President O'Biden
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RLENT
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I think your sentiments are in the right place.
However, having said that, I don't think your number is accurate (90%) ... since it doesn't address the resources provided to polling locations, or the number of polling locations.
You can have a rural location with adequate staffing, voting equipment, etc. where it is a simple matter to walk in and vote and then walk out ... while at the same time have an urban location which is understaffed, lacks enough polling locations, equipment and so forth ... where people have very, very long waits to be able to vote.
The latter is by design ... and is intended ... because it makes certain populations less likely to vote.
One solution to that would be to make voting by mail - something which some states do - a lot easier ... but if having less people vote is one's goal, it wouldn't serve that purpose.
danthewolf00
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Vote by mail is to easy to cheat on unless you water mark or put some kind of hologram anti tampering.
RLENT
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Not necessarily.
Ok - water marks and holograms then and we should be good to go ?
danthewolf00
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RLENT
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You willing to have the states (or the feds) have a full registry of everyone's thumb prints in order to do the verification ?
You willing to have taxpayers foot the bill for what it would cost to administer that ?
It kinda seems like you are focused on adding further barriers to people being able to exercise their right to vote.
You have any further barriers you'd like to add ?
RLENT
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Uncle Joe continuing with the clean up of the trash and detritus left by his predecessor:
danthewolf00
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RLENT
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I notice you chose to ignore my previous question.
Just to clarify: it wasn't intended to be rhetorical.
Let me pose it again:
As far as your question goes, I could flip it and ask:
Can you prove there was no in-person voter fraud ?
That IS a rhetorical question - because we now know that there was (albeit fairly small) ... and apparently almost all from Republicans (likely Trump supporters)
The Trump team and Fox News alleged dead voters. Most cases were either debunked or actually involved Republicans.
The 2020 Voter Fraud Has Been Found And It Was Committed By Republicans
Since those initial reports even more have surfaced:
Florida The Villages residents accused of voter fraud in 2020 election after DeSantis pledges crackdown
Fourth resident of Florida Villages retirement community arrested on charges of voter fraud
While several of those individuals at The Villages list no party affiliation, it is known to be heavily Republican.
Shoot ... the GOP is even citing their own voters' fraud in court cases:
GOP attorneys flag Trump supporter’s arrest to bolster voter fraud claims
That's the sort of GOP'er Clown Show ya literally can't make up ...
muttly
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Apparently there was a bunch of (Democrat) ballot harvesting done in Georgia, which is illegal there. Busted
RLENT
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Whatever the case may be with that, it does not necessarily mean that any of the ballots were fraudulent ... which was the subject that we were discussing.
Fact check: Georgia investigation into alleged ballot harvesting is not evidence of election fraud
danthewolf00
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Well forensic audits seam to catch in-voter and mail in votes but Democrats sure seam to not want it done.....I notice you chose to ignore my previous question.
Just to clarify: it wasn't intended to be rhetorical.
Let me pose it again:
As far as your question goes, I could flip it and ask:
Can you prove there was no in-person voter fraud ?
That IS a rhetorical question - because we now know that there was (albeit fairly small) ... and apparently almost all from Republicans (likely Trump supporters)
The Trump team and Fox News alleged dead voters. Most cases were either debunked or actually involved Republicans.
The 2020 Voter Fraud Has Been Found And It Was Committed By Republicans
Since those initial reports even more have surfaced:
Florida The Villages residents accused of voter fraud in 2020 election after DeSantis pledges crackdown
Fourth resident of Florida Villages retirement community arrested on charges of voter fraud
While several of those individuals at The Villages list no party affiliation, it is known to be heavily Republican.
Shoot ... the GOP is even citing their own voters' fraud in court cases:
GOP attorneys flag Trump supporter’s arrest to bolster voter fraud claims
That's the sort of GOP'er Clown Show ya literally can't make up ...
That's a liberal talking point that has been proven not to be true. Overwhelmingly, the urban locations which are understaffed, lacks enough polling locations, equipment and so forth, are administered by Democrats, either within the Elections department, the Mayor and City Governments, or both.
RLENT
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Well, it's a officially a twofer ... as the Ohio Supreme Court smacks down the congressional maps (last time was state legislative districts) as violating the Ohio Constitution:
Ohio Supreme Court invalidates GOP-approved congressional map 'infused with undue partisan bias'
Same coalition as the last time, good to see bipartisanship at work for the greater good.
