The Trump Card...

[muttly]

No. The documents in question were and are the property of the United States. Classifed or not, Trump had no right to have them in Mar-a-Lago. The search warrant was executed in part to recover this U.S. government property that Trump had no right to have at Mar-a-Lago.

Those documents were deemed personal according to the 2012 court case.

 

[ATeam]

This action will likely result in legal battles that go on for years, and the winner in court may or may not be Trump. However, Trump is winning in the court of public opinion. His name will remain in the headlines every day and he's not on a single ballot in Nov. This could turn out to be a monumental political blunder by Biden and his DOJ by making Trump the victim of jack-booted thugs straight out of 1930s Germany.

Regarding the delaying action initiated by Trump, you might want to wait until Friday before being so sure. The response he received from a judge today is not encouraging for Trump and his attorneys. The court filing has been declared laughable by some. It is quite something for a judge to ask people who are supposedly learned in the law what they want when the filing is supposed to explain exactly that.

 

[muttly]

Just like Obama politicizing the IRS, the politicization of the FBI and using them in a raid against a former POTUS and likely 2024 presidential candidate is the type of action one would expect from a dictator or tyrant. If one doesn't like Hitler, then Stalin, Mao, Castro - all would be good examples of tyrants who harassed, intimidated or jailed their political opponents and those who opposed their policies. As the Democrat party drifts more towards socialism, we're seeing more of these tendencies from them.

It comes down to rationalization with them.They are fine with an unarmed female protester and Trump supporter being gunned down, non violent Trump supporters that picketed being jailed for months or years, the political opposition leader being raided by an unlawful search and seizure. The ends justify the means with them because they believe that Trump and his supporters “are an existential threat to democracy” or something.

 

[muttly]

The fact that the fbi took attorney client privilege information and demanded that ALL video surveillance cameras be turned off should worry even Democrats....I think that in 9 hours a team of 30 agents could follow the warrant but apparently not.....I mean they took passports which the judge did not ask for.

Biden was caught in another lie about this. He was involved early on. Busted.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1562189675791466498

 

[danthewolf00]

Just like Obama politicizing the IRS, the politicization of the FBI and using them in a raid against a former POTUS and likely 2024 presidential candidate is the type of action one would expect from a dictator or tyrant. If one doesn't like Hitler, then Stalin, Mao, Castro - all would be good examples of tyrants who harassed, intimidated or jailed their political opponents and those who opposed their policies. As the Democrat party drifts more towards socialism, we're seeing more of these tendencies from them.

Obama also had the banks going after Republicans and gun stores.....but hey it's just normal Democrat vs Republican bull.crap

 

[muttly]

No. The documents in question were and are the property of the United States. Classifed or not, Trump had no right to have them in Mar-a-Lago. The search warrant was executed in part to recover this U.S. government property that Trump had no right to have at Mar-a-Lago.

This is entirely incorrect.

WSJ Op-ed: 'No Legal Basis' for Mar-a-Lago Search Warrant

The FBI raid on former President Donald Trump's private residence at Mar-a-Lago, Florida, had "no legal basis," say Rivkin and Casey.

www.breitbart.com

 

[coalminer]

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[Pilgrim]

Regarding the delaying action initiated by Trump, you might want to wait until Friday before being so sure. The response he received from a judge today is not encouraging for Trump and his attorneys. The court filing has been declared laughable by some. It is quite something for a judge to ask people who are supposedly learned in the law what they want when the filing is supposed to explain exactly that.

Of course the mainstream media and never-Trumpers are downplaying the Trump filing, but there's another viewpoint that's not being heard: the case has merit, and it comes from two former federal attorneys that know what they're talking about. This is a detailed article, but makes a good case for this conclusion:

"The former president’s rights under the PRA trump any application of the laws the FBI warrant cites."

The Trump Warrant Had No Legal Basis | David Rivkin, Constitutional Attorney and Media Commentator

David Rivkin is a Constitutional Law Attorney who speaks on behalf of conservative matters.

davidbrivkin.com

 

[ATeam]

... the case has merit ...

