Wackos and Tyranny

[mohawk]

i can't count the number of times at the drag strip i have went running up to a fellow riders bike with a fire extinguisher only to discover the flames were only painted on.

don't they know fire is dangerous¿¿ i make sure to report them all to the county fire Marshall though.

 

[Swamp30]

So Cheri you want me to tell you why he dad made it look like what you called a military assault rifle?( which clearly you have no ******* ideal what your talking about)..because has the right and choice too..

 

[cheri1122]

So Cheri you want me to tell you why he dad made it look like what you called a military assault rifle?( which clearly you have no ******* ideal what your talking about)..because has the right and choice too..

Yes, Swamp, that was the question: why make it look like a military assault rifle?
Which wasn't my description, mind you, [because I don't pretend to have "ideals" when I don't] but the one written in the article. I did say the hunting rifle looks nothing like those I am familiar with [my daughter likes trap shooting, too], though I am far from an expert on the subject.
In the 'gun control' climate of today, especially, what lesson is Dad teaching: is he just saying "Screw you" to people who don't think kids should have assault weapons, military or otherwise?
If this kind of modification is ok, how would anyone recognize a genuine assault rifle, should some kid happen to get hold of one?
You guys make snarky remarks about painted flames & scary truck fronts, but there are a LOT of people who know even less about weapons than I do, and those people aren't likely to think this is an example of responsible gun ownership or parenting, and I'd have to agree with them.

 

[LDB]

It would take all of an hour or two for anyone interested to learn the basics of guns and the second amendment.

Why make it look the way it looks? (We won't incorrectly label it this time). How about because it looks good that way. How about because it is the most versatile. How about just good old "just because".

What lesson is good old dad teaching? How about the lesson that the second amendment is still valid and still applies to all citizens.

The better question is how would a kid obtain a rifle from a military base.

 

[Humble2drive]

. . .But they could have avoided the hassle had the weapon not been made to resemble a military assault rifle in a photograph displayed on facebook.
Dad had every right to give his son a rifle for hunting, if he thought the kid was ready, but why make it look like a military assault weapon, is the question.
What's the attraction: that it looks 'military', or is it the 'assault' factor? What is Dad teaching, if a hunting rifle isn't good enough

You may be missing the bigger agenda which was a failure in this case.



This story smells like a set up for negative media attention regarding the authorities over reaching their constitutional authority. Much like the earlier thread where the biker intentionally got pulled over by police then refused to expose that he was open carrying while at the same time recording the incident to put online . Also like the previous post where a man drove to multiple border checks and refused to answer any questions while video taping the encounters.

Review some of the particulars of this case:

Dad is a firearms instructor at the local range so he has a financial interest in the firearms industry.
Dad buys his 10 year old son a .22 rifle to take hunting supposedly for his upcoming 11th birthday, although it is not his birthday yet.
Dad makes the decision to buy Jr. a rifle that resembles an assault rifle during a time of heated national debate regarding assault rifles.
Dad posts the picture to the largest social networking site in the world.
Depending on Dad's security settings millions of people could see the photo.
Dad has a second amendment attorney on standby.
Predictably, one of a zillion citizens who saw the pic called Child Welfare and questioned why a 10 year old was holding an assault rifle and was it loaded?
Child Welfare investigates as required and is accompanied by local police as normal protocol when weapons may be involved.
Dad gets the call, gets the Attorney on the line and races home for the confrontation.
This is where the whole set up falls flat.
Child Welfare and Police ask to enter the house to investigate.
Dad says no, they depart and have no plans to return.
A non-story so Dad gets online the next day and rants about it.

Some of Dads rant:

Dad - "I don't like what happened"

As if he was surprised by the response he was expecting.

Dad - "You're not even safe in your own home"

Actually, he was safe in his home and there is no indication otherwise.

Dad -" If they can just show up at any time, and make you open safes and go through your house, that's not freedom; it's like tyranny."

Actually, they showed up during normal waking hours, never made him open any safes, never entered the house and left without incident.

