Just a really nice guy

cheri1122

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Aristotle: "perverse alternative lifestyles"? According to some folks, (well, my mother, at least) that is exactly what I'm doing, driving a truck, solo. :eek:
You want to remember that the freedoms your ancestors fought to defend include the freedom of religion - which includes the freedom to choose no religion, as well. We dishonor their sacrifices when we demand that everyone follow the teachings of our chosen religion, IMO.
Does anyone think that John McCain will address the issue of mental illness, and the lack of available treatment for it, in America? Because that's the root cause of every shooting rampage, isn't it?
 

OntarioVanMan

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Aristotle: "perverse alternative lifestyles"?

Cheri..I think he was referring to being gay...But your statement still fits...the right to chose and the feedom is what his and yours mine fought for....I really don't think they itemized and fought for specif items....ALL peoples are free to chose whatever they would like to do and how they do it!! There is no fine print in freedom or conditions of said freedoms...
 

cheri1122

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OVM, I know what he meant - I was just pointing out how his description (of a behavior of which he clearly disapproves) could be stretched to cover me. And you, too. Because my mother certainly disapproves of the way I've chosen to earn a living!
But I was also pointing out that describing gays as following a 'perverse alternative lifestyle' is rooted in religion, not in fact, and freedom of religion that doesn't include freedom from religion, isn't freedom at all, IMO.
Aristotle may not like it, but the 'perverse alternative lifestyle" chosen by some folks, whether it's sexual or occupational, is EXACTLY what freedom is all about. Mine, yours, and theirs, too.
 

layoutshooter

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Geez guys, since when was being gay, lesbian, American Indian or what ever any business of the President of the United States? Or health care for physical or mental illness? Or broken levees? Or forest fires? Or mortgage failures? Or credit card debt? Get my drift? Let's get the constitution out and elect a man/woman/tranny what ever that is qualified for the job as written. McCain is not, Osama Obama is not. Republicans have not put forth one valid agrument. Demacrats have done little but b*tch, moan and complain. Bush caused Katrina according to them. If he has that much power why would you want to mess with him? Grow up, politics is important, treat it that way. Read the document, and vote according to what it requires. Think you can do that? By the way, what is the difference between a democracy and a republic? What about the difference between a republic and socialism? Or capitolism and communism. A freely elected government or a dictatorship? If you cannot answer those questions, stay home in November, you don't have clue what this is all about. Layoutshooterc
 

OntarioVanMan

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just a question...don't fire....you said.."Read the document, and vote according to what it requires" And YOU say neither is qualfied and thats just your opinion? And nobody elses matter? And just how many have voted to these requirements? One? Two? or all that voted for the person you endorsed?
 

always confused

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That's how the monster with his shotgun was described by his neighbors,all of them,after he opened fire in a sunday school.But the fact,according to his letter,that the guy went nuts after learning that gays and lesbians were now welcome in a local community church,and it was in Tennesee,just seems so appropriate to me.
I mean,whats the big deal,he was just exercising his God (and NRA) given right to blast away and mabe hit a :censoredsign: or :censoredsign: or maybe even two, better yet!. Hell,2 less we need to bother with.
A sick time we are living,may God have mercy on us all.Germany looks like a civilized Wonderland compared to what we have come to call a "common occurance" in America.Those who fought and died in WW2 fought against such inhumanity and insanity,many of them must be rolling their graves . Paticulary those that freed the consentration camp survivors,with many gays amongest them..

i take exception to your 'his god (and NRA) given right' the right is to be able to own and therefore be able to use firearms/ the unsaid portion is responsibly. neither god or the nra condone 'blasting away' at anybody. in theory use for self defense is allowed, but in many parts of the country you will need a good lawyer if you do. as pointed out in other responses nut cases aren't as frequent in the 'south' as some other regions of our nation.

as to vets rolling in their graves, i'm afraid that if they are 'looking down on us' there is little of our national life style of today they can relate too. gays, taxes, rampant crime, open borders, decline of church attendance (much less membership) drug abuse, teen sexuality, and etc. ... ..... yes all these things exsisted in the fourties, and even before, but in such a different context.
 

