Water Diversion from the Great Lakes

[OntarioVanMan]

A nation's growing thirst threatens a Great Lakes water war

Not once in this article is there a mention of Canada!! Where do these people get off thinking it's thier water!! It's OUR water as in together. Do they think they can drain just one side of the lake? The Great Lakes should be deemed A North American Territory with a U.S./Can regulatory board. Maybe Canada will open all the lift locks and drain the upper lakes that would ruffle a few feathers.

And this is one of the reasons alot of Canadians think Americans are so arrogant. They think they own everything and want to control everything without consultation

 

[Lawrence]

Sadly, many Americans treat Canada as just another State or a Protectorate. Hardly a Sovereign nation with it's own Laws and Customs or they disregard it for it's national response after 9/11.
Agree or disagree.

I hear and read more about Cuba in the media then I do about Canada here in the US. Amazing.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Our National response to 9/11?

Letting all them aircraft land on our soil and taking American citizens in that were stranded like the ones down east and treating them to food and shelter? We even grounded our own inter Canada flights.
Sending troops for the invasion of Afganistan?

 

[greg334]

I agree, do you really expect the Detroit news to mention Canada as a partner? people around here think Windsor as an extension of Detroit and even the south east regional what ever they are, you know the guys who go on vacation at the peoples expense have been including the mayor of Windsor in the conference for some really dumb reasons. It all cheapens the relationship and minimizes the respect for each other with this attitude. We are different countries, we have to cross a border to go to Canada and many don't feel it is their job to respect Canada.

I do have to point out that the last time Superior was this low was in 1926, which makes you wonder what did they do with all that water?

But on the other hand, we can drain lake Michigan and no one can really do a thing about it - this is where I really think they are talking about taking the water from.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

I see your point about Lake Michigan BUT they are all connected..You can't lower Michigan without lowering Superior and interrupting the down hill flow. The lock system isn't that good.

 

[greg334]

I see your point about Lake Michigan BUT they are all connected..You can't lower Michigan without lowering Superior and interrupting the down hill flow. The lock system isn't that good.

Yea but I think you miss the point, no one cares what the effects are, they can't figure out that if you remove the water out of one the rest lose water.

You may already realize we are a lazy people over here, can't think for ourselves and worry more about what Dr. Phil (choke ... puke) can do for Brittany and how she is couping with her new boyfreind and the loss of her brats than what we can do for our neighbors.

Give you an example what I mean about misplaced intelligence. I am listening to some candidate interviews and one of the people, I think it was a Romney staffer made a point on how he (Romney) will improve public education, by getting the feds more involved. The interviewer mentioned vouchers and the response was "you know that the kids can't use vouchers for school, they need to bring their own money for lunch" The interviewer dropped her mic and I almost peed my pants laughing.

 

[arkjarhead]

"They all moved down (to the Southeast and Southwest) to stay warm. If they're thirsty, they can move back."

I think that is the dumbest remark I've heard in a while. I have never lived in any of the Great Lake states. Neither has any of my family. So how the heck did we move to Arkansas to get warm there smart one?

 

[greg334]

Ark,
The real solution is to build nuke power plants and use desalination plants - it seems to work for other countries where heat and no water is the norm.

 

[arkjarhead]

We've been doing fair on rain actually. The Atlanta area is hurting I know. But heck some Al Gore wannabes are slowing draining the lake that is their water supply into some river to save fish in Florida. So basicly animals lives are more important than human lives.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

The point is with the increasing population in the south they need to do something. I know desalination plants are expensive BUT a government has a responsibility to the people. The state and feds have to get thier act together to take the strain off the ecosystem. I am talking farmers here that use the water for irrigation.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

Wait a minute... you mean Windsor ISN'T a suburb of Detroit?

 

[greg334]

The point is with the increasing population in the south they need to do something. I know desalination plants are expensive BUT a government has a responsibility to the people. The state and feds have to get thier act together to take the strain off the ecosystem. I am talking farmers here that use the water for irrigation.

OVM,
The government did solve the problem but the population has been growing and in the case of Atlanta, they would rather save some mussel and fish then allow people to use water.

