arkjarhead
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tallcal douche bags like you make me laugh. go out in the street and burn your training bra.}>
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greg334
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OHHHHH, I see tallcal. Please PLEASE stop using the dem's talking points.
Tell me Tallcal, is evil an non-elected official who tried to make laws, determine policy and tell us what to do with our lives and our money, AND who is not accountable to anyone,has assumed power without going through the proper procedures, an executive order or following the laws by going through congress for approval?
If you know about history (not revised history accroding to Anderson Cooper) especially the history of Germany, Soviet Union under Stalin and other countries where the people were/are oppressed, the leadership always - I mean always have went down the same exact path to power as this person has been traveling.
This person is your beloved Hillary, who for what ever purpose should have been silenced right from the beginning, who was not elected but allowed to spend our money on something that would have ruined the country in a short time and is a person who belives in the oppression of the individual without a doubt.
For what ever reason, there is no more evil than her in our history.
Tell me Tallcal, is evil an non-elected official who tried to make laws, determine policy and tell us what to do with our lives and our money, AND who is not accountable to anyone,has assumed power without going through the proper procedures, an executive order or following the laws by going through congress for approval?
If you know about history (not revised history accroding to Anderson Cooper) especially the history of Germany, Soviet Union under Stalin and other countries where the people were/are oppressed, the leadership always - I mean always have went down the same exact path to power as this person has been traveling.
This person is your beloved Hillary, who for what ever purpose should have been silenced right from the beginning, who was not elected but allowed to spend our money on something that would have ruined the country in a short time and is a person who belives in the oppression of the individual without a doubt.
For what ever reason, there is no more evil than her in our history.
I would define wasting one's vote as not voting in a given election and also as casting the vote for someone with no chance of winning just to make a point. Ideological reasons aside, the winner is either going to be evil or EVIL if recent past history is any indication. Perot proved that EVIL can and will win if votes are wasted.
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tallcal101
Veteran Expediter
We are suppose to keep it civil Ark.The D bag reference is civil in your neck of the woods,I know that,but I don't live there.
tallcal101
Veteran Expediter
OK Mr. Smarty pants,for one thing,you never heard me sing Hillary's praises's.I happen to NOT be a fan.The issue is evil,lets stay on topic.Another head rolled today my friend,in case you had not noticed.This is the evil empire,and history will record it as such.
As a private citizen,Hillary could do whatever she wanted,including assisting in writing a proposed piece of legislation.I don't remeber the indictment coming down,and I sure as hell don't see alot of evil in the act.
If your so blinded by Bill O and his crew that you really can't see the face of evil in these morons then you are further down the brain washed road then I previous believed.Livin the dream Greg,go for it dude!!
As a private citizen,Hillary could do whatever she wanted,including assisting in writing a proposed piece of legislation.I don't remeber the indictment coming down,and I sure as hell don't see alot of evil in the act.
If your so blinded by Bill O and his crew that you really can't see the face of evil in these morons then you are further down the brain washed road then I previous believed.Livin the dream Greg,go for it dude!!
"Master Po, it's getting hot in here."
Tallcal, ok, I believe you when you say you are not a Hil fan.
As a partisan, in your opinion do you see ANY viable possibles for your party at this time? Someone who may address the issues at hand right now? Wartime footing, chances are we will still be well entrenched by election time, who can best serve folks like you that believe the current administration is evil incarnate?
And I still would like an honest answer, what would YOU do about Iraq RIGHT THIS SECOND if somebody handed you the ball?
By the way, I'm slightly miffed that you would assume that all conservatives or libertarians like Bill O'Reilly. Personally I think he's the tired old radio shock jock he always tried to be. Pass me that icy Dos Equis would you?
Tallcal, ok, I believe you when you say you are not a Hil fan.
As a partisan, in your opinion do you see ANY viable possibles for your party at this time? Someone who may address the issues at hand right now? Wartime footing, chances are we will still be well entrenched by election time, who can best serve folks like you that believe the current administration is evil incarnate?
And I still would like an honest answer, what would YOU do about Iraq RIGHT THIS SECOND if somebody handed you the ball?
By the way, I'm slightly miffed that you would assume that all conservatives or libertarians like Bill O'Reilly. Personally I think he's the tired old radio shock jock he always tried to be. Pass me that icy Dos Equis would you?
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Tallcal, Yes I am Mr. Smarty Pants, thanks for the compliment. I am laughing so hard I almost p*ssed my pants over that, no disrespect.
