff Daniels make money off of promoting the state and its wealth of beauty, hit NY, NJ, CT, and MD with ads talking about our taxes and cheap realestate - how you can make money in michigan instead of paying all them taxes.

 

[mjolnir131]

layout you forgot union greed and management not having a clue ,most of GMs leadership is still clueless as to why there products don't sell well.

lets see what more idiotic choosing to have a zero and hour job or a 10 dollar and hour job. making it more favorable to pack up and move must be the right answer

 

[greg334]

Ah they are not clueless, it is called arrogance.

"We produced the best electric car on the market, the Volt"

"We lead the world in electric car technology"

What's wrong with those statements?

 

[Oilerman1957]

oiler wrote:



Oh so you are a "living wage" supporter huh!?! where is it written that you are entitled to anything more then an employer feel he can pay!?!?

People don't start businesses to employ people..they start a business to make money and a profit...they pay what the can that still lets them turn a profit...no one is entitled to a job or a wage...you are given the opportunity to provide your labor or service for a wage that the employer offers...if that doesn't work, then find a place that does......a job is not a birth right nor is a wage....heres and idea. adjust your lifestyle to fit the wage that is paid......instead of expecting the employer to maintain a lifestyle you feel entitled to....

My wage was offered to me, you dont make sense. It was offered when i got hired. I dont think im entitled to anything, i worked for what i have, sorry you took jobs that didnt pay you well.

 

[chefdennis]

Thats right you excepted what was offered and if that had not been what you felt you should get, you wouldn't have taken the job at least i wouldn't have...but when you talk of a person should be paid a "living wage" that has nothing to do with what the employer my pay...what you can live on is probably totally different then what i can live on.....so our "living wage" would be totally different....

An since most of my working life, i have been self employed, the boss always paid me what he could, not what i might have wanted...as a business owner there were more then a few times i went without a wage so the employees could be paid...thats how employers of small businesses work before the cashflow comes in......and i don't pay any of my employees a "living wage"... i pay them what the job they are doing is worth at the time, if it is enough for them to live on, great, if not, then they have some decisions to make......

Between my wife and i we own 5 businesses, our employees are "contract employees" and number from 4-12 any any given time....some are professionals and make a very good wage for the time they contract with us others make what we offer them, and to be honest, i don't care if they can "live" on it...as i said in another post, people start businesses to make a profit, not to employ people.....people exchange their labor or service for a wage, as long as the 2 agree, then its a fair wage, if its not agreeable at any given time, then as i said, the employee has decisions to make.....

Oh and as "contract employees" they are issued a 1099...id be willing to bet most if not all of them do not pay taxes on that 1099......

 

[Oilerman1957]

Thats right you excepted what was offered and if that had not been what you felt you should get, you wouldn't have taken the job at least i wouldn't have...but when you talk of a person should be paid a "living wage" that has nothing to do with what the employer my pay...what you can live on is probably totally different then what i can live on.....so our "living wage" would be totally different....

An since most of my working life, i have been self employed, the boss always paid me what he could, not what i might have wanted...as a business owner there were more then a few times i went without a wage so the employees could be paid...thats how employers of small businesses work before the cashflow comes in......and i don't pay any of my employees a "living wage"... i pay them what the job they are doing is worth at the time, if it is enough for them to live on, great, if not, then they have some decisions to make......

Between my wife and i we own 5 businesses, our employees are "contract employees" and number from 4-12 any any given time....some are professionals and make a very good wage for the time they contract with us others make what we offer them, and to be honest, i don't care if they can "live" on it...as i said in another post, people start businesses to make a profit, not to employ people.....people exchange their labor or service for a wage, as long as the 2 agree, then its a fair wage, if its not agreeable at any given time, then as i said, the employee has decisions to make.....

Oh and as "contract employees" they are issued a 1099...id be willing to bet most if not all of them do not pay taxes on that 1099......

Your speaking of small businesses, Im speaking of large corporations, 2 different things

 

[chefdennis]

Oh so as long its a Big Corp, they are evil and will screw their employees at any given opportunity and should be forced to provide jobs and a living wage and provide health insurance no matter if their buttom line can afford it our not and be forced to allow their employees to be represented by a union!?!?....and if you take the time to find out what a "small business" is you will find that most factories that are incorporated and have 250 employees are a small business......