There are no cheap solutions, the TVA was not cheap, the Mississippi solutions were not cheap and neither was Hoover *Dam but they were done. The ecosystem has been around for millions of years and has changed for millions of years, the government has decided not to listen to solutions and keep going down the same road in order to get things done. We see this in N.O. where there is a discrepancy in 'rebuilding' and the same thing will happen when there is another storm.

In this case the responsibility is on the people, they have to do something to get people to listen to long term solutions. They have to stop the BS of the twisted laws that put them in danger to save some fish or plant or what ever. It is the same thing about electricity, we have heard that there will be a shortage of electricity and the solution is in front of us, actually 27 miles from me, but we hear from a minority (environmentalist) that building any plant is wrong and could do more damage. The people need to allow private sector to build things, desalination plants, nuke plant - all come from private sector, not government.

 

[letzrockexpress]

All I know is that anybody who moves from Canada to South Dakota can't be playing with a full deck. Speaking of that,Didn't you mention one time that you are now a citizen of the U.S.? SO ...who is "we" when you mention Canada?? What do you mean when you say the government has a responsibility to the people.???perhaps you didn't get the memmo but we don't have that socialistic system here in the U.S. that you had in Canada.The government here "is" the people...ya know...free enterprise and all that??? It is up to those people who live where there isn't any water to figure out where to get it. They moved there of their own free will. It isn't our problem. In case you aren't familiar with the international boundaries that run through most of the Lake Erie, Ontario, Huron and Superior, The U.S owns the water on this side of said boundary. If a deal can be struck to sell water to anyone, regardless of where they are from, that is no business of the Canadians.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

All I know is that anybody who moves from Canada to South Dakota can't be playing with a full deck. Speaking of that,Didn't you mention one time that you are now a citizen of the U.S.? SO ...who is "we" when you mention Canada?? What do you mean when you say the government has a responsibility to the people.???perhaps you didn't get the memmo but we don't have that socialistic system here in the U.S. that you had in Canada.The government here "is" the people...ya know...free enterprise and all that??? It is up to those people who live where there isn't any water to figure out where to get it. They moved there of their own free will. It isn't our problem. In case you aren't familiar with the international boundaries that run through most of the Lake Erie, Ontario, Huron and Superior, The U.S owns the water on this side of said boundary. If a deal can be struck to sell water to anyone, regardless of where they are from, that is no business of the Canadians.

Now thats a crappy attitude... Responsible government is that what you not want? Doesn't the Constitution or Bill of Rights refer to "To the entitlement of Responsible Government for the people by the people? Thats what I was referring to....
From what I've seen there is no "people" in this country anymore, just corporations and lobby groups that run everything....
What did I say that turned your crank anyway?

If you really want get anymore foolish about this then fine...I hope Canada opens the locks and lets all the water out of thier side and we'll see how much is left on your side smartbutt!

For the record: I am a "Legal Permanent Resident" of the U.S. Not a citizen yet. I have to put in 3 years.

 

[greg334]

Now thats a crappy attitude... Responsible government is that what you not want? Doesn't the Constitution or Bill of Rights refer to "To the entitlement of Responsible Government for the people by the people? Thats what I was referring to....
From what I've seen there is no "people" in this country anymore, just corporations and lobby groups that run everything....
What did I say that turned your crank anyway?

If you really want get anymore foolish about this then fine...I hope Canada opens the locks and lets all the water out of thier side and we'll see how much is left on your side smartbutt!

For the record: I am a "Legal Permanent Resident" of the U.S. Not a citizen yet. I have to put in 3 years.

This is too funny

OK so you came here and settled in... well somewhere so that's alright you didn't go to SF and become a hippy or Florida and retire.

Maybe letzrock is having a difficult time with the primaries, his guy/gal may not be doing all that well or maybe something else politically is bothering him?

But just a reminder OVM, when you think about the peoples rights there are three of them that really matter, the first, the second and the tenth.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Greg said "But just a reminder OVM, when you think about the peoples rights there are three of them that really matter, the first, the second and the tenth."

