Pirates
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Isn't that outside FBI jurisdiction?
XTeam
Seasoned Expediter
I know how to handle it!
Shoot a couple of holes in the rubber raft. Everyone including the rifles go in the ocean. Wait for them to hysterically beg for help. Take a few minutes and ask what they have to trade for their lives. Get the Captain out. Wait for a few minutes and ask the pirates if they intend to come back. Then get them out, throw them in prison with phone privledges so they can tell their buddies what happened. The ships should carry rifles to just blow holes in the rafts. End of problem. Linda
chefdennis
Veteran Expediter
linda wrote:
While I totally agree with you, the reason that merchant ships (which these are) don't have guns is becuase of the "common sense gun laws" that govern the open seas and international water and the water of foreign seaports, it is illegal for them to have guns.....so once again, we can see that the bad guys, (the pirates) always follow the law...........as do the law abiding citizens..........
While I totally agree with you, the reason that merchant ships (which these are) don't have guns is becuase of the "common sense gun laws" that govern the open seas and international water and the water of foreign seaports, it is illegal for them to have guns.....so once again, we can see that the bad guys, (the pirates) always follow the law...........as do the law abiding citizens..........
mjolnir131
Veteran Expediter
Somalia needs to be given an ultimatum. Either you clean up the pirate coast or the rest of the world will consider those pirates part of your navy then any and all incidents are an act of war ,them level the county and the problem is solved.
letzrockexpress
Veteran Expediter
Who do we give the ultimatum to? There is no organized government there...I heard these ships have water cannons to blast these pirates. what happened to that?
mjolnir131
Veteran Expediter
Your right in the sense that if you can't enforce your laws your not really a country. The reason for sending Mogadishu an ultimatum is so everything looks good on paper just before the big map change. It's a little smaller than Texas with about a third of Texas' population. Hell if we sent 1/2 of the Texas Rangers over there they would have it sanitized in under a week.
Water Cannons and the other non lethal weapons only work against pansy peace protesters who are cowards to begin with,easy to be against war while sitting on the corner of Haight&Ashbury so you can run home if it gets to scary. This incidents kinda is a case in point.
It's simple concept really in grade school if a dink can't get along with the sandbox rules the teacher removes them from the sandbox. Well it's time to start putting those that don't want to behave into a more permanent time out.
letzrockexpress
Veteran Expediter
Well apparently those hippies are working on greek oil tankers these days ....
Somali Pirates: Crew Use Water Jets To Defend Oil Tanker
MentalGiant
Seasoned Expediter
My question is, who is the laws suppose to protect? The bad guys? Obvisiously, since we can't defend ourselves being attacked by them.
chefdennis
Veteran Expediter
Wow that has worked wonders, ............wait the pirates are STILL taking ship, freight and sailors........guess it isn't a real deterient.....maybe using REAL GUNS and REAL ammo and killing those that try to broad a merchant ship with the intent of holding it for ransom would make a bit more of an better yet get the impression...............better yet get the company to write off a ship as a loss and blow the thing out of the water and time or 2 and see how thw somali's react then..........
As for the the priates holding the captain in the rubber raft now, use snipers from the navy destoryer that is there now to take them one 1 at a time till they either ket the caption go or everyone is dead......
Like barry does, its all about letting them know we are doing "something", might not be the right thing, but its something.........."
letzrockexpress
Veteran Expediter
Like you would even have the first clue....
mjolnir131
Veteran Expediter
Possibly the most absurd post i have seen in my life,and thats about all i can say about that.
letzrockexpress
Veteran Expediter
In your whole life? maybe you need to get out more...
chefdennis
Veteran Expediter
letzrock wrote:
Well, the way i see it, i have not only the 1st clue, but also the last clue for the pirates in this instance...........
Lets see, ARMED bad guys from Somalia, (think they got their weapons fron gun dealers in the U.S.?) chase, broad and take the crew hostage. Hold the ship and its cargo for ransom... then after the unarmed americans take back the ship, most of the pirates take off leaving a few armed bad guys who are still holding the captain of the ship....in a small boat that can't go anywhere.....they have broke more laws then one cares to think about, they are holding a man at gun point threatening to take his life.......and you see no reason to eliminate them in whatever fashion is deemed the best easiest most distasteful way to do it as to make even it is a little bit of an impression!?!!?
Hmmm, now that I don't have a clue about....lets talk with them, mollie coddle them, make them know this is wrong and they should stop and not do it again, oh and they should tell everyone else that they need to stop too....yea that will work, maybe as good as the water cannons............
Well, the way i see it, i have not only the 1st clue, but also the last clue for the pirates in this instance...........
Lets see, ARMED bad guys from Somalia, (think they got their weapons fron gun dealers in the U.S.?) chase, broad and take the crew hostage. Hold the ship and its cargo for ransom... then after the unarmed americans take back the ship, most of the pirates take off leaving a few armed bad guys who are still holding the captain of the ship....in a small boat that can't go anywhere.....they have broke more laws then one cares to think about, they are holding a man at gun point threatening to take his life.......and you see no reason to eliminate them in whatever fashion is deemed the best easiest most distasteful way to do it as to make even it is a little bit of an impression!?!!?