OntarioVanMan

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so whats changed? from the roaring 20's to the dirty 30's?

Gang warfare, drive by shootings, dirty, politicians, drugs, booze, prostitution ,gays, shotgun weddings, std's.. same o same o....the players have changed the games the same.....
 

LDB

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Retired Expediter
Don't be confused and don't get bothered by liberal leftists who have no clue. All the left can see is their flawed view of the nation and their desired meanings of the Constitution. Truth and facts mean nothing. The intent of the Constitution means nothing. Only the opportunity to rail against those things as they actually are.
 

cheri1122

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One thing that's changed: the candidates. Where are the sort of people who wrote the Declaration of Independence & the Constitution? Where are the folks who put the good of the country ahead of everything else, including their own?:confused:
 

OntarioVanMan

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One thing that's changed: the candidates. Where are the sort of people who wrote the Declaration of Independence & the Constitution? Where are the folks who put the good of the country ahead of everything else, including their own?:confused:

I think that was a one shot deal....it's never been like that since that time....The first politician that took lobby money, things have never been the same..
 

aristotle

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Mon Cheri... on purely scientific grounds, we as a species have only two biological imperatives: eat and reproduce, solely to ensure survival of the species. If some prefer to participate in unnatural acts, no skin off my nose. They are choosing to remove themselves from the gene pool. That's pretty close to poetic justice. I never invoked religion in my response to tallcal. Perhaps, those with a troubled conscience might jump to that conclusion. Mischief-makers always resent conforming to societal norms.
Even though you and I may disagree, I respect your right to hold your own views and express them. The shooter in Knoxville was not necessarily mentally ill. Most definitely, he was Evil. Will you concede Evil exists independently of mental illness? I harbor no ill will. But there is a wide chasm between tolerance and acceptance. Acceptance is a bridge too far.
 

OntarioVanMan

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Mon Cheri... on purely scientific grounds, we as a species have only two biological imperatives: eat and reproduce, solely to ensure survival of the species. If some prefer to participate in unnatural acts, no skin off my nose. They are choosing to remove themselves from the gene pool. That's pretty close to poetic justice. I never invoked religion in my response to tallcal. Perhaps, those with a troubled conscience might jump to that conclusion. Mischief-makers always resent conforming to societal norms.
Even though you and I may disagree, I respect your right to hold your own views and express them. The shooter in Knoxville was not necessarily mentally ill. Most definitely, he was Evil. Will you concede Evil exists independently of mental illness? I harbor no ill will. But there is a wide chasm between tolerance and acceptance. Acceptance is a bridge too far.

If he were mentally ill he wouldn't be necessarily evil....as you said there is a difference....
 

aristotle

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OVM... likewise, if he was Evil,which he is, that does not necessarily make him mentally ill. He could be one or the other or both. The kind of horrendous crime happens much too frequently. Yet, tallcal thought it was fitting it should happen in the South. That, my friend is bigotry.
 

OntarioVanMan

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OVM... likewise, if he was Evil,which he is, that does not necessarily make him mentally ill. He could be one or the other or both. The kind of horrendous crime happens much too frequently. Yet, tallcal thought it was fitting it should happen in the South. That, my friend is bigotry.

Maybe bigotry and alot of tit for tat....some people here have been deriding Cali as the root of all evil...I think that was just Cals way of fighting back...getting even...or even to point out that horrendous crimes happen everywhere not just Cali...
 

OntarioVanMan

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I notice tallcal has gone silent. Is it his custom to toss a rhetorical hand grenade and hide?