This kind of story does little to help out those of us who would like to maintain our Constitutional rights to bear arms. In fact it makes some gun owners seem a bit nutty and puts more fear into the minds of the altruistic liberals who support stricter gun laws.
Are some so called conservatives so naive as to think that this kind of shenanigans is helping the cause. I wonder how many Lib's who were sitting on the sidelines were prompted to join the cause when they saw this pic.

 

[cheri1122]

Thanks, Humble, for the additional details - I didn't know anything but the story in the OP link, and that was bad enough.
It's like getting a tattoo on your face and complaining that you can't get a job - if you appear to be stupid, people will respond as if you are. Getting outraged over it just makes you look worse.
If Dad had given the kid a 'normal' hunting rifle, none of the attention would have resulted. With another senseless shooting being a daily feature in the media, giving a kid what looks like an assault rifle and posting the photo on facebook was not responsible parenting, IMO.

 

[mohawk]

wow. im covered in tattoos including hands and throat and I've never had a problem getting a job. and i would like to see this definition of a "normal" hunting rifle.

 

[cheri1122]

wow. im covered in tattoos including hands and throat and I've never had a problem getting a job.

Good for you. However, I said a tattoo on one's face, which apparently, you don't have. Either way, you must admit that it limits the options considerably.

and i would like to see this definition of a "normal" hunting rifle.

One that looks like the photo, not like a "copy of a military style assault rifle."

 

[cheri1122]

This is my idea of responsible parenting: the photo is of the gift I gave my younger daughter last Christmas - it's designed to carry a weapon.
And she posted it on facebook, too, and all the comment it got was "Where can I get one?!"
Of course, she is over 21.

 

[mohawk]

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcassaul.html

that .22 clearly doesn't meet any of the requirements for an assault weapon. and i freely admit that face tattoos limit your options but classifying us all as "stupid" makes you sound like a narrow minded bigot.

 

[Humble2drive]

Assault Weapons

that .22 clearly doesn't meet any of the requirements for an assault weapon. and i freely admit that face tattoos limit your options but classifying us all as "stupid" makes you sound like a narrow minded bigot.

This is clearly an example of someone arguing simply for the sake of arguing.
Requirements for an assault rifle are completely irrelevant here as the discussion is regarding a PICTURE of a rifle that many people would mistake as resembling an assault rifle.
If you freely admit that a face tattoo might limit someone's ability to find a job then you are agreeing with Cheri's statement and it is simply a fact about our society. If you were to complain about that fact then it may seem kind of "stupid" since you knowingly did it. Calling someone a "narrow minded bigot" for such a statement is merely begging for further argument.

 

[mohawk]

no my argument is that it doesn't matter what it looks like but rather what it is. And i stand by my statement, generalization of a group of people is narrow minded but i guess i shouldnt call anyone out on that cause it could lead to an argument.

 

[cheri1122]

If you read what I wrote, I didn't say people with tattoos are stupid, [I have one that I'd be willing to bet is older than you are], I said people who get a tattoo on their face and complain they can't get a job are stupid - and I stand by that.
A responsible parent may give their child a weapon, when they believe the child is ready, just like you can get a tattoo, and that's fine. But giving a child a weapon that is designed to look like a military assault rifle, and posting the photo on facebook of child holding it, that's stupid and irresponsible.
If you can't see the difference, I just hope you aren't a parent.

 

[LDB]

So we're judging based on looks... kind of like when they judge people on the look of their skin.

 

[mohawk]

well as long as you have a tattoo older than me what argument could i possibly have.

I have two daughters who are 2 and 9. my oldest doesn't like guns but knows how to handle one safely since i as a responsible parent and gun owner have taught her since she was around 5 or so. knowledge is power and not teaching you kid gun safety seems a little irresponsible to me.

 

[layoutshooter]

If you read what I wrote, I didn't say people with tattoos are stupid, [I have one that I'd be willing to bet is older than you are], I said people who get a tattoo on their face and complain they can't get a job are stupid - and I stand by that.
A responsible parent may give their child a weapon, when they believe the child is ready, just like you can get a tattoo, and that's fine. But giving a child a weapon that is designed to look like a military assault rifle, and posting the photo on facebook of child holding it, that's stupid and irresponsible.
If you can't see the difference, I just hope you aren't a parent.