Seriously, the subject is evil, I stand on my Hillary is evil position. You can say that the present administration is evil, that’s alright because I happen to agree with your comments due to the invader problem and a lack of concern over the destruction of our country. Outside of that, I think Bush has done an ok job with what has been going on and I thank God that neither Kerry or Gore were elected and pray McCain goes away.
But with that said, I have to ask, are you serious that you thought Hillary is a private citizen?
You must be joking?
She has single handedly elevated the position of first lady to co-president (baring Edith Wilson) and for some odd reason I can’t see defining private citizen as she did with the fact that she had a complete staff, reviewed FBI files, had control over administration services (ah white house travel office and the firing of people who had been there for 30 plus years) and had both open and closed door (a.k.a. secret) meetings about changes in major policies and laws that span both federal and state level without being an elected official in any way shape or form and at tax payer expense. I think what she pulled off wasn't all that bad seeing she came with the bagage to the whilte house on Bill's ticket. If Laura Bush did anything close to having a meeting to discuss country policy issues in closed door meetings, would you go along with this because Hillary did it?
As I am sitting here, I am wondering what gives you the idea that I am brainwashed by someone I don’t listen to and don’t really like?
With my vast truly balance intake of news and comment, I can't see the word brainwashed being applicible to me.
Seriously, the subject is evil, I stand on my Hillary is evil position. You can say that the present administration is evil, that’s alright because I happen to agree with your comments due to the invader problem and a lack of concern over the destruction of our country. Outside of that, I think Bush has done an ok job with what has been going on and I thank God that neither Kerry or Gore were elected and pray McCain goes away.
But with that said, I have to ask, are you serious that you thought Hillary is a private citizen?
You must be joking?
She has single handedly elevated the position of first lady to co-president (baring Edith Wilson) and for some odd reason I can’t see defining private citizen as she did with the fact that she had a complete staff, reviewed FBI files, had control over administration services (ah white house travel office and the firing of people who had been there for 30 plus years) and had both open and closed door (a.k.a. secret) meetings about changes in major policies and laws that span both federal and state level without being an elected official in any way shape or form and at tax payer expense. I think what she pulled off wasn't all that bad seeing she came with the bagage to the whilte house on Bill's ticket. If Laura Bush did anything close to having a meeting to discuss country policy issues in closed door meetings, would you go along with this because Hillary did it?
As I am sitting here, I am wondering what gives you the idea that I am brainwashed by someone I don’t listen to and don’t really like?
With my vast truly balance intake of news and comment, I can't see the word brainwashed being applicible to me.
tallcal101
Veteran Expediter
I did'nt even have a beer and I said it!Greg,your a very bright guy,and I need to see myself as you see yourself at times.I'm trying to be a spokeman for a great number of Americans,and often made to feel like I'm just a sore old hippie.Or a D Bag!!Love ya Ark,you know that.
It is a constant battle to get up the couage to voice the opposition in strong terms,then sit back and "feel the love".So,I fight back,and know I'm speaking for more then myself.Perhaps not on this forum,but then again this is where I need to be heard.I'm an Expediter,it's how I earn my money(part of it anyway)and have a strong desire to be heard(don't care about being liked).
I have been who I am for many years (60 this time around)and want whats best for this country,just as you all do.Call me what you want(brainwashed seems to be a favorite,at last count I have been called this 27 times).
I do not support Hillary,and see the same thing many of you see.This is recent,and I'm certainly not ashamed to admit it.If she wins the ticket,I will have to make some hard choices,but I will make them.Goin to bed,I'm Bushed(LOL)
It is a constant battle to get up the couage to voice the opposition in strong terms,then sit back and "feel the love".So,I fight back,and know I'm speaking for more then myself.Perhaps not on this forum,but then again this is where I need to be heard.I'm an Expediter,it's how I earn my money(part of it anyway)and have a strong desire to be heard(don't care about being liked).
I have been who I am for many years (60 this time around)and want whats best for this country,just as you all do.Call me what you want(brainwashed seems to be a favorite,at last count I have been called this 27 times).
I do not support Hillary,and see the same thing many of you see.This is recent,and I'm certainly not ashamed to admit it.If she wins the ticket,I will have to make some hard choices,but I will make them.Goin to bed,I'm Bushed(LOL)
Tallcal, how about humoring the rest of us and just answering my simple questions about a solution to the problem that you find as an evil curse hanging over all of us? Please, I 'm sure I'm not the only one that would love to hear what your patch to the hemmorage is.
tallcal101
Veteran Expediter
We need leadership made up of leaders,not cowboys,for starters.We need leaders who were chosen by their parties for their ability and not their name,then groomed and told what to say.We need term limits for lifer politicians.Our country is divided as a result of years of infighting and back stabbing and using our judicial system to chase the other guy,spending millions on special proscutors.
