you think barrys new healthcare system works for you

OntarioVanMan · Jun 10, 2009

greg334 said:
Danial Hannan pointed out something yesterday.

The Constitution of the EU is over 500 pages long and addresses everything but basic human rights and it is failing by all accounts with the swing to the right in the EU.

In contrast, the Canadian Constitution is also basically the same thing with it being something like over 200 pages long.

The Constitution of England is faltering under the obscene problems with everything from health care rights to rights of peers.

But the amazing thing is the US Constitution is still a viable form of self-governing for the individual, it is however a sheer work of genius at 11 pages.

The Canadian Constitution is so long because it deals with 3 different unique type of people....the French and Native Indians....
And the government is set-up in British style of course.

After that it is a clone almost of the US's....Provincial rights over federal rights....

Canada like the US can not have a national health care program....they can fund one thru the provinces but they themselves cannot run one. Unlike the British DO have a national healthcare program and is a real mess.....

layoutshooter · Jun 10, 2009

You are of course correct on the Non-National health system in Canada. I wonder thought, because I don't understand, are the Provinces allowed to say NO or are they told that they have to have one and they just run it? Please explain further.

The system up there is likely to start running into more and more funding problems, at least in my opinion. As the US goes deeper and deeper into socialism it is likely that our GDP will continue to go down hill. That in turn will lower the economic growth in North America in general. That North American growth was some what insulating Canada from the funding problems that England is having. That is going to change.

OntarioVanMan · Jun 10, 2009

To answer your question..YES, they have to have one...

BUT the health care system started on a provincial level first...I think it was Alberta in 1948 that had the first and the other provinces out of competition for skill labour after the war had to jump on board with thier own....every province had different basic rules...it wasn't till I think 1984 that the federal National Health Care Act was born to institute a uniform standard....and help with federal funding on a population based formula....so you see....it WAS a local thing...not a federal thing...It was not forced on anyone.

Funding problems...well of course..thats why they allow private clinics for the better off or anyone for that matter get thier own tests done where the province lacks...some even go to the next province as well as jump the border...

And some things are not FREE any more....some doctors bill for bandages, slings even a tongue depressor now...anything that they don't get reimbursed for....
Eye exams for adults was every 2 years now nothing Nada...

It is just too darned expensive...to cover everything...OBama has to learn his own way and the ones championing healthcare.

layoutshooter · Jun 10, 2009

So, am I correct, say the Yukon, can tell Ottawa to "Stick It" and come up with any system they want that might work better and cost less? A non-government involed system. IF it is REQUIRED to have a governemt system is that IS a defacto National Health system, with slightly more flexible funding. I picked the Yukon because there seem to be a whole lot of independent minded people out there.

OntarioVanMan · Jun 10, 2009

layoutshooter said:
So, am I correct, say the Yukon, can tell Ottawa to "Stick It" and come up with any system they want that might work better and cost less? A non-government involed system. IF it is REQUIRED to have a governemt system is that IS a defacto National Health system, with slightly more flexible funding. I picked the Yukon because there seem to be a whole lot of independent minded people out there.

I do believe there are basic requirements for the NHC Act...but after that the province is on its own.

Maybe this is a bad example..Kinda like here with the .08 and seatbelt law...where the feds blackmailed the states into having a uniform national standard or risk loss of federal highway funding...BUT the states still dictate the punishment..

I have a cousin in Yellowknife NWT...brrrrr......retired army served in Korea and his family actually chose to live up there!!!

layoutshooter · Jun 10, 2009

OntarioVanMan said:
I do believe there are basic requirements for the NHC Act...but after that the province is on its own.

Maybe this is a bad example..Kinda like here with the .08 and seatbelt law...where the feds blackmailed the states into having a uniform national standard or risk loss of federal highway funding...BUT the states still dictate the punishment..

I have a cousin in Yellowknife NWT...brrrrr......retired army served in Korea and his family actually chose to live up there!!!

I would live out there. I talked to several people when I passed through there. I was impressed with their freindly attitude. I was also impressed with their self-reliant attitude. I kinda got the idea that they liked the government in Ottawa about as much as I like ours in Washington.

Well, reading your above, I would call that a defacto National Health system. I am a tad more black and white than most. You are either free to do as you chose or you are not.

OntarioVanMan · Jun 10, 2009

When I lived in Ontario I couldn't just go to say Manitoba and get care...I would be under thier rules and Ontario would have to agree to pay...IF I wanted it paid for...

IF I wanted a complete physical EVERY year I'd have to pay for ONE as the province only pays for one every 2 years for an adult.
It is BASIC care not wide open.

So now you see it is more a provincial thing...not started by the Feds...

Much different then what OBama is suggesting....