Socialized medicine is a done deal

LDB

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My comment about drug dealers wasn't made out of emotion either. It is the sensible solution to drug traficking if you want it to stop. There is no other way to make it stop and this will not completely eliminate it either but will have the largest effect in lowering it.
 
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impaler

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Listening to a radio interview yesterday, I heard former Senate majority leader, Bill Frist (R-TN), state very clearly that socialized medicine as envisioned by the liberal Democrats is a fait accompli. Frist says Harry Reid has the numbers to push Obamacare through to completion. Barring a popular uprising, socialized medicine will be codified into law in the next 30-60 days.

There is nothing to stop them. The Socialists have won.

If socialized medicine is done, then the country is done. If America is done, then freedom is done, worldwide, unless someone knows of another New World. Anyone?
 

aristotle

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If socialized medicine is done, then the country is done. If America is done, then freedom is done, worldwide, unless someone knows of another New World. Anyone?

Hi Doug/SirBill?str8Shooter/BoxTruk/... or whatever else you're calling yourself this week?
 

Poorboy

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Ask Doug or his cohort to explain themselves. These mischiefmakers parachute in here on a weekly basis.

Oh, Ok, Like I said I was Just Curious what would Make you Think That!! However, His CoHort is Still Posting On a Regular Basis But I don't believe that he would be Honest Enough to Ever Admit To It!! Who Knows, Maybe Lawrence will Catch Him and Bounce His Sorry Butt Off!! :D
 

letzrockexpress

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It's quite amusing how either of you would make such statements. What's in the darkness will come in to the light...Patience my friends...Patience.
 

RLENT

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My comment about drug dealers wasn't made out of emotion either.
You may not believe it was .... but it was :D

People are often not even aware of the degree to which emotions affect and get in the way of their thought processes.

It is the sensible solution to drug traficking if you want it to stop.
Well then, using your "logic" and "sense" then anything one wanted to cure as a social ill, one would institute the death penalty for ....

This, of course, would put you right down there with the Saudis and others who hold to fundamentalist forms of Islam (along with some other equally dubious company) ...... some you, I would imagine, have no doubt railed against - for their uncivilized brutality .... and rightly so - I'm right there with you.

There is no other way to make it stop and this will not completely eliminate it either but will have the largest effect in lowering it.
Of course there is - it's just like special interests affecting what happens in government:

Remove the money from it.

The reason why the cost of illicit drugs is extremely high, is that they are illegal. It's a risk vs. reward thing - the penalties involved are so high that it inflates the cost and profits - to offset the potential downside - thereby making it a lucrative business to be involved with. That attracts the criminal element.

Understand that the above is coming from someone who is about as violently anti-drug as you can get ...... I generally I don't even take medicines (other than aspirin as a blood thinner, and very, very rarely antibiotics) ..... I'd have to be nearly at death's door before I'd put any of those poisons down my throat.

Decriminalize it and take the money out of it.

And continue to educate people with the true and correct data about drugs - that they are all poisons (even medicines) - some far more toxic than others, but all toxic nonetheless.

And so it is with government - it's the money:

As long as the tax code exists as the current monstrous complexity that it is - and subject to manipulation - filled to the brim with goodies for special interests ..... so that they have a playing field that is tilted in their favor, you will have the criminal and unethical elements attracted to holding levers of power - so that they and their cronies can benefit.

And that thing about the love of money being the root of all evil ..... well, it was true .....

Be careful who and what you praise and value ...
 
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LDB

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Legalizing doesn't get rid of it or the problems of it. I pointed out one of if not the only way to get rid of it, at least for the most part.
 

layoutshooter

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No it won't get rid of it and it would only shift the problems around. Just as prohibition did not work and that led to the rum runners etc. Just as high taxes on booze has kept the war between moonshiners and revenuers going on for years. Booze is now legal and taxed. We have now and will always have major problems with it. We just cut out the middle man and now the government takes the profit from the human misery. About the ONLY thing it would do it cut out SOME of the big cartels. Not to worry, the will always find some sort of human weakness to exploit. Scum has no choice but to be scum.
 

RLENT

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#-1 They Told me They were From Pakistan when they Opened up 2 Years ago,
Well ... that should have been your first clue ...... might wanna pull out an atlas and have a look at exactly where Pakistan is located.

Technically - just to toss ya a bone :D - I guess one could say that it is, or more accurately, was, in the Middle East - although that use of the name for that region is archaic, outdated, and really not currently in much use.

But it certainly isn't in what is commonly understood by the general population to be the Middle East at the present time.

and #-2 When they Talk to each Other It's always in their Native Tongue!!
Yeah .... and everyone knows that "them people from the Middle East" are the only ones to talk to one another in their native tongues ....

BTW, do you have an ear for Urdu .... and can you recognize it when spoken ? Maybe Punjabi, Pashto, or Kashmiri ?

Or differentiate any of them from say Arabic, Kurdish, Armenian, or Persian ?

..... just curious ......
 