Hang em high and move on to the next one.It seems when we do come togehter as a nation 3000 people have to die.Whats that about?
It's really kind of amazing that we non politicians who live in a free country(so we are told)can't speak as one.Why can't we conclude that we all know a decent,bright fair minded individual when we see one.Regardless of race,gender,sexual orientation or any of the multitude of criteria that seem to have resulted in our putting a W in office,for 2 terms!!Is he really the best we can do?
But then,in saying that,it just opens the can of worms called"well he's better the Gore or Kerry"?Really,how do we know that?Because O Reily says so?Well there you have it.We are back to square one,defending our side and throwing spears at the other side.And jumping on headlines to make our point.And getting the blood preasure up at that liberal good for nothing big mouth Tallcal.My response?In the words of our leader,"bring em on".And the debate goes on.
Hang em high and move on to the next one.It seems when we do come togehter as a nation 3000 people have to die.Whats that about?
It's really kind of amazing that we non politicians who live in a free country(so we are told)can't speak as one.Why can't we conclude that we all know a decent,bright fair minded individual when we see one.Regardless of race,gender,sexual orientation or any of the multitude of criteria that seem to have resulted in our putting a W in office,for 2 terms!!Is he really the best we can do?
But then,in saying that,it just opens the can of worms called"well he's better the Gore or Kerry"?Really,how do we know that?Because O Reily says so?Well there you have it.We are back to square one,defending our side and throwing spears at the other side.And jumping on headlines to make our point.And getting the blood preasure up at that liberal good for nothing big mouth Tallcal.My response?In the words of our leader,"bring em on".And the debate goes on.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Tallcal,
Got to say some things make perfect sense while others .. well never mind. Look into the history of the special prosecutor and see where it was used.
Two things;
First why in the h*ll do you keep referring to Bill o’ Reilly? He has some good points but some rather bad points and I for one don’t listen/watch him and avoid his shows for a umber of reasons.
Second well to answer your question in your statement “But then,in saying that,it just opens the can of worms called"well he's better the Gore or Kerry"?Really,how do we know that?â€
Simple, the moral fiber of the two, ALGORE and kerry have come out after the elections and when they talk about issues, questionable and not withstanding pandering to people who think are important. This applies mainly to kerry with his number of comments about the country in a foreign country. His comments speak to his convictions and ethics and I for one am d*nm glad he is not president. ALGORE, well he wants to be president and I firmly believe that he has a credibility problem brewing with his “do as I say but not as I do†attitude and the global warming movement.
Got to say some things make perfect sense while others .. well never mind. Look into the history of the special prosecutor and see where it was used.
Two things;
First why in the h*ll do you keep referring to Bill o’ Reilly? He has some good points but some rather bad points and I for one don’t listen/watch him and avoid his shows for a umber of reasons.
Second well to answer your question in your statement “But then,in saying that,it just opens the can of worms called"well he's better the Gore or Kerry"?Really,how do we know that?â€
Simple, the moral fiber of the two, ALGORE and kerry have come out after the elections and when they talk about issues, questionable and not withstanding pandering to people who think are important. This applies mainly to kerry with his number of comments about the country in a foreign country. His comments speak to his convictions and ethics and I for one am d*nm glad he is not president. ALGORE, well he wants to be president and I firmly believe that he has a credibility problem brewing with his “do as I say but not as I do†attitude and the global warming movement.
If everyone who believed in a third party candidate voted for that candidate, there is a chance that person would be elected. In Minnesota we elected a third party candidate that had no chance of winning to be govenor. If a whack job, feather boa wearing wrestler from a third party can win a gubernatorial race, why not a viable national third party candidate for president.
Good point Moot..I am not up to speed yet on American politics the fine points but learning...
I am thinking if a viable 3rd party would come along right about now they could possibilly win..theres alot and growing distrust of both partys, I am just wondering why the general public has such a hard time adjusting to the 3rd party scenerio? I am not referring to some flash in the pan, pie in the sky 3rd party but a fundimentally sound and organized 3rd party. The 3rd party would have to stick around a few terms and show stableness and have a good platform.
Whata think of the (smartypants) gregg????*LOL*
I am thinking if a viable 3rd party would come along right about now they could possibilly win..theres alot and growing distrust of both partys, I am just wondering why the general public has such a hard time adjusting to the 3rd party scenerio? I am not referring to some flash in the pan, pie in the sky 3rd party but a fundimentally sound and organized 3rd party. The 3rd party would have to stick around a few terms and show stableness and have a good platform.
