Obamnasty

Yowpuggy

Expert Expediter
Owner/Operator
“Reason and facts are sacrificed to opinion and myth. Demonstrable falsehoods are circulated and recycled as fact. Narrow minded opinion refuses to be subjected to thought and analysis. Too many now subject events to a prefabricated set of interpretations, usually provided by a biased media source. The myth is more comfortable than the often difficult search for truth.”
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
“President Obama has achieved a 6.1% unemployment rate in his sixth year, fully one year faster than President Reagan did. At this point in his presidency, President Reagan was still struggling with 7.1% unemployment, and he did not reach into the mid-low 6% range for another full year. So, despite today’s number, the Obama administration has still done considerably better at job creating and reducing unemployment than did the Reagan administration.
That's from the Forbes piece, right?

Sorry
 

paulnstef39

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
Why don't you graph the % of the US population that are fully employed over time. Completely different song.
EDlT: Thanks turtle, that has the graph l was referencing.
 

Pilgrim

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
To claim Obama and the Democrats' management of the economy better than that of the Reagan years is sheer fantasy. One simple statistic offers a critical indicator of Obama's failure: average household income has declined 8.3% since Obama took office, and median household income is down 9% since 1999 - this from the Huffington Post, not exactly a cheerleader for conservative policies. However, as the average American has done worse the rich have gotten richer under Obama; the irony of truth is both sad and funny.
The top 5 percent of all households earned 22.3 percent of all the nation's income in 2012, matching its haul in 2011. The median income of households in the top 5 percent rose to $318,052 from $317,950 in 2011. The income of these highest-earning Americans has recovered completely from a dip during and after the recession, compared with the 8 percent decline for the median American household.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/17/median-income-falls-inequality_n_3941514.html
To summarize the Reagan recovery and its lasting effects:
Spending during Reagan's two terms (FY 1981–88) averaged 22.4% GDP, well above the 20.6% GDP average from 1971 to 2009. In addition, the public debt rose from 26% GDP in 1980 to 41% GDP by 1988. In dollar terms, the public debt rose from $712 billion in 1980 to $2.052 trillion in 1988, a roughly three-fold increase.[4]:143 The unemployment rate rose from 7% in 1980 to 10.8% in 1982, then declined to 5.4% in 1988. The inflation rate declined from 10% in 1980 to 4% in 1988.[2]

Some economists have stated that Reagan's policies were an important part of bringing about the second longest peacetime economic expansion in U.S. history.[26][27] During the Reagan administration, the American economy went from a GDP growth of -0.3% in 1980 to 4.1% in 1988 (in constant 2005 dollars), averaging 7.91% annual growth in current dollars.[28] This reduced the unemployment rate by 1.6%, from 7.1% in 1980 to 5.5% in 1988.[29][30] A net job increase of about 21 million also occurred through mid-1990. Reagan's administration is the only one not to have raised the minimum wage.[31] The inflation rate, 13.5% in 1980, fell to 4.1% in 1988, which was achieved by applying high interest rates by the Federal Reserve (peaking at 20% in June 1981).[32] The latter contributed to a relatively brief recession in late 1981 and early 1982 where unemployment rose to 9.7% and GDP fell by 1.9%.

The misery index, defined as the inflation rate added to the unemployment rate, shrunk from 19.33 when he began his administration to 9.72 when he left, the greatest improvement record for a President since Harry S. Truman left office.[33] In terms of American households, the percentage of total households making less than $10,000 a year (in real 2007 dollars) shrunk from 8.8% in 1980 to 8.3% in 1988 while the percentage of households making over $75,000 went from 20.2% to 25.7% during that period, both signs of progress.[34]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaganomics
 

Pilgrim

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
If one is part of the Obama fan club and drinker of the koolaid then Obama is great, the economy is great, unemployment is almost a thing of the past and everything else is great as well. If one thinks both sides stink and are culpable to some degree then Obama stinks, the economy is poor and unemployment is very high among other problems in the nation.
 

paulnstef39

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
zfvzsx ouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugggggb ko/*

Damn Ferret
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
It is pretty simple. Even the majority of democrats say the economy is struggling. Hillary is banking on it.
 

