What now Barry?

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Where is the leadership? The entire region is breaking down. Barry waits for France to take the lead. He CLAIMS we will protect civilians in Libya WITHOUT putting troops on the ground, Neat trick. How is he going to protect civilians in Yemen? ANOTHER U.N. lead no fly zone? He even used the words, "clear goals" but did NOT articulate those goals in Libya. What are his "clear" goals here? Any?

Tough times call for tough leaders. Even Clinton was better than this. Al-Qaida is ALREADY a threat in Yemen. What do we do Barry? We are waiting for your leadership.



From rooftops, snipers kill 46 Yemeni protesters​

By AHMED AL-HAJ and ZEINA KARAM, Associated Press – 11 mins ago

SANAA, Yemen – A massive demonstration against Yemen's government turned into a killing field Friday as snipers methodically fired down on protesters from rooftops and police made a wall of fire with tires and gasoline, blocking a key escape route.

At least 46 people died, including some children, in an attack that marked a new level of brutality in President Ali Abdullah Saleh's crackdown on dissent. Medical officials and witnesses said hundreds were wounded.

The dramatic escalation in violence suggested Saleh was growing more fearful that the unprecedented street protests over the past month, set off by unrest across the Arab world, could unravel his 32-year grip on power in this volatile, impoverished and gun-saturated nation. The United States, which has long relied on Saleh for help fighting terrorism, condemned the violence.

The bloodshed, however, failed to dislodge protesters from a large traffic circle they have dubbed "Taghyir Square" — Arabic for "Change." Hours after the shooting, thousands demanding Saleh's ouster stood their ground, many of them hurling stones at security troops and braving live fire and tear gas.

They stormed several buildings where the snipers had taken position, dragging out 10 people — including some the protesters claimed were paid thugs. They said the men would be handed over to judicial authorities.

The protest in the capital, Sanaa, drew tens of thousands, the largest crowd yet in Yemen's uprising. It began peacefully. A military helicopter flew low over the square just as protesters were arriving after the main Muslim prayer services of the week.
A short while later, gunfire rang out from rooftops and houses, sending the crowd into a panic. Dozens were hit and crumpled to the ground. One man ran for help cradling a young boy shot in the head.

Many of the victims were shot in the head and neck, their bodies left sprawled on the ground or carried off by other protesters desperately pressing scarves to wounds to try to stop the bleeding.

Police used burning tires and gasoline to block demonstrators from fleeing down a main road leading to sensitive locations, including the president's residence.

"It is a massacre," said Mohammad al-Sabri, an opposition spokesman. "This is part of a criminal plan to kill off the protesters, and the president and his relatives are responsible for the bloodshed in Yemen today."

Witnesses said the snipers wore the beige uniforms of Yemen's elite forces and that others were plainclothes security officers. President Saleh denied at a press conference that government forces were involved, claiming that residents angry over the expanding protest camp had opened fire. He ordered the formation of a committee to investigate.

Doctors at a makeshift field hospital near the protest camp at Sanaa University confirmed at least 46 dead, three of them children. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to the media.

A Yemeni photojournalist, Jamal al-Sharaabi, was among the dead, medical officials said. He is the first journalist killed in the unrest.

Interior Minister Gen. Mouthar al-Masri, who is in charge of internal security forces, put the number of dead at 25 and the injured at 200.

Opposition groups in Yemen held an emergency meeting later Friday in which they defiantly called on all Yemenis to join in their peaceful protest. The groups denounced Friday's violence, which they said was ordered by Saleh. They also called on the international community and U.N. Security Council to take "political and moral responsibility with measures to protect civilians."

The United States, which supports Yemen's government with $250 million in military aid this year alone to battle one of al-Qaida's most active franchises, condemned the attack on protesters.

"Those responsible for today's violence must be held accountable," President Barack Obama said. He called on Saleh to adhere to his public pledge to allow peaceful demonstrations.
Instead, Saleh declared a 30-day nationwide state of emergency that formally gave his security forces a freer hand to confront demonstrators. The declaration bars citizens from carrying and using weapons.

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon was "deeply troubled," said his spokesman, Martin Nesirky. He "reiterates his call for utmost restraint and reminds the government of Yemen that it has an obligation to protect civilians."

Demonstrators are demanding jobs, greater political freedoms and an end to government corruption.

In the latest defection by a political ally of the president, Nabil al-Faqih, the Yemeni tourism minister, resigned Friday from his Cabinet position and from the ruling party to protest the killings.
"This is the least I can do," he said. Al-Faqih is the second minister to quit and the latest of several politicians to resign from Saleh's Congress Party.

Throughout the unrest, security forces and government supporters have used live fire, rubber bullets, tear gas, sticks, knives and rocks against the protesters, who have only grown in number in Sanaa and in many other cities around the nation. The protesters say they won't go until Saleh does and have rejected offers to discuss a unity government.

"They want to scare and terrorize us. They want to drag us into a cycle of violence — to make the revolution meaningless," said Jamal Anaam, a 40-year-old activist camping out in the protest site.

