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[layoutshooter]

Every president has stepped into more problems than he expected. Nothing is as simple as it looks from the outside. If I were Obama and had his lack of useful experience I would have been shaking in my boots after the very first intell breifing. HE should have know then that he was WAY out of his league and moved to get advisors that knew what was going on. He did not. I do question his lack of management skills. He SHOULD have had a basic plan in place PRIOR to taking office. The plan should have been flexible enough to bend when he learned things that were not available to him prior to taking office. He is not in control of himself or any situation he is now facing. There is no clear course. I would feel better, even if I did not agree with his course, if he had one. He was not ready for the job. He has no backround. He seems to be a very poor manager. He is still speaking in campain sound bites. It must really suck to suddenly find yourself in a REAL job for the first time in your life and have it be a job that requires everything that you don't have. Backround, experience, management skills etc. That is what happens when you have little to no real life experience. Layoutshooter

 

[mjolnir131]

Well, Shooter, Greg, I've said this since I been here and back in 2005 2006 2007 2008 so many of you laughed and made out what i said to be a joke.

Not funny now is it. None of it. Heck I told ya in 2007 about Russia As well as China etc.

I was laughed at. No one is laughing now are ya.

Well laugh some more, why don't everybody!!! HA HA HA HA
Greg go ahead put your feet up as ya you know what is getting deep. HA HA HA HA HA

Well This time I didn't have to say it. You ALL did for me.

Thanks. YIPPEEE SKIPPE

Now I hope everyone is ready, I hope your all in shape.

I am and I'm ready any time any where.
Bring it.

No I'm not kidding either I mean it.

And there is a lesson to that for all of us maybe.

I don't get to play Ed Chigliak often and I'm not claiming to be a inspired shaman. Eddie is just one of my favorite chars from Northern Exposure.

There is an old adage that goes along the lines of "Just because he's paranoid does not make him wrong." Like most things in like this to is a two way street. When you give out warnings it's probably best not to sound like a conspiracy nut. This is best displayed in the TV show BONES the episode "The Hero in the Hold" **
Click Here to watch this episode on hulu
Around 32:20 or so they are talking about a spring cleaning file Booths brother(Navel Officer) says that only conspiracy nuts call it that. the whole moral is one of the reasons that we don't believe a section of our society even when they are right is because of the shrill and over exuberance that they use to inform us of those facts.

The reason it's bad to sound like a conspiracy nut is because most conspiracy nuts are wrong ... allot ... so it's easy to miss the few times they are right,this is especially bad when the times they are right are the very important ones.

I use a flowery form of writing myself,but don't get caught in using the conspiracy theory lingo when talking to people it clouds over what you say and for the rest of of world i know I'm asking allot here because at times there is allot of crap to wade threw but maybe listen a little better to what is said than how it is being said.


** great episode worth the watch, I love the show just wish the writers would stop borrowing ideas from each other.

 

[greg334]

Layout,
Obama doesn't care when you come down to it. He will not be running for office after this, he will not practice his activism and we should only hope that his wife does not follow hillary down that path of arrogance and deceit. So if he fails, he still gets his pension, his library and the admiration of his fans who think he is the second coming.

Other presdients have known what it was like, Nixon for one, Bush I for another and so on. Nixon is a good example because he ran in 60 and it was a different world from 68 when he did get elected but he knew what was going on and I think he was better prepared. It makes me wonder if we would have been in Vietnam if the election wasn't stolen from him in 60 and would we have had the Hippy culture come about?

 

[mjolnir131]

Every president has stepped into more problems than he expected. Nothing is as simple as it looks from the outside. If I were Obama and had his lack of useful experience I would have been shaking in my boots after the very first intell breifing. HE should have know then that he was WAY out of his league and moved to get advisors that knew what was going on. He did not. I do question his lack of management skills. He SHOULD have had a basic plan in place PRIOR to taking office. The plan should have been flexible enough to bend when he learned things that were not available to him prior to taking office. He is not in control of himself or any situation he is now facing. There is no clear course. I would feel better, even if I did not agree with his course, if he had one. He was not ready for the job. He has no backround. He seems to be a very poor manager. He is still speaking in campain sound bites. It must really suck to suddenly find yourself in a REAL job for the first time in your life and have it be a job that requires everything that you don't have. Backround, experience, management skills etc. That is what happens when you have little to no real life experience. Layoutshooter

Oh WOW! i get to play Ed Chigliak twice in one day to cool!


Remember the Robert Redford movie "The Candidate" and how it ended with that chilling line "Now what" His only real skills was that he could campaign for office, he had no clue what to do past that.The sad thing is we got that warning 35 years ago with that movie and it just keeps getting worse.

