Sprinter box cargo gwvr

[Sprintit]

Hi everybody
A sprinter 14' box truck with dual rear wheels and door sticker of 10200 lbs gwvr isn't it supposed to have a dot number , do scales and log book. I said every truck with <10000 lbs should have dot but my friend think otherwise

 

[ntimevan]

Lol. ....he needs a 200 lb. log book. ......lol. ...........some peoples kids. .....really

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[mjmsprt40]

That thing has got a 14' box and dual rear wheels. It's going to attract attention from the bears. Better believe you want all your i's dotted and t's crossed in that one.

 

[LDB]

It doesn't matter that it has a box. It doesn't matter that it has dual rear wheels. The only thing that matters is the plate on the door jamb and what it says the gvw is. If it's 10,000 or less than 10,000 then you don't have to follow the HOS rules and you don't have to keep a logbook except when hauling hazmat and for the 7 days prior to hauling hazmat. If it says 10,001 or greater then you better have a complete and accurate logbook, you better be pulling through every scale, you better be legal on weights, balance, hours and everything else. If you are being paid for hauling then you better have a DOT number on it as well.

 

[Sprintit]

It is not me who bought the truck . But I am going to drive this truck for this gentleman he is a very good person I would like to work with him but when I looked at the stickers on the door it says 10200 lbs

 

[Rocketman]

You will legally be in the commercial vehicle category with all the fun things that come with it...logbooks, dot #, scales, etc. I'm sure that there are many people running such vehicles under the radar....just remember that if you do get checked, it won't be pretty. Only way you could legally stay clear of some of the regulations would be to stay local...150 air miles or less, I think.

 

[Sprintit]

That makes me wonder how the yellow Penske box trucks are rated

 

[Turtle]

Definitions. - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

Commercial Motor Vehicle means any self-propelled or towed motor vehicle used on a highway in interstate commerce to transport passengers or property when the vehicle—

(1) Has a gross vehicle weight rating or gross combination weight rating, or gross vehicle weight or gross combination weight, of 4,536 kg (10,001 pounds) or more, whichever is greater; or

(2) Is designed or used to transport more than 8 passengers (including the driver) for compensation; or

(3) Is designed or used to transport more than 15 passengers, including the driver, and is not used to transport passengers for compensation; or

(4) Is used in transporting material found by the Secretary of Transportation to be hazardous under 49 U.S.C. 5103 and transported in a quantity requiring placarding under regulations prescribed by the Secretary under 49 CFR, subtitle B, chapter I, subchapter C.

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Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

20. Now that I have determined that I will be operating in interstate commerce, what do I need to do to begin?

A USDOT Number is required if you have:

• vehicles that are over 10,000 lbs,
• if you transport between 9 and 15 passengers (including the driver) for compensation,
• if you transport 16 or more passengers, or
• haul hazardous materials in interstate commerce.

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Incidentally, that first part, in the definitions, that's what hammers those who think they can de-rate a greater-than-10,000 pound vehicle to a less-than-10,001 pound vehicle and still load it heavier than 10,001 pounds. "Has a gross vehicle weight rating... or gross vehicle weight... of 4,536 kg (10,001 pounds) or more."
So even if you were to de-rate that 10,200 pound vehicle down to, say, 9,999 pounds, if it ever is loaded so that it actually weighs more than 10,000 pounds, and you get caught, you're screwed.

But the bottom line is, there's a reason you don't see Sprinter box trucks in expediting very often - it's because you have all the benefits of having to log and scale every load without the benefits of being a dock-high straight truck.

Of course, none of this applies if you only run intrastate, never crossing state lines. However, some states nevertheless require DOT numbers and logs and scales for intrastate Commercial Motor Vehicles, just the same.

 

[Rocketman]

90% of them are likely running illegal and under the radar. Some will have a 10,000 or less gvwr, but Im guessing that most dont. It will catch up sooner or later.

 

[Sprintit]

So they could legally load approx 2600 lbs which is the same or less than a 1 ton cargo van or sprinter van so why go with the box with a decreased mpg

 

[tknight]

Because they just don't know any better or couldn't care less

 

[Moot]

Only way you could legally stay clear of some of the regulations would be to stay local...150 air miles or less, I think.

That would free him from the log book, but not from scales in most states.

I would think a drw Sprinter with a 14' box de-rated to 10,000 would be severely limited as far as load capacity.

 

[Moot]

Of course, none of this applies if you only run intrastate, never crossing state lines. However, some states nevertheless require DOT numbers and logs and scales for intrastate Commercial Motor Vehicles, just the same.

I believe most states require a CMV over 10,000 to enter scales with the exception of some western states.

 

[Moot]

So they could legally load approx 2600 lbs which is the same or less than a 1 ton cargo van or sprinter van so why go with the box with a decreased mpg

That's the question you should ask of the very good gentleman who owns the Sprinter. This is not a vehicle for expediting!

 

[Rocketman]

This is not a vehicle for expediting!

This is the answer to your question.

The Sprinter you describe is not a vehicle that most of us would consider as an expedite vehicle. As someone else mentioned, it has all the regulatory limitations of a straight truck while not offering any of the advantages of a straight truck.