He's not the only one that does that....Many ask a question and never seem to return to the subject for a response to that question...drives me crazy...
 

cheri1122

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Mon Cheri... on purely scientific grounds, we as a species have only two biological imperatives: eat and reproduce, solely to ensure survival of the species.
We need to breathe, too - you left that out.:p
If some prefer to participate in unnatural acts, no skin off my nose.
Then why mention them? And who gets to define "natural"? As I mentioned, my mother, (among others) thinks that I'm unnatural, because I enjoy driving a truck! Should I follow my own mind, or someone else's ideas of what's natural?
They are choosing to remove themselves from the gene pool. That's pretty close to poetic justice.
I don't believe that choice has anything to do with it, and science is proving that to be true. BTW: is it 'poetic justice' when a heterosexual couple cannot reproduce?
I never invoked religion in my response to tallcal.
No, you didn't - but it was right there, in your words, "perverse unnatural lifestyles" (or whatever words you used), clear as day.
Perhaps, those with a troubled conscience might jump to that conclusion.
If you're referring to me, my conscience is quite clear, I assure you. I follow my own moral code, and am pretty content with who I am, what I have done, and am doing now - I like myself, now.
(I didn't always, when I let others define who I 'ought' to be)
Mischief-makers always resent conforming to societal norms.
Well, all I can say to that is that we're fortunate to have 'mischief makers', like, Galileo, Patrick Henry, Abraham Lincoln.....I think we need more of them!

Even though you and I may disagree, I respect your right to hold your own views and express them.
Thanks - it's mutual. Along with the right to challenge statements, yes?
The shooter in Knoxville was not necessarily mentally ill. Most definitely, he was Evil. Will you concede Evil exists independently of mental illness?
I don't know what you mean by 'evil', exactly (it is a very subjective term - but if you are capitalizing it because you think of it as an actual entity, then no, I won't concede that.) I have certainly felt like killing someone, but would not do it, (I think), because it goes against my moral beliefs. Sociopaths have no such restraints, and are therefore mentally ill. Good mental health requires a regard for others, as well as for ones self, because "No man is an island", truly. We are interdependent, and must coexist, to survive.
I harbor no ill will. But there is a wide chasm between tolerance and acceptance. Acceptance is a bridge too far.
Nice words, but meaningless, to me. What, exactly, is the difference? If you truly 'harbor no ill will', then you wouldn't be condemning, now, would you?
 

Black Sheep

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Maybe bigotry and alot of tit for tat....some people here have been deriding Cali as the root of all evil...I think that was just Cals way of fighting back...getting even...or even to point out that horrendous crimes happen everywhere not just Cali...


That's not the case...just read the title of the thread: "Just a really nice guy"...
"That's how the monster with his shotgun was described by his neighbors,all of them,after he opened fire in a sunday school....and it was in Tennesee,just seems so appropriate to me."

First of all, that's NOT how all of the shooter's neighbors described him; that statement is pure fiction, a bald-faced lie. The next conclusion is that it's appropriate to T/c that Tennesseans would accomodate this homocidal maniac since he supposedly was aiming his wrath at homosexuals, which was probably not the case since this was an audience of parents and family that came to see their childrens' musical performance of "Annie Jr".

This is not the first time this guy has taken unprovoked cheap shots at the South and Southerners, and it becomes more obvious with each lame attempt at a put-down that he knows nothing about the Southern US and its culture. I haven't seen any posts claiming that CA is the "root of all evil", and we all know that every part of the country has these wierdos. Just re-read the title of the thread and the first paragraph again. Aristotle was right when he said that the attitude on display there is bigotry, and it's based on a false premise to boot.
 

cheri1122

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TallCall's appearances here are kind of irregular, but I can assure you, he isn't ducking the argument, lol - he will respond, in his own time. And, I look forward to reading his posts, too.:D
 

ThibodeauxBayou

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He's not the only one that does that....Many ask a question and never seem to return to the subject for a response to that question...drives me crazy...







On the other side of that coin, is the individual who responds to virtually every question , often never addressing the subject. How many times can you squeeze in RV'er,ROI,Luck ? Now, that's crazy.

But, as been said a hundred times.............nevermind.
 
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