Writing for the majority, Justice Donnelly wrote:
Voters should choose their representatives ... representatives shouldn't choose their voters.
Ohio Supreme Court invalidates GOP-approved congressional map 'infused with undue partisan bias'
Same coalition as the last time, good to see bipartisanship at work for the greater good.
Writing for the majority, Justice Donnelly wrote:
Voters should choose their representatives ... representatives shouldn't choose their voters.
It's all a bunch of fraud and mismanagement when it's republicans and it's all fine and dandy when it's democrats. And all the fraud is always perpetrated by republicans of course, because democrats say so and their media says so. And all the known contradictory information is false of course.
RLENT
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Nope, that's simply untrue ... and your suggestion is, itself, laughable at best.
Had it happen right here in my own state.
In 2020, our (current) Republican SOS banned - during the middle of a global pandemic - off-site ballot drop boxes (and multiple ballot drop boxes) at any location other than a county Board of Elections, claiming that the law didn't allow it (untrue)
Despite three courts (both state and federal) finding that the plain meaning of the law did allow for multiple drop boxes (as well as at least two courts finding that off-site ballot drop boxes were permitted as well)
He then forbade the BoE in a large nearby county from creating a plan for additional ballot drop-off locations (not drop boxes) while litigation was pending in court on the additional off-site ballot drop boxes and required them to hold off on their plan to implement that - which would have eliminated the off-site drop-box issue - at six county libraries.
That plan actually was a bi-partisan plan agreed to with support from both Republicans and Democrats in that county, and the locations would have actually been staffed and manned by bi-partisan teams, including both Republican and Democratic members, of professional election workers form the County BoE.
He then misled a federal judge into thinking he would allow County Boards of Elections having additional ballot collection locations elsewhere besides at the Boards of Elections (after having prohibited off-site drop boxes) ... that federal judge found that the SoS did have authority to allow both additional ballot collection locations and off-site ballot drop boxes.
After the judge issued his order, the Republican SoS suddenly had a revelation and belatedly confessed that he hadn't actually agreed to allow additional ballot drop off locations and continued the prohibition. He then appealed that previous federal judge's ruling to the Court of Appeals.
Then, after that, he went so far as trying to limit the number of drop boxes at boards of Elections to just a single drop box at each County BoE ... all while disingenuously stating that he personally was in favor more ballot drop off boxes. The Ohio Sheet Metal workers even graciously offered to donate the materials and build them, so there would no cost to the state or counties involved.
At the appeals level, the court found that it was within the SoS' authority under the law to allow multiple ballot drop boxes, noting that nothing in their ruling prohibited him from doing so.
So having lost multiple times, and after wasting much time and taxpayer money fighting to make it harder for (some) citizens to vote, the SoS finally threw in the towel and agreed to allow more than one ballot drop box at each county BoE ... but those had to be onsite at the County BoE's location.
Basically it would have been 88 drop boxes had the Republican SoS had his way ... for a state with a population of nearly 12,000,000 people. My county (not the largest) has a population of over 500,000.
The idiocy of that - if it isn't already obvious - was that county populations in the state range from a low of around 13,000 to slightly over 1,300,000 - so there is unequal distribution of population, which equates to ... disparate impact.
So no - it isn't just "liberal talking point" (which itself is just a lazy way to address the issue) ... and that (so-called) "talking point" certainly hasn't been "proven not to be true".
The GOP guy before him who was SOS was arguably even worse and involved in all sorts of similar voter suppression shenanigans to make things unnecessarily hard for people to vote (you know: for certain populations ... wink, wink, nudge, nudge)
And the even more extremist GOP'ers in the legislature are up to similarly anti-democratic (note the small "d" there) shenanigans once again:
New Elections Law Proposal Would Limit Drop Boxes, Early Voting And Most Mail-In Ballots
The current SoS is a piece of un-patriotic, un-American scum ... just like the one that came before him ... as is anyone who does not support the cherished American principle of "one man, one vote" for citizens.
And this is but one example of how the modern GOP works to disenfranchise American citizens of their rights.
There are plenty more out there ... assuming one - acting in good faith - is willing to look.
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muttly
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RLENT
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Yes, it is a liberal talking point, and yes it has proven to be not true. Finding the exception to the rule doesn't make the rule void. There are exceptions to everything, and this topic is no different. My statement was not one of absolutes, yet you treated it as such. "Overwhelmingly" does not mean 100% of the time in all instances everywhere forever and ever amen.