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[ratwell71]

All of us have different windows of references here. Some choose to reframe and rebuild their windows to make theirs larger while others are comfortable with the same old view.

I choose to be enlightened with facts not propaganda.

 

[Turtle]

Turtle,

Actually you are quoting from the Old Testament. Each author of a book, not the Bible, lends itself to a different perspective, however, God's word to us is based on our convictions not perspective. Right versus wrong is very definitive, however, we can choose to go against what we feel is right to do the wrong thing when it serves us at the moment.

Make no mistake, your convictions are based on your perspective. How you interpret things, how you look at them, that's the perspective from which all of your convictions are formed. They have to be, otherwise, you're sheep.

"Actually the cult thing is funny because I belong to no religion or cult. God is everywhere in the world not just in the USA."

Well, I'm glad someone else thought it was funny. It was supposed to be.

"I pray in my truck. How is that for a cult?"

Kewl. A cult of one.

"I appreciate the different views, but I think I will trust in the word of God over man any day. The problem with not fearing God is what has made His laws to man ignored."

Well, the problem is, God didn't have a stenographer, so you have to be careful about which words were His, and which ones were someone else's that were used to control people of the day. There was a lot of that. The difference between the two Testaments is massive. Look where the Old Testament came from, then look where the New Testament came from.

"No disrespect to anyone."

I agree.



Greg:

In a very real sense, I don't think you are wrong at all in saying that Christianity is a form of Judaism, because of their common origins and many of the similarities. But they truly are very different religions. Jews and Christians are so intertwined in their origins and history, as well as in scriptures, religious concepts and practices, that Christianity can’t be understood without reference to Judaism.

Judaism really isn't a form of Christianity, they merely have a common ancestry. They are similar in many ways, and it's easy to think one is a form of the other, but they are fundamentally different. To Judaism, Jesus is a foreign God. Many Christians will say that they and Jews worship the same God, and that makes sense 'cause they do. But Judaism has strict Laws and guidelines that define these things, and the Christian belief in Jesus directly contradict and contravene those Laws and guidelines.

Very few Christians have much of an understanding of Jewish Law. Why would they? But as a result, they don't really know how and why their beliefs contradict Judaism. The biggest and most obvious difference they see (and it's usually the only one they see) is that they believe that the Messiah has come, and Jews know that the Messiah has not yet come, could not possibly have come yet. That alone should be enough of a difference to make the two religions distinct, but the differences are far greater than just that.

Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, are Abramic religions (decended from Abraham). Christianity originated with Judaism, but made a fundamental split the minute Jesus died. Christianity began as one of only two of the diverse forms of first-century Judaism that survived the destruction of the second temple by the Romans in the year 70. The other was rabbinic Judaism, which continues in contemporary Judaism. Jews read the Torah, Christian read it too, same versus, only they call it the Old Testament (ask a Jew what they think of the New Testament). Throughout the Old Testament God kept promising a messiah that would save the Jews. Christians believed that messiah to be Jesus. Whoops. The Jews are still waiting.

One can convincingly argue that Orthodox Jews are the only ones following the rules, and the other four forms of Judaism, and the more than 1000 forms (gasp!) of Christianity are merely pretenders who have broken off and twisted things to suit their own wants, needs, desires and beliefs. Well, an Orthodox Jew might make that argument, anyway, and he might be right. Some reforms may make sense in order to survive modern times and a larger, more diverse world. But, one thousand forms of Christianity should give one pause to step back and take a close look at what they are believing. But it rarely does.

 

[Turtle]

I could not have said it better!!!!!

Sure you could. You could have posted a link instead of the entire article.

I choose to be enlightened with facts not propaganda.

Propaganda is merely the spreading of information to promote a cause. Propaganda can be pure lies, or it can be stone cold fact. Religious beliefs are, in fact, propaganda.

 

[greg334]

I choose to be enlightened with facts not propaganda.

Ratwell,

It is funny you say this, you posted something from Ajit Dongre, read up on him.

 

[ratwell71]

Turtle,

Perspective: The relationship of aspects of a subject to each other and to a whole: a perspective of history; a need to view the problem in the proper perspective.

Subjective evaluation of relative significance; a point of view: the perspective of the displaced homemaker.

The ability to perceive things in their actual interrelations or comparative importance: tried to keep my perspective throughout the crisis.

Conviction: An unshakable belief in something without need for proof or evidence.

These are not synonyms. One can be seen and the other only by belief and faith.

Cult: A group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.

One person cult? Good grief guy I thought you would come up with something a little more ingenious. I guess all those that follow the Bible and believe in God are cult members. Is that what you are trying to say? Because I cannot see the connection. You are reaching but I guess it is too far out of your grasp.

I believe in God. I do not follow a religion or cult. I do not believe in RELIGION. Period. Nothing can be read out of context here unless you are illiterate.

 

[ratwell71]

Sure you could. You could have posted a link instead of the entire article.

Yeah I like it that way... Some people have dial up so I choose to place the whole article and not just the link for their benefit.


Propaganda is merely the spreading of information to promote a cause. Propaganda can be pure lies, or it can be stone cold fact. Religious beliefs are, in fact, propaganda.

You got it. "Religious" beliefs are, but God's word is not. Swing it the way you like, but I believe that Jesus Christ walked this earth. It is my faith.

Now practice what you preach to others: I can rewrite my post to your liking if you want.