You are referring to the amendments?

Thats the second time "The Rock" has jumped me..he's got this thing about Socialist stuff.

Ya see Rock we Canadians are born into the system and it's natural for us...We pay thru taxes to let the government control our health care and thats OUR CHOICE.... We expect our government to do this because we pay them to do it.

WHEREAS you Americans are born into a system of chosing to do it yourself because basically it's the way you want to do it... your CHOICE...

Both ways are correct. I hate to inform you but the American way isn't the only way to run things.

 

[greg334]

Greg said "But just a reminder OVM, when you think about the peoples rights there are three of them that really matter, the first, the second and the tenth."

You are referring to the amendments?

Thats the second time "The Rock" has jumped me..he's got this thing about Socialist stuff.

Ya see Rock we Canadians are born into the system and it's natural for us...We pay thru taxes to let the government control our health care and thats OUR CHOICE.... We expect our government to do this because we pay them to do it.

WHEREAS you Americans are born into a system of chosing to do it yourself because basically it's the way you want to do it... your CHOICE...

Both ways are correct. I hate to inform you but the American way isn't the only way to run things.

Now now OVM, it is not both is correct, it is what people tolerate.

By the way, our great leader in this state has decided to support the petition for state wide health care for autoworkers and others. The idea is to take the 12 billion or so in the state heath care budget and redistribute the funds to cover everyone who needs healthcare. They swear that they will not need more than that to cover everyone who needs health care. There is only one problem with that, the funds are not there to begin with and the state has a declining population which forces more strain on the tax system to maintain revenue.

I am of the mindset that if they can change the budget for something this unneeded, then they can change the entire system to allow a reduction in property tax and the reducing funding for the most unaccountable cost we face in the state, public schools.

But again our governor is from Canada and a lot of people want to declare war on Canada so you can lose the war and we can punish them by sending her back.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

No no no it should be education comes first...theres no future if the young don't get edumacated...

See Canada is going to more to a private market healthcare and it's kinda helping because the ones that can afford it do so, whereas down here more are leaning towards gov funded care from private and it's all messed up. I mean all hese parts A,B,C,D...who the heck can figure it out...

 

[letzrockexpress]

What "turns my crank" is that nearly everytime I log on to this forum I see some post from OVM whining about something that is wrong with the way the U.S. does things. I really don't have a problem with that specifically, Benjamin Franklin said there is nothing more american than speaking out against what is wrong with america.I would prefer to hear such speak from an american though. My real problem is that his solutions generally refer to some sort of socialism, i.e. farm supports,etc. The government owes us nothing.
I know Greg likes to believe I am a democrat but as I have often stressed, I lean right far more than I do to the left. If I had to pigeonhole myself I would say I am more of a libertarian. My "guy/gal" as he puts it isn't winning or losing because I haven't made my mind up with who is still in the race. I was a Biden supporter.Now if you will, please excuse me while I go oil my crank... It's a little rusty from not being turned in a while.

As a side note, OVM mentioned that he was "born into" the Canadian system. That is fine but apparently there is something he doesn't like about it, so much so that he is trying to become a U.S. citizen. If you want to join our club then why are you repeatedly trying to bring rules from your old club?

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Rock said "As a side note, OVM mentioned that he was "born into" the Canadian system. That is fine but apparently there is something he doesn't like about it, so much so that he is trying to become a U.S. citizen. If you want to join our club then why are you repeatedly trying to bring rules from your old club?"

I am not here cause I don't like it there....I like both equally...

Also I am NOT trying to change your system. I am questioning IT as in getting more info as in learning. Isn't that what ya want How can I assimulate into the American society if I no nothing about it? Farm subsidys I was just talking about them. Not suggesting a thing. Just comparing apples and oranges. Maybe you'd prefer if I stayed a Pedro and raped your land and pillaged your villages like some 12 million other Pedros? I paid my way with almost $2,000 US dollars for this right to question the system of which I am about to become apart of......

BTW on my way to Buchanan....I'll buy the first coffee????