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RLENT

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Those documents were deemed personal according to the 2012 court case.

Incorrect - the 2012 court case dealt with personal records from the Clinton Presidency (not Trump's) and a cause of action by a private individual/group to force NARA to act to seize (personal) records, effectively declaring them Presidential Records.

It's an apples and oranges thing.

A bit of free advice:

Avoid the John Solomon Legal Hot Takes.

That moron already screwed up and most likely screwed the pooch by releasing the letter from NARA, thinking that it showed Biden involvement when actually it showed Biden deferring from getting involved (among other things)

John Solomon ain't a real bright guy.

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RLENT

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Well if the Democrats can shop for a judge so can the Republicans.

DOJ sought the warrant in the locality where the search was to take place.

Trump avoided filing anything with the judge who has the case (which is just retarded) and went north to Fort Pierce - bypassing West Palm Beach (which is right next door) - to try and get a judge he appointed and who he probably assumed would be sympathetic.

And then proceeded to screw up filing the case 5 ways to Sunday.

Tell us again who it was that was "judge shopping" ...

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If she's smart, she won't touch it with a 10' pole ...

(Beware the #ETTD)

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muttly

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You're citing the guy who lost his court case against NARA as "an authority" ...
So what? The fact he litigated the case and has the DC court ruling on the matter is the pertinent part. They ruled that presidential records that Clinton took with him were deemed personal by the mere fact he had them in his possession. The DOJ argued for the defense in the case. So that was there policy back in 2012, that a former President in possession of records (and inherently classified) were considered personal.
 
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RLENT

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Of course the mainstream media and never-Trumpers are downplaying the Trump filing, but there's another viewpoint that's not being heard: the case has merit, and it comes from two former federal attorneys that know what they're talking about. This is a detailed article, but makes a good case for this conclusion:

"The former president’s rights under the PRA trump any application of the laws the FBI warrant cites."






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muttly

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Avoid the John Solomon Legal Hot Takes.

That moron already screwed up and most likely screwed the pooch by releasing the letter from NARA, thinking that it showed Biden involvement when actually it showed Biden deferring from getting involved (among other things)

John Solomon ain't a real bright guy.

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That’s the spin from the Left anyway. But facts matter.
 

RLENT

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Like I said, it's an apples and oranges comparison.

You've (apparently) seized on it because on its face it appears to be similar to and may have some relation or bearing upon Trump's theft of US Government classified documents.

If one were operating in good faith and wanted to actually understand why it's irrelevant, one would start by assessing how the cases are different ... rather than seizing on whatever similarities that appear at first blush to exist. Or, God forbid, asserting that they are the same ...

They aren't.

The fact he litigated the case and has the DC court ruling on the matter is the pertinent part.

Yup - and you might want to actually read ABJ's entire ruling on the matter (it's only 27 pages) ... rather than taking some talking head's representations of what the ruling was and what it held.

Fitton litigated the case - and this is really key ... so pay really close attention - and LOST.

His "theory of the case" (that the tapes, were in fact, presidential records) was repudiated by the court.

In fact, after reading the entire opinion, I was truly impressed by how many spankings ABJ gave Fitton and Judicial Watch about getting so many things in the law wrong ...

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They ruled that presidential records that Clinton took with him were deemed personal by the mere fact he had them in his possession.

Wrong.

But feel free to cite where in AJB's opinion the court held that they were in fact "presidential records" ... if you feel my characterization above ("Wrong") is inaccurate.

The DOJ argued for the defense in the case. So that was there policy back in 2012, that a former President in possession of records (and inherently classified) were considered personal.

You got a cite for that ? (cite meaning a link to a DOJ court-filed document, preferably in its entirety)


After the drubbing Tommy got in court at the hands of ABJ, I'm not at all surprised he's still trying to turn that sow's ear into a silk purse ...

He should probably go pump a little iron and try to calm down ...

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RLENT

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That’s the spin from the Left anyway. But facts matter.

Yes, they do ... as does Solomon's history of biased reporting, spreading misinformation, unethical omissions, and questionable claims.