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Jimboree

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Just Lastnight I was in a Gas Station/Carry Out Run By One of those Middle Eastern People, I saw a Woman who I won't Describe because Someone would Call Me a Racist, Pay for Her Beer, Wild Irish Rose and Gasoline with her Food Stamp Card!! I told the Guy behind the Counter that I was Going to Report Him and His Little Carryout for Allowing that to Happen But he didn't Care!! When I was walking to My Truck "Empty Handed" as I Changed my Mind About Buying anything in there and Left it all sit on top of the Counter, a Man who also seen it and Overheard what I had told the Clerk also Left Empty Handed told me that it Happens all the Time, But Never gave it a Thought to do what I Did and Leave Empty Handed!! Tomorrow Morning I'm Going to Make a Few Phone Calls, Even though It won't do any Good!!!! :mad:

The reason racist accusations arise is because you make the point to bring race into your post. When you say "those Middle Eastern People" in a post where the origin of the people have absolutley no bearing, you bring this on to yourself. You also make a point of saying " I saw a Woman who I won't Describe because Someone would Call Me a Racist" then mention a very cheap brand of wine. You are asking to be called a racist, and this post is a quite obvious troll. You should read the code of conduct poorboy. When you walk and talk like a racist do not be surprised when you are called one.
 

RLENT

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Legalizing doesn't get rid of it or the problems of it.
And neither has almost 100 years of criminalization of it gotten rid of it - in fact, it's very easy to make the argument that criminalization has actually made the problem far worse than it originally was, or than it ever might have been.

BTW, no advocate of legalization here - legalizing drug use (ie. specifically stating, in statute, that it is legal to use some substance) would indicate that the state somehow sanctions and/or approves of such things.

I don't think that as a matter of public health, or as a matter of general public policy, which is geared to having a rational, productive, and prosperous society, that would be very wise.

But decriminalization - where the state stands mute in terms of what substances one may ingest into one's own body, yes.

Legalization and decriminalization are not the same thing - not even close.

By the way, I would submit that in terms of getting rid of at least some of "the problems of it", taking the profit potential out of it would reduce much of the violent crime associated with illicit drug abuse - possibly almost all of it.

It's definitely no substitute for a completely drug-free society, but removing the murder and mayhem out of the picture would certainly be a good start.

I pointed out one of if not the only way to get rid of it, at least for the most part.
Sorry, but the next place you will be going is cutting off people's hands for stealing, or stoning the unfaithful for adultery ..... or far worse .....

If that's the best solution you are capable of evolving in terms of public policy, you may wish to seek out those places where there are others who commonly hold those types of views (as mentioned earlier) .....
 
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RLENT

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BTW Poorboy, just as a point in passing - I would have thought that as a former L.E.O. (it is you that is the former undercover narcotics officer, correct - or have I got you mixed up with someone else ?), that it probably would have been common knowledge and S.O.P. within the law enforcement community not to inform the potential target of a possible criminal investigation that you were going to contact the authorities about them breaking the law .... dunno ...... mebbe I'm missing something here ......

Of course, "Tomorrow Morning I'm Going to Make a Few Phone Calls, Even though It won't do any Good!!!!" is a rather apathetic state of mind .... so I guess I do understand ..... :(
 

LDB

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We don't fight drugs. We run a feel good program pretending to fight drugs. Our programs have never been more than the mommy repeatedly saying "don't do that sweetie". That may be ok for a 3 year old tempted to get into the cookie jar. It doesn't work with criminal behavior. You keep the little kid out of the cookies with a consequence that is too severe to risk sneaking into the cookies. You do the same with criminals. Make the consequence too severe to risk. I'm sure the thought of executing 3 time felon drug dealers is apoplectic to a liberal though.
 

Poorboy

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Well ... that should have been your first clue ...... might wanna pull out an atlas and have a look at exactly where Pakistan is located.

Technically - just to toss ya a bone :D - I guess one could say that it is, or more accurately, was, in the Middle East - although that use of the name for that region is archaic, outdated, and really not currently in much use.

But it certainly isn't in what is commonly understood by the general population to be the Middle East at the present time.


Yeah .... and everyone knows that "them people from the Middle East" are the only ones to talk to one another in their native tongues ....

BTW, do you have an ear for Urdu .... and can you recognize it when spoken ? Maybe Punjabi, Pashto, or Kashmiri ?

Or differentiate any of them from say Arabic, Kurdish, Armenian, or Persian ?

..... just curious ......

I'm Standing on what I Said!! You Can put out All of the Rhetoric you want But as Far as I am Concerned they Were/Are from the Middle East I am Not about to Get out any Atlas to See Just where Pakistan is, You Yourself said that at One time Pakistan was considered in the Middle East! And I Really don't give a Fat Babies Butt Where it is!! Now You Can "Nit Pik" What I said All You want Because I Find it Quite Humorous But I'm Standing with what I Said!! Soooo Have at it :D
 

Poorboy

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The reason racist accusations arise is because you make the point to bring race into your post. When you say "those Middle Eastern People" in a post where the origin of the people have absolutley no bearing, you bring this on to yourself. You also make a point of saying " I saw a Woman who I won't Describe because Someone would Call Me a Racist" then mention a very cheap brand of wine. You are asking to be called a racist, and this post is a quite obvious troll. You should read the code of conduct poorboy. When you walk and talk like a racist do not be surprised when you are called one.

What does the Brand of Wine have to do with Anything Except that's what she Bought? If she would Have Bought Some High End Wine then I would Have Posted it, But it was Wild Irish Rose!! I have read the code of Conduct and it doesn't say anything in Regards to what I Posted!! :D
 
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