Looks like a "military assault rifle"? Can you tell me what that is? Can you tell me a decade in US history when American citizens did NOT own, carry and hunt with rifles that were similar or identical to what the military was using? How many even know what caliber rifle the military uses? Why they use it or what is it capable of?

The problem is that many politicians and the press are lying about what is going on out here and deliberately 'stirring up" fear to achieve the goal of total domination of the People by a malevolent government.

EVERY firearm every made CAN be, and has been, used as an "assault weapon". Firearms are nothing more than tools. Tools that can be used for good, or bad. It is ONLY how the HUMAN behind the trigger uses that, or any tool, that determines if it were used to assault another human, provide food for a human, or punch a hole in a piece of paper.

That kids father did NOTHING wrong by giving that kid that rifle. That rifle, no matter what is LOOKS LIKE, can be a GREAT tool in helping that kid become a MAN. It is a GOOD tool for teaching things like, responsibility, life, death AND discipline. Keep in mind that the shooting sports, as a group, ARE called "disciplines", and for good reason.

Fear is often caused by ignorance. Fear of an inanimate object that is 100% incapable if independent action fits that bill.

 

[cheri1122]

The only stirring I observe in this case is by the father. If there's nothing wrong with how that rifle looks, then there's nothing wrong with sending the kid to a party wearing what looks like a Nazi uniform, or a KKK sheet & hood, either. Parents have the right to do that, too, but the responsible ones don't deliberately set their kids up for outrage from the community.

 

[layoutshooter]

The only stirring I observe in this case is by the father. If there's nothing wrong with how that rifle looks, then there's nothing wrong with sending the kid to a party wearing what looks like a Nazi uniform, or a KKK sheet & hood, either. Parents have the right to do that, too, but the responsible ones don't deliberately set their kids up for outrage from the community.

Can you explain with how a tool looks, matters?

It is the community that has the problem. They are foolish enough to fall the the hype of the media and the guff fed them by the likes of Biden and Obama.

What is an "assault rifle'? Can you define one? Why is a rifle with a threaded barrel more "dangerous" than one that is identical to another except for the threading? What is the threading used for? What do you know about the cartridge that the U.S. military/NATO uses right now? How does that compare to the rifle the kid has? What is the difference between the rifle the kid has and say a Ruger 10/22? Should US citizens be "allowed" to have access to ammunition that is equal too, or more powerful than, what the military and police have?

What decade, in US history did US citizens NOT use rifles that were similar too or identical to what the US military had? IN FACT, did you know that during the Revolutionary War those fighting the crown OFTEN had firearms that were FAR better than what those who fought FOR the Crown had. THAT is how it should be, assuming one wants the People in control of the government.

Some homework on firearms may be in order.

 

[LDB]

If there's nothing wrong with how that rifle looks, then there's nothing wrong with sending the kid to a party wearing what looks like a Nazi uniform, or a KKK sheet & hood, either.
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Please.. comparing an inanimate object to historical figures many of whom were known for evil?

What exactly is wrong with the way the rifle looks? Are we to a point of criminalizing ugliness and scariness? Who gets to decide what's ugly or scary looking?

Shall we apply similar standards elsewhere where we have problems such as drunk driving? distracted driving? others? Make some arbitrary decisions based on appearances and other factors and force them on multi-millions of decent law abiding citizens due to the actions of a few thousand?

 

[Swamp30]

the gun looks nothing like an ASSAULT RIFLE!! LOOK AT A REAL ASSAULT RIFLE AND THAT KIDS GUN!! PLAINLY YOU KNOW ..... ABOUT GUNS AND THEREFORE SHOULD NOT EVEN COMMENT ON THEM. EDUCATE YOURSELF ABOUT THE 2ND ADMENDMENT AND GUNS. AND YOU SOUND LIKE A BIGOT TALKING ABOUT TATS ON PEOPLES..THE COUNTRY AS A WHOLE HAS PASSED THAT STAGED..

Edited by Englishlady: Using asterix or other symbols to form swear words is not allowed on E.O.