There is hope

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There is some hope. The people of Venezuela are at least TRYING to limit the scurge of Chavez and his totalitarian ways. If only we can do the same to stop Obama. It will be interesting to watch. I wonder if Chavez will use the military to insure his power base? I would NOT put it past him, or ANY extremist, like him. I include Obama in that camp.


Setback for Chavez in Venezuela vote



By Frank Jack Daniel and Patricia Rondon Frank Jack Daniel And Patricia Rondon – 18 mins ago


CARACAS (Reuters) – Venezuela's opposition won a third of the seats in parliament and claimed a majority of the popular vote in elections on Sunday, boosting its hopes of defeating http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_venez...eW5fdG9wX3N0b3JpZXMEc2xrA3ZlbmV6dWVsYW9wcA--# at the next presidential poll in 2012.


Although Chavez's Socialist Party retained a majority in the 165-seat National Assembly, it fell short of its goal of keeping at least the two thirds it needs to pass major laws or make appointments to the and electoral authorities without the support of its political foes.


As results came through early on Monday, the newly-united opposition Democratic Unity umbrella group said it had won 52 percent of the overall vote. If confirmed, that would be a symbolic blow to Chavez in the 12th year of his rule of South America's biggest oil exporter.


"We are the majority!" sang http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_venez...eW5fdG9wX3N0b3JpZXMEc2xrA3ZlbmV6dWVsYW9wcA--# after the tallies were announced overnight.


The polls were watched closely by investors with money in Venezuelan debt, which offers very high yields. Its benchmark 2027 global bond jumped on the news from polling centers.
"This is a huge result for the opposition. They exceeded even their own expectations," David Smilde, a Venezuela expert from the University of Georgia, told Reuters.


Following years of defeats and missteps, and a boycott of the last parliamentary poll five years ago, opposition leaders will now focus on trying to topple the man they call an autocrat at the ballot box in 2012.


With final results still coming in, however, Chavez was close to the three-fifths of seats needed to give him special decree powers that he could use to bypass parliament and drive forward his socialist reforms.


Election authorities said on Monday that his Socialist Party won at least 94 seats in the Assembly and that Democratic Unity took at least 60 seats. Five seats went to other parties and the results from the remaining six were not yet in.


A baseball-mad former tank soldier who rose from a poor rural childhood, Chavez first tried to take power in a 1992 coup and has lost only one election since he won the presidency at the ballot box in 1998.


The 56-year-old has since become one of the world's most recognizable politicians, taking the crown from Cuba's Fidel Castro as the leading critic of Washington in Latin America, and nationalizing the assets of foreign oil companies.


CHAVEZ "IMPOSSIBLE TO PREDICT"


Chavez is widely accused of using bullying tactics against his opponents, although he can argue his democratic credentials are burnished by the opposition gains in Sunday's vote.


He is still the country's most popular politician, but his approval ratings have been hit by a deep recession, a soaring violent crime rate and electricity shortages.


An electoral council source backed the opposition's claim of winning 52 percent of the popular vote, and the outcome was welcomed by investors in Venezuela's popular bonds.


Debt issued by the government and state oil company PDVSA offers particular high yields for those willing to bear what some consider a significant chance of default.


In early trading on Monday, its benchmark 2027 global bond price rose 3.5 percent to bid 73.00.


The election was essentially a referendum on Chavez's rule, and he sought to put a brave face on the results, declaring via Twitter overnight that it was a "new victory for the people."



His ruling party had always been likely to get a higher percentage of seats than votes, due to changes in electoral districts and voting rules that favored it.



Facing the prospect of negotiating with politicians he views as bourgeois capitalists, Chavez may yet move to curb parliament's influence. He could devolve some powers to community groups that are loyal to him, or pass legislation before the new parliamentarians take office in January.
Analysts are unsure whether he might now radicalize his self-styled "Bolivarian Revolution," named for independence hero http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_venez...eW5fdG9wX3N0b3JpZXMEc2xrA3ZlbmV6dWVsYW9wcA--#, or soften policies to appeal to the many who voted against him.



"He has always been impossible to predict," said a senior Western diplomat in Caracas.


The [ signals the unofficial start of the presidential race in which Chavez hopes to extend what will by then be nearly 14 years in power. For the opposition, it gives them their first major presence in the Assembly for years.



"It's going to be a hostile parliament, that's for sure," Guillermo Miguelena, the Caracas secretary-general of the opposition Democratic Action Party, told Reuters.



"Now we need to keep the unity we have achieved."
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Does it really matter?

NO!

What matters is we are going that way;

US would make Internet wiretaps easier

Here are a few scary highlights;

The [NY] Times said the Obama proposal would likely include several requires:


Any service that provides encrypted messages must be capable of unscrambling them.


Any foreign communications providers that do business in the U.S. would have to have an office in the United States that's capable of providing intercepts.


Software developers of peer-to-peer communications services would be required to redesign their products to allow interception.

I thought the encryption issue was settled through the courts - the US government can't ask for these two things, or am I wrong?
 

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Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Does it really matter?

NO!

What matters is we are going that way;

US would make Internet wiretaps easier

Here are a few scary highlights;

The [NY] Times said the Obama proposal would likely include several requires:


Any service that provides encrypted messages must be capable of unscrambling them.


Any foreign communications providers that do business in the U.S. would have to have an office in the United States that's capable of providing intercepts.


Software developers of peer-to-peer communications services would be required to redesign their products to allow interception.

I thought the encryption issue was settled through the courts - the US government can't ask for these two things, or am I wrong?

I know we are headed the wrong way, I hope we can at least TRY to turn back this vile idea that government is in control of us.

It matters only because the entire idea of totalitarian government is weakened every where when ever it is limited. It shows that it CAN be done, even here, where similar policies are being put into place.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
I think the bigger news is Castro saying communism failed.

Totalitarianism has failed everywhere, but we are not without it in our allies and neighbors. Mexico is one where it has to actually become a country on lock down to save it.
 

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I think the bigger news is Castro saying communism failed.

Totalitarianism has failed everywhere, but we are not without it in our allies and neighbors. Mexico is one where it has to actually become a country on lock down to save it.


I doubt that Castro really believes that. He is just spouting off to get his buddy Obama to force our congress to let up on the sanctions. As soon as we do he will crack down again, worse than before. He is secretly giving Obama lessons on how to control a country over the internet!! :p
 

greg334

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Actually I think he has soften a lot, not because of his age but I am beleiving that the people are getting restless about changing things and he and his brother both see it. Raul was not nice when he took over, but now it seems that in order for Cuba to survive and not get run over by foreign 'investors' after either of them are dead may be to change it to like the Vietnam model or follow China's lead and shape it to accept a compromise.

I don't get why the embargo would actually hurt the country as it has other than their only focus is to open back up the US markets and only the US markets. Remember that Canada and Mexico, with Burmuda and others also can trade with them and have but it seems only in a limited fashion.

I also think that his biggest enemy is Obama, no one else.
 

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Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Actually I think he has soften a lot, not because of his age but I am beleiving that the people are getting restless about changing things and he and his brother both see it. Raul was not nice when he took over, but now it seems that in order for Cuba to survive and not get run over by foreign 'investors' after either of them are dead may be to change it to like the Vietnam model or follow China's lead and shape it to accept a compromise.

I don't get why the embargo would actually hurt the country as it has other than their only focus is to open back up the US markets and only the US markets. Remember that Canada and Mexico, with Burmuda and others also can trade with them and have but it seems only in a limited fashion.

I also think that his biggest enemy is Obama, no one else.


Why do you think that Obama is Castro's enemy? I don't follow.
 
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