He said government opponents would not follow the example of their counterparts in Libya who took up arms against Col. Moammar Gadhafi. "They want to repeat the Libyan experiment, but we refuse to be dragged into violence no matter what the price," he said.

Friday's violence showed the government of Saleh and his family are increasingly worried about losing power, said Gregory Johnsen, an expert on Yemen at Princeton University.
"He has been in power for more than three decades and he's falling back on what he knows best, which is increasingly violent methods."

The tactic is unlikely to work, he predicted.

"Yemen does not have a population that's easily cowed, so I don't think they will be put out by fear of death," he said. "It's a heavily armed country. Many of the people there are quite confident and capable of putting security into their own hands."
Saleh and his weak government have faced down many serious challenges, often forging tricky alliances with restive tribes to delicately extend power beyond the capital. Most recently, he has battled an on-and-off, seven-year armed rebellion in the north, a secessionist movement in the south, and an al-Qaida offshoot that is of great concern to the U.S.

Al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula, which formed in January 2009, has moved beyond regional aims and attacked the West, including sending a suicide bomber who came terrifyingly close to blowing up a U.S.-bound airliner with a bomb sewn into his underwear. The device failed to detonate properly.

Yemen is also home to U.S.-born radical cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, who is believed to have offered inspiration to those attacking the U.S.




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greg334

Veteran Expediter
Ah ... what's your point?

I mean the thing you said "Tough times call for tough leaders." doesn't seem to apply here anyway. I said before with Tunisia, we don't have a lot of involvement with them so let's just stay the h*ll out of it.

Europe on the other hand is being flooded with 'refugees' and among them, there are terrorist they don't want within their borders.

If I was to choose - "left style democracy" or any alternative, I would still stay right on the fence like he seems to be doing.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Ah ... what's your point?

I mean the thing you said "Tough times call for tough leaders." doesn't seem to apply here anyway. I said before with Tunisia, we don't have a lot of involvement with them so let's just stay the h*ll out of it.

Europe on the other hand is being flooded with 'refugees' and among them, there are terrorist they don't want within their borders.

If I was to choose - "left style democracy" or any alternative, I would still stay right on the fence like he seems to be doing.

Yup...a whole lot of the Middle East seems to be imploding....best we can do is stand by....
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Ah ... what's your point?

I mean the thing you said "Tough times call for tough leaders." doesn't seem to apply here anyway. I said before with Tunisia, we don't have a lot of involvement with them so let's just stay the h*ll out of it.

Europe on the other hand is being flooded with 'refugees' and among them, there are terrorist they don't want within their borders.

If I was to choose - "left style democracy" or any alternative, I would still stay right on the fence like he seems to be doing.

Well I believe different. I contend that MUCH of what is going on in the Middle East is in part due to Barry's "apology" tour. He made it clear that he would do nothing no matter what happens.
Our apparent "disengagement" in the Middle East that tour implied left a power vacuum. Even IF we should have backed off it was handled wrong. Not surprised, he is a putz.

Yep, He should then STATE clearly that the U.S. has NO security interests in that country and that we intend to stay out of it. (I don't agree with that but he is NOT clear on his intent)

The European refugee problem is their problem, not ours.


Clear, clean, well articulated goals and intentions. As it is now we should change the name of the White House to "Waffle House One".
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Well I believe different. I contend that MUCH of what is going on in the Middle East is in part due to Barry's "apology" tour.

I think a little of it has to do with his speech but you may not realize that a lot has changed since 2009 in the middle east with shifting alliances.



He made it clear that he would do nothing no matter what happens.
Our apparent "disengagement" in the Middle East that tour implied left a power vacuum. Even IF we should have backed off it was handled wrong. Not surprised, he is a putz.

BUT see I think you are wrong to a point.

First we have been more active in how we handle things in Afghanistan and Pakistan. We increased troops and other operations. Our failures seem to be the same as the last administration - that is failure to connect with people where it matters.

In Pakistan, there seems to be a bit more stability than there was a few years back and if there was a country that was unstable, it was and is Pakistan.

Yep, He should then STATE clearly that the U.S. has NO security interests in that country and that we intend to stay out of it. (I don't agree with that but he is NOT clear on his intent)

But see he could not come out and say this for the same reason that Bush could not support the Kurds in Northern Iraq. He had to wait for the right time, beside his administration was all messed up with different opinions by "officials" that were contradicting each other.

The European refugee problem is their problem, not ours.

YES it is and this is why France, Germany and Italy are all screaming about Libya.


Clear, clean, well articulated goals and intentions. As it is now we should change the name of the White House to "Waffle House One".

BUT see he can't have any clear clean well articulated goals and intentions when there is a civil war. Taking sides is a dangerous thing, especially with people in the Middle East. The one component that is missing from all of this talk is that of what Gadafi and others like him have done for us. As I said in another thread, Obama can't land of the side of the rebels (in regards of helping with arms or money) but he can't land on the side of Gadafi either - so staying quiet is the best thing to do.

ALL OF THIS HAS to do with the security of our country where we depend on people to help us.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
He is a fumble brain. He is weak and makes us look weak. His troops don't trust him. The intell agencies likely to not either.
 
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