Hmmm, now that I don't have a clue about....lets talk with them, mollie coddle them, make them know this is wrong and they should stop and not do it again, oh and they should tell everyone else that they need to stop too....yea that will work, maybe as good as the water cannons............
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letzrockexpress
Veteran Expediter
Ok, well, so much my afternoon jabs.. I gotta go back to work.
Go back to work?? Sounds like a hourly job!!
mjolnir131
Veteran Expediter
I do get out, and even having been to a few of the conspiracy web sites and creationist web sites i can say that with an open conscience
Re: Pirates! HOW TO HANDLE IT?
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Toss black mamba into rubber dingy! ..throw rutsack full of monopoly money-just shy of dingy!! greasy bucket of FAST FOOD then wait..Great Springtime Wine! or Red, White, and Rose Wines - Perfect for hostage takers..wait 30 minutes You'll find juicy aromas and flavors of ripe strawberry with just a hint of tangy pomegranate on the finish. Provence rose is legendary - dry with delicious fruit flavor - OR if to fruity-"In terms of bang for the buck, it has no challenger. The 2007 Burgans Albarino is light gold-colored with a sprightly nose of mineral, spring flowers, and lemon peel. Ripe, balanced, and concentrated"!!
find out why!
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Re: Pirates! HOW TO HANDLE IT?
Wow, the assumptions, and recommendations to be found in this thread are at best silly, and at worst just stoopid. For one, it's not a rubber raft. It's a seaworthy tender, with a cabin and everything, en enclosed lifeboat made of reinforced fiberglass that hold food and water for 34 people for 10 days. Pirates generally attack using swift, open skifs, but that's not what they're holding the hostage aboard. It's a lifeboat from the Maersk ship. Also, a sniper? That one's especially funny. It's very, very hard for a sniper to hit a floating, moving target from a floating, moving target, within a margin of inches, when both floating, moving targets are moving by a matter of feet. It's even harder for 4 snipers to hit 4 targets simultaneously.
And since the sniper's platform is miles away from the raft, I'm guessing that the distance is another factor that's gonna play into all this. The Navy has eyesight on the raft, but they ain't all that close. The best surveillance is happening via surveillance aircraft.
Add to that, everyone is below deck, inside the cabin, and you can only see them through portholes, so I'm guessing that's another difficulty factor that might be should maybe be possibly also be considered.
No guns on the high seas is generally the rule, but there are exceptions. The Maersk ship now has 18 armed Navy sailors courtesy of the USS Bainbridge. But the biggest impediment to firearms aboard most cargo ships is the cargo itself and that most merchant marines are not well trained in firearms. Some of the cargo is highly explosive. Can you imagine trying to get insurance for a supertanker if you were carrying firearms aboard? Even emergency flares are tightly controlled aboard ship. Most cargo ships carry at least some seriously nasty HAZMAT, and if a gun battle were to break out on the ship, there's too much of a chance that something really bad can go wrong.
The FBI is involved because there's an American citizen involved and it's in International Waters. The pirates are backed into a pretty tight corner, there's no way out, and at this point their only "out" is to stay alive. If they see no way that that's gonna happen, then the captain's life is less than worthless to them. The closer the Navy ships get to the raft, the more nervous the pirates get. It's a tough situation with no quick, easy solution.
Wow, the assumptions, and recommendations to be found in this thread are at best silly, and at worst just stoopid. For one, it's not a rubber raft. It's a seaworthy tender, with a cabin and everything, en enclosed lifeboat made of reinforced fiberglass that hold food and water for 34 people for 10 days. Pirates generally attack using swift, open skifs, but that's not what they're holding the hostage aboard. It's a lifeboat from the Maersk ship. Also, a sniper? That one's especially funny. It's very, very hard for a sniper to hit a floating, moving target from a floating, moving target, within a margin of inches, when both floating, moving targets are moving by a matter of feet. It's even harder for 4 snipers to hit 4 targets simultaneously.
And since the sniper's platform is miles away from the raft, I'm guessing that the distance is another factor that's gonna play into all this. The Navy has eyesight on the raft, but they ain't all that close. The best surveillance is happening via surveillance aircraft.
Add to that, everyone is below deck, inside the cabin, and you can only see them through portholes, so I'm guessing that's another difficulty factor that might be should maybe be possibly also be considered.
No guns on the high seas is generally the rule, but there are exceptions. The Maersk ship now has 18 armed Navy sailors courtesy of the USS Bainbridge. But the biggest impediment to firearms aboard most cargo ships is the cargo itself and that most merchant marines are not well trained in firearms. Some of the cargo is highly explosive. Can you imagine trying to get insurance for a supertanker if you were carrying firearms aboard? Even emergency flares are tightly controlled aboard ship. Most cargo ships carry at least some seriously nasty HAZMAT, and if a gun battle were to break out on the ship, there's too much of a chance that something really bad can go wrong.
The FBI is involved because there's an American citizen involved and it's in International Waters. The pirates are backed into a pretty tight corner, there's no way out, and at this point their only "out" is to stay alive. If they see no way that that's gonna happen, then the captain's life is less than worthless to them. The closer the Navy ships get to the raft, the more nervous the pirates get. It's a tough situation with no quick, easy solution.