Whata think of the (smartypants) gregg????*LOL*
Moot...yes I've heard the split vote scenerio...Fact is seems a 3rd party is long overdue. People need more choices.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
OK I am going to say something seeing the smarty pants tag has been used again!
Look it is all good and well that we wish for things that will not happen and it is all good and well that we have hope but the viability of a third party candidate taking the White House is slim – you will have to have both candidates of the two major clown parties either stop running on election day or meet with a horrible accident.
What I mean is this, the third party candidates that have been running, like Nader, seems to have no appeal to the people who actually do the voting. Who has really captured the public’s attention? Who has even been in the spot light for the public to see? Jesse Jackson? Al sharpton? Those two come to mind because they have been on TV more than any candidate has been.
But it goes beyond just the people who are the face of the party, the issues really matter. The issues that many of these parties focus on are just things that the majority doesn’t care about. Ok let’s look at the libertarian party; a lot of members are for legalizing all drugs and are vocal that about this position and what party they belong to. I know that is just a small part of the party line and members but still that was my introduction to the libertarian party and a complete turn off for me about them.
As it stands, the major problems facing a third party is in order;
1. The press
2. The ideologies of the party
3. The face of the party
4. And the selling of the party
The reason we don’t have viable third party is for these reasons alone. In the case of Ventura, sorry Minnesotans, but I think that you got some bad Spam just before you went to vote and had hallucinations.
By the way here is a quick list of parties of the US taken from wiki;
* Alaskan Independence Party (1984 – present)
* Aloha Aina Party
* America First Party (2002 – present)
* American Heritage Party (2000 – present)
* American Independent Party (1968 – present)
* American Nazi Party (1959 - present)
* American Party (1969 – present)
* American Patriot Party (2003 – present)
* American Reform Party (1997 – present)
* Centrist Party (United States) (2006 - present)
* Charter Party of Cincinnati, Ohio (1924 – present)
* Christian Freedom Party (2004 – present)
* Communist League (US) (2004 – present)
* Communist Party USA (1919 – present)
* Connecticut for Lieberman Party (2006 – present)
* Conservative Party of New York (1962 – present)
* Covenant Party (Northern Mariana Islands)
* Free People's Movement (2002 – present)
* Freedom Road Socialist Organization (1969-present)
* Independence Party of Minnesota (1992 – present)
* Independence Party of New York (1991 – present)
* Independent American Party (1998 – present)
* Independent Citizens Movement (US Virgin Islands)
* Jefferson Republican Party
* Labor Party (1995 – present)
* Liberal Party of Minnesota
* Liberal Party of New York (1944 – present)
* Liberty Union Party (Vermont) (1970 – present)
* Marijuana Party (2002 – present)
* Marijuana Reform Party (New York) (1997 – present)
* Mountain Party (West Virginia) (2000 – present)
* National Socialist Movement (1974 – present)
* New Party (1992 – 1998)
* New Progressive Party of Puerto Rico (1967 – present)
* New Union Party (1974 – present)
* New York State Right to Life Party (1970 – present)
* Peace and Freedom Party (1967 – present)
* Personal Choice Party (1997 – present)
* Popular Democratic Party of Puerto Rico (1938 – present)
* Populist Party of Maryland (Nader 2004 - unrelated to earlier so-named parties)
* Populist Party of America (2002 – present)
* Prohibition Party (1867 – present)
* Puerto Rican Independence Party (1946 – present)
* Reform Party of the United States of America (1995 – present)
* Republican Moderate Party of Alaska (1986 – present)
* Socialist Action (1983 – present)
* Socialist Alternative (1986 – present)
* Socialist Equality Party (1953 – present)
* Socialist Labor Party (1876 – present)
* Socialist Party USA (1973 – present)
* Socialist Workers Party (1938 – present)
* Southern Party (1999 – present)
* Southern Independence Party
* United Party (Idaho) (2005 – present)
* United Citizens Party (1969 – present)
* Vermont Progressive Party (1999 – present)
* Workers Party, USA
* Workers World Party (1959 – present)
* Working Families Party (1998 – present)
* World Socialist Party of the United States (1916 – present)
Oh yea, a split vote - read about the 1912 election.
Look it is all good and well that we wish for things that will not happen and it is all good and well that we have hope but the viability of a third party candidate taking the White House is slim – you will have to have both candidates of the two major clown parties either stop running on election day or meet with a horrible accident.