He's basically a has-been at this point, looking at his "glory days" (such as they were) in the rearview mirror.

Sad.
 
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danthewolf00

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Might want to read up on the Crime/Fraud Exception to attorney/client privilege for starters.

For two, Trump claiming that they took A/C privileged info should be taken with a grain of salt, given his track record of incessant lying.

For three, given Trump's previous (and ongoing) attempts at witness intimidation and obstruction of justice, it's entirely understandable that they would be inclined to not have the agents recorded ... so they could be identified and targeted by the MAGA Lunatic Hordes.



The warrant specified that items in close proximity should/could be seized ... as well as the items they were searching for.

Read the warrant:

The fact that they could take any thing near the paperwork that they was oh so public about being after...... like the protected attorney client privilege information is reason that the warrant was unlawful.
they should have just taken the classified papers and touched nothing else but you know classic Democrat overreach.
 
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danthewolf00

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We must find anything to keep trump from running for president again!
Impeachment 1.0 failed
Impeachment 2.0 failed
Impeachment 3.0 failed but still working on it
Impeachment 4.0 failed miserably but still working on it.
Adam schiff is of course making it all up to use right before November.
 
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Democrats are failing they are losing seat in Congress....because they are stuck on trump and spending tax payer money on stuff we do not need.....like electric cars and college debt....and climate change.
Putting a cap on prescriptions and health insurance would do a world of good.
Finsh putting up the southern border wall and cutting off illegal immigration would be good too. Backing the police instead of just letting crime run rampant would be great.
 
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Yes, they do ... as does Solomon's history of biased reporting, spreading misinformation, unethical omissions, and questionable claims.

He's basically a has-been at this point, looking at his "glory days" (such as they were) in the rearview mirror.

Sad.
Please don’t lie.
 
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muttly

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For three, given Trump's previous (and ongoing) attempts at witness intimidation and obstruction of justice, it's entirely understandable that they would be inclined to not have the agents recorded ... so they could be identified and targeted by the MAGA Lunatic Hordes.
Wait, what? The outfit that likes to arrest people of a misdemeanor in PUBLIC and put them in shackles (Peter Navarro) instead of notify him to come in to the office and also the ones that tipped off CNN to a early morning raid on Roger Stone so they could videotape it all? That group? That group is now camera shy?
 

muttly

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Like I said, it's an apples and oranges comparison.

You've (apparently) seized on it because on its face it appears to be similar to and may have some relation or bearing upon Trump's theft of US Government classified documents.

If one were operating in good faith and wanted to actually understand why it's irrelevant, one would start by assessing how the cases are different ... rather than seizing on whatever similarities that appear at first blush to exist. Or, God forbid, asserting that they are the same ...

They aren't.



Yup - and you might want to actually read ABJ's entire ruling on the matter (it's only 27 pages) ... rather than taking some talking head's representations of what the ruling was and what it held.

Fitton litigated the case - and this is really key ... so pay really close attention - and LOST.

His "theory of the case" (that the tapes, were in fact, presidential records) was repudiated by the court.

In fact, after reading the entire opinion, I was truly impressed by how many spankings ABJ gave Fitton and Judicial Watch about getting so many things in the law wrong ...

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Wrong.

But feel free to cite where in AJB's opinion the court held that they were in fact "presidential records" ... if you feel my characterization above ("Wrong") is inaccurate.



You got a cite for that ? (cite meaning a link to a DOJ court-filed document, preferably in its entirety)



After the drubbing Tommy got in court at the hands of ABJ, I'm not at all surprised he's still trying to turn that sow's ear into a silk purse ...

He should probably go pump a little iron and try to calm down ...

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70 plus tapes of conversations with other governments and other government matters. (Many of them likely inherently classified)Clinton took them with him.
The DOJ lawyer argued at the time that those were personal records because they are in his possession . The court agreed.
 

danthewolf00

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70 plus tapes of conversations with other governments and other government matters. (Many of them likely inherently classified)Clinton took them with him.
The DOJ lawyer argued at the time that those were personal records because they are in his possession . The court agreed.
But that doesn't matter because well it's trump.
 
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