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Turtle

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One problem with having satellite TV in the van is that you get to see this stuff as it happens. Like, for example, I got to see and hear the context in which Rep. Hastings was speaking, not to mention the rest of his sentence that was cut off in that video.

Taking a sound bite and then chopping it up even further to make it mean something else is a tried and true technique, and this one is particularly funny. Really funny. We're going to see more and more of this as time goes on, because it will be brain-dead easy to do. C-SPAN now has all 23 years of video online and fully indexed. Doing a search on C-SPAN is like hitting Google's "I'm Feeling Lucky" button over and over and over.
 
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muttly

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Not sure how it was taken out of context. He was referring to a quote by Thomas Edison who basically was saying he was trying to make history so there are no rules. Just like the Dems are trying to make history with Obamacare so they can't be concerned by silly house rules to impede what they want to do:rolleyes:.
 

Turtle

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I never said it was taken out of context. Since the video abruptly ends with the man in mid-sentence, it should be plainly evident that at best it's taken out of context, and at worst the context was deliberately omitted.

However, your contention that is was about making history, and therefore they don't need to worry about rules, is fundamentally incorrect, as that assertion and assumption is based solely on the partial video snippet, and in no way takes into account the actual context, of which both his complete comments and the setting in which they were made is important.

Hastings is a tool, I'll give ya that, and he incorrectly used an Edison out of context when he made those remarks, as Edison was talking about creating something entirely new out of essentially nothing, so the standard rules of invention didn't really apply to what he was going. Hastings, during a meeting of the Reconciliation Committee, used the quote as part of a pathetic attempt to defend the rather weaselly “deem and pass” strategy for approving the health care bill, which the Democrats ended up abandoning. "Deem and pass", incidentally, was first used by a Republican Congress, and was used extensively by the Republicans during the last Republican-controlled House. Hastings wasn't, as is suggested on countless Blogs, stating that Congress is making up the rules as they go along simply because they are trying to make history. .

Hastings said it was time to, “stop all of the rhetoric and get to the business of what’s at hand. The fact of the matter is that a lot of our fellow Americans are hurting and they don’t have affordable health care and for the life of me I cannot understand why we all should not be willing to share in order to help the least of them. I wish that I had been there when Thomas Edison made the remark that I think applies here: ‘There ain’t no rules around here — we’re trying to accomplish something.’ And therefore, when the deal goes down, all this talk about rules, we make ‘em up as we go along, and I’m here now 18 years, and a significant amount of that time here on this committee under the leadership of the Republicans…” yada yada yada

Like I said, sounds bite are nearly always taken out of context as it is, as that's the nature of sounds bites. And when they're purposefully further chopped up to mean something even different than the sound bite, it gets funny. And it gets funnier when people fall for that crap and buy into it, believing the chopped up bits and pieces to actually mean something relevant or important.

This health care mess is messy enough in just dealing with the actual facts, without having to deal with the twisted and the skewed. I'm now watching a very smug Obama talking about the just-passed health care legislation. That's real, and far more troubling than some video snippet edited and produced solely to get a rise out of a bunch of sheepletons.

(that's a new word I just invented. It's a combination of sheeple and simpletons).
 

muttly

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Hastings was referring to Edison who was widely quoted as saying "Hell there are no rules. We are trying to make history."
How else should a person take that reference? The ends justify the means. Plain and simple.
 

Turtle

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How else should a person take the reference? In context for starters, which I just gave you. All you have to do is read and comprehend it, and then you'll know how to take it. Secondly, it would be best to take it in the actual context, and not the made up one. Edison never said "we're trying to make history," and was never widely quoted as saying that until some wacko Blogger changed "accomplish something" to "make history", and then stated that the later has been widely quoted, and then other wacko Bloggers started quoting it, too. So saying it's been widely quoted is a misnomer at best, and I'm willing to bet you got that directly from a Blog.

Trying to "accomplish something" isn't as benign and non-threatening as "make history", which implies they are doing this for the wrong reasons, and is much more conducive to juice flow and frothiness within the sheepleton universe.

If you watch the entire video of the meeting, which if I remember right was an hour and a half or maybe two hours, you'll see the actual context in totality, and you'll see that he was talking about the fact that they are not, in fact, making up the rules as they go along, as many people have charged them with doing, but are instead doing it within the crazy and insane rules they are saddled with.

But feel free to believe what you want. Sheepletons most definitely prefer their own illusions and delusions to the truth, and there are a lot of shepletons out there who are easily manipulated and duped. Case in point, there are people out there right now who believe Rush Limbaugh is currently house shopping in Costa Rica, all because some wacko Blogger told them so, and did so out of context.

Propaganda will always work on those who need to believe. That's why religion works. It convinces people that their imaginary friend is better than someone else's imaginary friend. Wars are fought over this principle.
 
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