Pilgrim

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Middle class Americans don't work at entry level, low skill, minimum wage jobs. For the economically challenged, here are a few undeniable facts:
That group represents 4.3% of the nation’s 75.9 million hourly-paid workers and 2.6% of all wage and salary workers...
People at or below the federal minimum are:
  • Disproportionately young: 50.4% are ages 16 to 24; 24% are teenagers (ages 16 to 19).
  • Mostly (77%) white; nearly half are white women.
  • Largely part-time workers (64% of the total).
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/09/08/who-makes-minimum-wage/

Sadly enough, many people who once had middle to upper-middle class jobs are now having to take these low skill, low paying, part time jobs thanks to Obamanomics eliminating the decent jobs they once held. It's not unusual for experienced, educated people having to take two jobs for which they are vastly overqualified to support their families. Blaming the Republicans for Obama's sorry economic recovery and declining quality of life for the American middle class is a joke.
 
  • Like
Reactions: davekc

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
Middle class Americans don't work at entry level, low skill, minimum wage jobs. For the economically challenged, here are a few undeniable facts:


Sadly enough, many people who once had middle to upper-middle class jobs are now having to take these low skill, low paying, part time jobs thanks to Obamanomics eliminating the decent jobs they once held. It's not unusual for experienced, educated people having to take two jobs for which they are vastly overqualified to support their families. Blaming the Republicans for Obama's sorry economic recovery and declining quality of life for the American middle class is a joke.

After almost eight years, it gets a little hard to blame it on Bush or the republicans. They do have their faults. If you are going down that path, might want to start with Carter.
 

witness23

Veteran Expediter
Your funny. So raise the minimum wage, and just today you get this. So predictable.
The gap raises wages, and then cuts jobs. Same with the majority of them that followed that path.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/gap-plans-to-close-stores-cut-jobs-1434399781

I'm not a subscriber to the WSJ online and can't read the whole article, can you post the whole the story that you linked? Gap has had troubles for a while, I find it hard to believe their closures are because the raised the minimum wage.
 

aristotle

Veteran Expediter
The way the Obama administration distorts and manipulates data we will soon be told the unemployment rate is nearly zero. They change methodologies to arrive at favorable numbers whenever it suits them.
 

witness23

Veteran Expediter
I was hoping to see the entire article you linked to on the Gap store closings which you claim are because they raised their minimum wage but I see you haven't.
I've known Gap has been in trouble for quite some time and it's not because of what they pay their employees. It's a whole host of issues but like I said, the Republican base is prone to oversimplification to difficult issues. Seems your comment is a bit disingenuous at best.

An article from 2011:
Gap to Slash Its Store Count

Excerpts from the article:

Gap's struggles in the U.S. market have been largely of its own making. The company's merchandising team consistently has failed to come up with compelling styles and was late to some lucrative trends like premium jeans. Mr. Murphy shook up the unit's leadership in February and replaced its top designer, Patrick Robinson, in May, but his moves have yet to bear fruit.

One place consumers are spending is online. Many retailers, including some with stagnant brick-and-mortar sales, are seeing double-digit growth in e-commerce. "Retailers were overstored before we headed into the downturn," said Edward Yruma, a senior apparel and retail analyst at Keybanc Capital Markets. "Given the way consumers are spending, coupled with the fact more are going online, we just need fewer stores."
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
I've known Gap has been in trouble for quite some time and it's not because of what they pay their employees. It's a whole host of issues...
... in which what they pay their employees is a part. It's not the primary issue, too be sure, but it's a factor. In their most recent annual shareholders report one of the things they specifically noted was that the increase in the minimum wage paid did not produce the predicted sales increases resulting from the public relations and advertising benefits of raising the wages. And as a result, in part, it could mean the closing of several underperforming stores, especially in longstanding locations which have become stagnant.
 
Top