 

[layoutshooter]

We very well might have avoided Viet Nam had Nixon won in 1960. Dwight D. and Kennedy could have taken steps to avoid that conflict. Read the books by Dr. Tom Dooley. They are most likey out of print now. He was a U.S. Navel doctor who got out of the navy to form a group called Medico that opporated in S.E. Asia. He was documenting the Communist attrocities that were taking place and his approach was like a Marshall plan without having the war first. He was correct. We could have stopped the communist aggression with the PROPER use of aid and service. He had the group in place that could have done much of the service part on a volunteer basis. We had the chance and blew it. Johnson was just a fool, much like Obama. NO common sense. Nixon was very close to winning the military conflict but stopped about 3 days short. Documents that surfaced after the fact showed that the North Vietnamese were so hurt by Opporation LineBacker, the bombing campain, that they were working on a surrender plan that would have been much better for all included than what ended up happening. Nixon stopped that bombing campain just 3 days prior to the North suing for surrender. Had Nixion only known that. Hundreds of thousands or more lifes would have been spared. It seems that we still have not learned from that mistake. We still seem ready to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Layoutshooter

 

[layoutshooter]

mjolnir131, I have no idea what you are talking about. Sorry. I did not see that Robert Redford movie or have any idea who Ed Chigliak is. I do think that I have made my feelings clear all along about the threat from Russia, China etc. I don't think I ever downplayed that. Layoutshooter

 

[greg334]

I got a compilation of Dooley's books here, actually looking at it on the shelf.

The one thing that the north had was our war protesters who worked for them. They were supported by the North through the campi of the country. Sorry for those who do/did protest but a North General said that their best weapon was the American protester, illustrated by Jane Fonda actions.

Oh yea, there is the perfect example of treason, she should have been brought up on charges, and there should have been a public execution. No other person ever, including Arnold could have been the best example of a person selling out their country, Arnold did it against a cause, Fonda did it against our country.

 

[mjolnir131]

Greg may i remind you treason has no statue of limitations it's never to late.

shooter you have never seen it man you need to it was released in 72 and covered all the topics we have today dumbing down the candidacy and the voters, sound bits,telling people what they want to hear, etc etc a must see movie for one who is politically conscious

Ed Chigliak, Eddy was Joe Fleischman's best friend on the TV show Northern Exposer he was a huge movie fan and a shaman that used movie metaphor to teach and enlighten

 

[layoutshooter]

I first read Dooley's books in the 7th and 8th grades. They were the begininng of the formation of my thoughts about wars, communisum etc. While rather poorly written they were very stark and made a real impression on my young mind. As I moved into the world of intellingence I began to see the truths in a lot of his work. He did have a rare ability to see all sides of an issue. I can tell you a story sometime of how I once performed on stage with Hanoy Jane. That performance was followed by an "Anti-War" rally at a bar called the "Owl" outside the main gate of Misawa AFB, Japan, in "AP" alley. During that "Rally" I did all I could to discount what EVER she said and tried my darnest to "Rip Her a New One". Why would I even do the performance? I was young and trying to get my 15 minutes of fame. A spot in a movie and the hopes of a record contract. Didn't work. Just another cool side bar in a real life. Layoutshooter

 

[greg334]

Yea but who now a days would even approach the thought of putting a hollywood type on trial?

The movie is a good one, I do recommend it.

 

[layoutshooter]

What movie? You surely don't mean the one that my band was going to be in with Jane. Layoutshooter

 

[mjolnir131]

Yea but who now a days would even approach the thought of putting a hollywood type on trial?

You mean we HAVE to have a trail. I was just talking about going out and hanging her. Man life is truly unfair.

 

[greg334]

The Candidate with Redford. There are others, but that one seemed to pull a lot of things together. The other one that I liked was Wag the Dog, it was like stepping back into the war room of the marketing arm at the place I worked at.

 

[layoutshooter]

Never saw that one either. I did see Patton half a zillion times!!! HEHEHE. Layoutshooter

 

[greg334]

Patton was a good movie but it left out a lot of stuff about the guy that we should have known. It also shows how his staff was used and he was like others a big picture guy.

 

[layoutshooter]

Patten, the movie, was Hollywood, not real life. Patten the "Man" was a very complex person as are most who chose to lead. He was a Big" picture man for sure. He understood his enemy. He understood his role. He knew how to get the best out of people, some of he methods might not have been good, BUT, they worked. We very well could have lost the war in Europe had it not been for Patten. I do, however, think that Bradly was better. Layoutshooter

 

[mjolnir131]

Patton was a good movie but it left out a lot of stuff about the guy that we should have known. It also shows how his staff was used and he was like others a big picture guy.

as in...

If you tell people where to go, but not how to get there, you'll be amazed at the results.
George S. Patton

and ...

If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking.
George S. Patton

 

[iceroadtrucker]

I think Patton should have been able to do what he really wanted to do and Kick the heck outta The Soviets Russia

I also think that General MacArthur should have been able to do what he wanted to do Kick the Heck outta ta Reds A China.

If them two things would have been done maybe just maybe we wouldn't be in the stinking mess. Then again with the dumb politicians we have maybe we would.

 

[mjolnir131]

No Dougie had taken the prima donna complex way over the line if he could have engaged China and won, it was his screw up alone for not being able to convince those over him.

 

[layoutshooter]

I do agree that the military should be controlled by civilians, BUT, why polititions? They are just to stupid to handle problems of real importance!!! Layoutshooter