Bush takes his time, but does the right thing

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
It is about time he did the right thing in this case, although it should have been a full pardon, but he couldn't do that and still protect his buddy johnny sutton:

Bush commutes sentences of former US border agents

Jan 19 01:03 PM US/Eastern
By DEB RIECHMANN
Associated Press Writer
Bush commutes sentences of former US border agents


WASHINGTON (AP) - In his final acts of clemency, President George W. Bush on Monday commuted the prison sentences of two former U.S. Border Patrol agents whose convictions for shooting a Mexican drug dealer ignited fierce debate about illegal immigration.
Bush's decision to commute the sentences of Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean, who tried to cover up the shooting, was welcomed by both Republican and Democratic members of Congress. They had long argued that the agents were merely doing their jobs, defending the American border against criminals. They also maintained that the more than 10-year prison sentences the pair was given were too harsh.

Rancor over their convictions, sentencing and firings has simmered ever since the shooting occurred in 2005.

Ramos and Compean became a rallying point among conservatives and on talk shows where their supporters called them heroes. Nearly the entire bipartisan congressional delegation from Texas and other lawmakers from both sides of the political aisle pleaded with Bush to grant them clemency.

Bush didn't pardon the men for their crimes, but decided instead to commute their prison sentences because he believed they were excessive and that they had already suffered the loss of their jobs, freedom and reputations, a senior administration official said.

The action by the president, who believes the border agents received fair trials and that the verdicts were just, does not diminish the seriousness of their crimes, the official said.

Compean and Ramos, who have served about two years of their sentences, are expected to be released from prison within the next two months.

They were convicted of shooting admitted drug smuggler Osvaldo Aldrete Davila in the buttocks as he fled across the Rio Grande, away from an abandoned van load of marijuana. The border agents argued during their trials that they believed the smuggler was armed and that they shot him in self defense. The prosecutor in the case said there was no evidence linking the smuggler to the van of marijuana. The prosecutor also said the border agents didn't report the shooting and tampered with evidence by picking up several spent shell casings.

The agents were fired after their convictions on several charges, including assault with a dangerous weapon and with serious bodily injury, violation of civil rights and obstruction of justice. All their convictions, except obstruction of justice, were upheld on appeal.

With the new acts of clemency, Bush has granted a total of 189 pardons and 11 commutations.
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
He only sorta did the right thing. The right thing would have been to award BOTH of them medals and gave them back thier jobs, with promotions. ANYONE who shoots a drug dealer, hopefully with more permenent results, should be put on a pedistal. Whether you agree or dis-agree with current drug laws, these dealers are just plain human garbage. Just as the boot-leggers during prohibition. That law was wrong but they were worse than the law. I might even go as far as to say drug dealers are worse than Obama but I will have to think a bit more on that one. Layoutshooter
 

theoldprof

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Have to agree with layoutshooter on this one. They were fired, are felons and can never be in law enforcement again. Should have gotten a full pardon and gotten their badges back.
 

blizzard2014

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Driver
He only sorta did the right thing. The right thing would have been to award BOTH of them medals and gave them back thier jobs, with promotions. Layoutshooter

While I agree that their sentences were too harsh, I do also believe that they did deserve to lose their careers and at least serve some jail time. The act of shooting an armed or unarmed drug dealer is not the problem here. However what is the problem is that these two border patrol agents discharged their weapons and then lied about it. Every time a peace officer discharges a firearm there needs to be an internal investigation. What these two did was very dangerous and they deserve to be in the position that they are in today.
 

Tennesseahawk

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While I agree that their sentences were too harsh, I do also believe that they did deserve to lose their careers and at least serve some jail time. The act of shooting an armed or unarmed drug dealer is not the problem here. However what is the problem is that these two border patrol agents discharged their weapons and then lied about it. Every time a peace officer discharges a firearm there needs to be an internal investigation. What these two did was very dangerous and they deserve to be in the position that they are in today.

Bingo! No excuse for breaking the rules if they thought they were justified. What they did was wrong. I applaude them because the drug dealer was more wrong.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
so much for our esteemed "armchair" politicians!!

Last month I asked this very question...all I got was a big fat NO......because of Bushes buddy buddy with the AG down there....

The case is still pending in the Supreme Court....hopefully they'll be exonerated for the shooting BUT convicted of the cover up....I agrre with the bliz....if it were justified WHY lie and cover up...unprofessional conduct should be fired...
 

mrgoodtude

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He only sorta did the right thing. The right thing would have been to award BOTH of them medals and gave them back thier jobs, with promotions. ANYONE who shoots a drug dealer, hopefully with more permenent results, should be put on a pedistal. Whether you agree or dis-agree with current drug laws, these dealers are just plain human garbage. Just as the boot-leggers during prohibition. That law was wrong but they were worse than the law. I might even go as far as to say drug dealers are worse than Obama but I will have to think a bit more on that one. Layoutshooter
And I would totally agree:eek:
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Johnny Sutton needs to be brought up on charges of malicious prosecution.

They brought it on themselves....IF they had stayed the course and come clean and report it as it happened nothing would have come of it...BUT they chose to lie and cover up a supposed justified kill.....
They were officers and upholders of the law and they lied....good thing is there is one less dealer...and 2 less dirty cops/border patrol...

Better to trust a thief then a liar...
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
The bum that they shot was NOT killed. If I remember correctly he was shot in the butt. Which is kinda how it should be since drug dealers are a real pain in the *ss anyway!! As to thier lies, I sorta, while not agreeing with it, understand it. We as a nation don't protect our borders, don't support those who try to protect our borders. We as a nation excuse criminals to a large degree. We assume that when law inforcement uses deadly force that they are most likely wrong. We have very screwed up prioritys in this country. Layoutshooter
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
The bum that they shot was NOT killed. If I remember correctly he was shot in the butt. Which is kinda how it should be since drug dealers are a real pain in the *ss anyway!! As to thier lies, I sorta, while not agreeing with it, understand it. We as a nation don't protect our borders, don't support those who try to protect our borders. We as a nation excuse criminals to a large degree. We assume that when law inforcement uses deadly force that they are most likely wrong. We have very screwed up prioritys in this country. Layoutshooter

I agree to your point...they thought he was armed, but was otherwise and I think panic sunk in knowing the heat they would take.....because we don't back up our law officers and always assume the worse....its creating a bad enviroment for them....
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
Just as with truck drivers, airline pilots, gun buyers etc, we assume guilt, despite what the Constitution says and force, drug testing, backround checks etc. We assume guilt for most everyone for that matter, except criminals and polititions. Layoutshooter
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Just as with truck drivers, airline pilots, gun buyers etc, we assume guilt, despite what the Constitution says and force, drug testing, backround checks etc. We assume guilt for most everyone for that matter, except criminals and polititions. Layoutshooter

Layout...just think about your background:confused: Intell? and now truck driver:confused:

That make you what? *LMAO*
 
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