I'll wait for the additional information, expected on or before Friday, before I agree or disagree.

It is interesting to note that Trump brought this action to a known-conservative, Florida judge who Trump himself appointed. She did not immediately agree that the action has merit. She asked for additional information from Trump's attorneys. That's not common. Normally, court documents are self-explanatory. Judges do not have to ask the authors what they want or what they meant. But this time, this judge did, which suggests that the legal experts laughing out loud about this document are not without reason to do so.

It is also questionable why Trump brought this to this judge in the first place. Many are suggesting, and it makes sense to me, that the magistrate who issued the search warrant is the fist appropriate one to go to with a request for a special master. As one commentator said, you can't appeal a magistrate's ruling until there is a ruling. Trump seems to be trying to bypass the magistrate as he shops for a sympathetic judge.

I would not be a bit surprised to see Trump's judge of choice throw this out of her court as it never should have been brought there in the first place.

 

[danthewolf00]

Well if the Democrats can shop for a judge so can the Republicans.

 

[ATeam]

Well if the Democrats can shop for a judge so can the Republicans.

Actually, no one can shop for a judge. There are rules in place that determine who gets what judge and when.

 

[muttly]

Actually, no one can shop for a judge. There are rules in place that determine who gets what judge and when.

They can find out when a particular judge is available to submit the affadavit. They knew this magistrate didn’t like Trump. He actually recused himself from another case involving Trump a few weeks prior to the raid. Plus he had a Facebook post that was anti Trump. It is indicative of a lack of integrity by the DOJ to do it this way.

 

[danthewolf00]

Yea but that so far has not stopped the Democrats.....they don't follow the rules or the laws.

 

[ATeam]

... the case has merit,...

If the case has merit, it is not immediately evident to the person who matters the most; that is the conservative, Florida judge to who whom Trump brought the case.

"On Tuesday, a Florida judge informed two lawyers representing former President Donald Trump, neither of them licensed in the state, that they had bungled routine paperwork to take part in a suit filed after the FBI’s search this month of Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home and private club. ...

"Judge Aileen M. Cannon, who was appointed by Trump, asked the lawyers to respond by Friday about whether she even had jurisdiction to hear Trump’s request, and what precisely his motion was asking her to do." (Source)

 

[muttly]

They can find out when a particular judge is available to submit the affadavit. They knew this magistrate didn’t like Trump. He actually recused himself from another case involving Trump a few weeks prior to the raid. Plus he had a Facebook post that was anti Trump. It is indicative of a lack of integrity by the DOJ to do it this way.

Here is a former U.S. attorney explaining how it is done regarding judge shopping:

Andy McCarthy to C&B: This Raid Is About Jan. 6th

MCCARTHY: If you aren't convinced that a crime was committed, you wouldn't be getting a warrant in the first place.

www.clayandbuck.com

 

[RLENT]

If the Democrat leadership had just left trump alone he might not run in 2024 but no they just couldn't do that.

LOL.

Fact is, he may not even be eligible to hold public office in 2024 ... or at any point in the future ... once it's all said and done.

 

[RLENT]

Those were his personal documents.

That isn't how it works.

 

[RLENT]

Russia! Russia! Russia!

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[RLENT]

The fact that the fbi took attorney client privilege information and demanded that ALL video surveillance cameras be turned off should worry even Democrats....

Might want to read up on the Crime/Fraud Exception to attorney/client privilege for starters.

For two, Trump claiming that they took A/C privileged info should be taken with a grain of salt, given his track record of incessant lying.

For three, given Trump's previous (and ongoing) attempts at witness intimidation and obstruction of justice, it's entirely understandable that they would be inclined to not have the agents recorded ... so they could be identified and targeted by the MAGA Lunatic Hordes.

I think that in 9 hours a team of 30 agents could follow the warrant but apparently not.....I mean they took passports which the judge did not ask for.

The warrant specified that items in close proximity should/could be seized ... as well as the items they were searching for.

Read the warrant:

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[muttly]

That isn't how it works.

Facts are stubborn sometimes for some.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1562628870095904768