Somalia, Pirates, and Al Quaeda

Pilgrim

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
At the risk of offending the "Cut & Paste Police", here's a rather lengthy but prophetic article written in 2002 for the Heritage Foundation by James Phillips, with a short excerpt to offer an idea of the subject matter:

"...al-Qaeda may seek to regroup in another country where it could count on some degree of local support.
Somalia is such a place. It is a failed state whose lawless anarchy would permit terrorists to operate relatively freely. The al-Qaeda network has operated there in the past and has longstanding ties to a small minority of Somali Islamists, with which it has worked since the early 1990s.
Somalia also has a long seacoast with numerous unpatrolled ports that could provide easy entry for al-Qaeda terrorists fleeing from Afghanistan via Pakistan or Iran by sea. The U.S. Navy intercepted at least one ship that reportedly transported fugitive al-Qaeda operatives who escaped from a Pakistani port inside a shipping container. 2 U.S. intelligence officials believe that bin Laden owns a number of ships, one of which is suspected of transporting some of the explosives used in the August 1998 bombings of the U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania. 3 Shortly after September 11, U.S. intelligence officials received reports that bin Laden himself planned to move from Afghanistan to Somalia or had already done so."

Somalia and al-Qaeda: Implications for the War on Terrorism

Everybody likes to offer opinions and theories, so here's mine. Suppose these "pirates" are really minions of Al Quaeda? Look at all the money they've raised from ransoms for their terrorist activities, all while the UN and it's member nations (including the US) wring their hands and worry about how to deal with the problem. Pretty smart concept if you ask me, and no single country wants to deal directly with the source of the problem on Somalian soil because these attacks are not "acts of war." Wait until a dirty suitcase bomb goes off at a college football game with 100,000 in attendance. Then maybe our political leaders will start to think about redefining what "act of war" should have meant and why getting involved in Somalia might have been in our national interest.
 

Desperado

Seasoned Expediter
why don't they just have 2 troop ships on each side put troops on ships as they pass through orders if fired on return fire to kill UTO that would be to simple
 

aristotle

Veteran Expediter
Desperado.... the United States has a very small navy. Less than 300 ships, I think. They are strategically placed to deal with threats all over the globe. We simply don't have enough ships to escort private vessels.
 

Desperado

Seasoned Expediter
i didn't say escort them i said put troops on they just need 4 troops 2 50 cal one on each side
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
The best thing to do is to find out where they are coming from and bomb the p*ss out of those harbors, leaving nothing.

We can also pay the Ethiopians to invade the country again, they did a good job last time and may actually welcome the reason to destroy their enemy.
 

Pilgrim

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Retired Expediter
Maybe the navies of US, France, Greece, etc. could do a better job of tracking the "mother ships" also. I'm not up to speed on the latest satellite technology, but it seems to me we could utilize that to scan these vast areas to locate the vessels launching the speedboats, then send a couple of weaponized planes out to introduce the pirates to Davy Jones. At any rate, I think it's a huge mistake allowing these terrorists to get away with kidnapping and ransom on the high seas. All these millions of ransom dollars are going somewhere, and it's not for the benefit of Somalia.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
pilgrim
You know that the AP is now their official news outlet and there was something about this being a business venture with a business model for the Somali war lords who are in charge of the operation. Apparently they are justifying this all as a business operation and even send bills to the ship owners for the food that they serve the hostages.
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
The world has gone nuts, why do we tolerate this stuff? Just take them out and get it over with. Yes, our Navy is too small as is the rest of our military. Layoutshooter
 

mjolnir131

Veteran Expediter
The world has gone nuts, why do we tolerate this stuff? Just take them out and get it over with. Yes, our Navy is too small as is the rest of our military. Layoutshooter

yea that ones going to bite us in he backside here in the next 5 years or so.We are stupid we refuse to learn from past mistakes .Actually that is the prime definition of insane doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different outcome.

Somalia has no population that is willing to make a country for themselves so unlike Iraq we can't set up a government there so I'm guessing our only recourse would be euthanasia.


... From the CIA fact-book .... Natural resources:
uranium and largely unexploited reserves of iron ore, tin, gypsum, bauxite, copper, salt, natural gas, likely oil reserves


So using some care when sterilizing it would be prudent.Maybe give whats left to Ethiopia and help them develop it.
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
Africa in general should be a wonderful place to live. Vast un-tapped resources. There SHOULD be jobs and prosperity. MMM are there not a lot of "Left Wing" governments there? Layoutshooter
 

mjolnir131

Veteran Expediter
Africa in general should be a wonderful place to live. Vast un-tapped resources. There SHOULD be jobs and prosperity. MMM are there not a lot of "Left Wing" governments there? Layoutshooter

there might be a few Theocracies and South Africa might be considered right wing but outside that yes 100%
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
I was under the impression that South Africa was far left of Moscow now. Very big into land re-distrobuton, and all that commie stuff. Layoutshooter
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
SA is far left, more so than many realise it could be.

The ANC is equal to the PLO and they are in fact a lot a like in their ideals. The ANC is communist, and makes no doubt about it.

Mandala is by all accounts a terrorist like Arafat and he should never be held up as a hero by any means.

what has been allowed to transpire is really bad.

Knowing people who fled SA after the government change, they told me some really horror stories - the thing is they are black professionals, not white.
 

aristotle

Veteran Expediter
SA is far left, more so than many realise it could be.

The ANC is equal to the PLO and they are in fact a lot a like in their ideals. The ANC is communist, and makes no doubt about it.

Mandala is by all accounts a terrorist like Arafat and he should never be held up as a hero by any means.

what has been allowed to transpire is really bad.

Knowing people who fled SA after the government change, they told me some really horror stories - the thing is they are black professionals, not white.
The election of Nelson Mandela singlehandedly wiped out the economic progress made in South Africa. They stole land from industrious farmers and redistributed it to nonfarmers who had no clue. Goodbye, P.W. Botha. Hello, Mandela's paradise.
 

letzrockexpress

Veteran Expediter
The election of Nelson Mandela singlehandedly wiped out the economic progress made in South Africa. They stole land from industrious farmers and redistributed it to nonfarmers who had no clue. Goodbye, P.W. Botha. Hello, Mandela's paradise.

Wasn't that a Koolio tune?
"Been spendin' most their lives livin' in Mandelas paradise"
 
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