What I mean is this, the third party candidates that have been running, like Nader, seems to have no appeal to the people who actually do the voting. Who has really captured the public’s attention? Who has even been in the spot light for the public to see? Jesse Jackson? Al sharpton? Those two come to mind because they have been on TV more than any candidate has been.
But it goes beyond just the people who are the face of the party, the issues really matter. The issues that many of these parties focus on are just things that the majority doesn’t care about. Ok let’s look at the libertarian party; a lot of members are for legalizing all drugs and are vocal that about this position and what party they belong to. I know that is just a small part of the party line and members but still that was my introduction to the libertarian party and a complete turn off for me about them.
As it stands, the major problems facing a third party is in order;
1. The press
2. The ideologies of the party
3. The face of the party
4. And the selling of the party
The reason we don’t have viable third party is for these reasons alone. In the case of Ventura, sorry Minnesotans, but I think that you got some bad Spam just before you went to vote and had hallucinations.
By the way here is a quick list of parties of the US taken from wiki;
* Alaskan Independence Party (1984 – present)
* Aloha Aina Party
* America First Party (2002 – present)
* American Heritage Party (2000 – present)
* American Independent Party (1968 – present)
* American Nazi Party (1959 - present)
* American Party (1969 – present)
* American Patriot Party (2003 – present)
* American Reform Party (1997 – present)
* Centrist Party (United States) (2006 - present)
* Charter Party of Cincinnati, Ohio (1924 – present)
* Christian Freedom Party (2004 – present)
* Communist League (US) (2004 – present)
* Communist Party USA (1919 – present)
* Connecticut for Lieberman Party (2006 – present)
* Conservative Party of New York (1962 – present)
* Covenant Party (Northern Mariana Islands)
* Free People's Movement (2002 – present)
* Freedom Road Socialist Organization (1969-present)
* Independence Party of Minnesota (1992 – present)
* Independence Party of New York (1991 – present)
* Independent American Party (1998 – present)
* Independent Citizens Movement (US Virgin Islands)
* Jefferson Republican Party
* Labor Party (1995 – present)
* Liberal Party of Minnesota
* Liberal Party of New York (1944 – present)
* Liberty Union Party (Vermont) (1970 – present)
* Marijuana Party (2002 – present)
* Marijuana Reform Party (New York) (1997 – present)
* Mountain Party (West Virginia) (2000 – present)
* National Socialist Movement (1974 – present)
* New Party (1992 – 1998)
* New Progressive Party of Puerto Rico (1967 – present)
* New Union Party (1974 – present)
* New York State Right to Life Party (1970 – present)
* Peace and Freedom Party (1967 – present)
* Personal Choice Party (1997 – present)
* Popular Democratic Party of Puerto Rico (1938 – present)
* Populist Party of Maryland (Nader 2004 - unrelated to earlier so-named parties)
* Populist Party of America (2002 – present)
* Prohibition Party (1867 – present)
* Puerto Rican Independence Party (1946 – present)
* Reform Party of the United States of America (1995 – present)
* Republican Moderate Party of Alaska (1986 – present)
* Socialist Action (1983 – present)
* Socialist Alternative (1986 – present)
* Socialist Equality Party (1953 – present)
* Socialist Labor Party (1876 – present)
* Socialist Party USA (1973 – present)
* Socialist Workers Party (1938 – present)
* Southern Party (1999 – present)
* Southern Independence Party
* United Party (Idaho) (2005 – present)
* United Citizens Party (1969 – present)
* Vermont Progressive Party (1999 – present)
* Workers Party, USA
* Workers World Party (1959 – present)
* Working Families Party (1998 – present)
* World Socialist Party of the United States (1916 – present)
Oh yea, a split vote - read about the 1912 election.
Gregg..they are all active partys???
And not one can show a solid platform? Can't field a decent candidate??
As my sister in law just said as the house session has ended this week and I quote her...I’ve had about all I the politically correctness I can handle. My friend and political mentor, former Senator Eric Bogue, told me that “you will know you’ve arrived when you can tell someone to go to Hell in such as way that makes him look forward to the tripâ€
She's (R) House Rep State of South Dakota District 28B first time elect!
As my sister in law just said as the house session has ended this week and I quote her...I’ve had about all I the politically correctness I can handle. My friend and political mentor, former Senator Eric Bogue, told me that “you will know you’ve arrived when you can tell someone to go to Hell in such as way that makes him look forward to the tripâ€
She's (R) House Rep State of South Dakota District 28B first time elect!