North Korea Launches Missle as Promised

chefdennis · Apr 5, 2009

North Korea launches rocket, sparks international criticism

North Korea launches rocket, sparks international criticism - CNN.com

SEOUL, South Korea (CNN) -- North Korea followed through Sunday on its publicly-stated intention to launch to a long-range rocket, defying a series of warnings from the international community and setting off a firestorm of criticism in the process....

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So hillary ran her mouth , barry flapped his lips, japan said they were going to shot it down, the UN said KIM was a BAD BOY for considering this.....he told them all to "get over it" and he did it!!

So now barry, whats up uour sleeve? N nice "talking to" Kim and asking him not to do it again?? Yoiu got nothing!! KIM told you and the rest of the world to take a hike and he won. This "emergency" UN meeting today, is a joke....china and russia hold veto power over anything that might even look like a sanction against KIM and N.korea, and they have already said that all nations need to remain calm. LOL!!

KIM & N. Korea ..........................1

barry and the rest of the world......0

The point of this launch wasn't about KIM putting a satelite into space, if he did, that would have been ok with him, but for him it was all about showing the NEW PARLIAMENT that will meet in N. Korea tommorrow that he is in charge and that he just showed the rest of the world that they can go screw themselves.... The launch was strictly symbolic....and you know what....IT WORKED PERFECTLY!!

He told the world he was going to do it, everyone said "no you aren't, hilliary condemned it, barry flapped his lips, japan told them they would shot it down, the US and S korea had warsgips in position to shot it down, NO ONE DID A **** THEY WHEN IT WENT..

So barry show us you have a pair, show us just that you and hillary have it under control and what you are going to do....because you ain't gettin nothin from the UN.......and you ain't got nothin up your sleeve either...LOL...

this idiot in chief is going to be the end of this countries ability to defend itself let alone be a military deterient against this very type of thing from even stronger countries then N.Korea within a short time....hope you all are ready to defend and hold your positions....

LOL, what you just seen KIM do, did nothing but strengthen the hand of very country that is the enemy of the US......and barry will continue to smile and "talk" to them and they will continue to listen shake hands , agree with thim in oerson, and laugh at him and our country as they plan the "show" of power, as our militarty is weakened.....

barry is "talking to Russia about getting rid of nukes, lol they agreed to talk about, and they will even go as far as to do it, they will just ship them to Hugo , a bit closer to us....And they will laugh at barry as the shake hands with him and and put their nukes on ships......

OntarioVanMan · Apr 5, 2009

Unfortunately...we can't go around suppressing every country from evolving and going forward...The right of country to self rule no matter if it is N.Korea...Third world countries are progressing and military advancements will happen...We can't go around suppressing every countries right to defend themselves. And we sure can not afford to defend them.

BTW Japan said they would shoot it down only if it appeared to go wrong or stray off course. Not shoot it down outright.

Short of going to war theres not much we can do...

layoutshooter · Apr 5, 2009

I am not sure I agree with you on that one, OVM. That is the attitude that allowed Hitler to do what he did and Soviet Russia to enslave most of Eastern Europe. We can and MUST stop North Korea BEFORE they become a bigger threat than they are. It is in our best interest and the worlds in general that we do. Once the "New Axis" consolidates thier power it will be much much harder to stop them and will cost millions of lives, Just has it always has in the past. The new "Axis" Russia, China and North Korea. North Korea has no need for an ICBM or nukes. There is no real threat facing them. If the U.S. had wanted to attack them we would have sometime over the past 40 years. They want power for powers sake, nothing more. They follow in the proud tradition of every one of thier ilk that came before, Hitler, Stalin, Mau etc. remeber that those types of governments, not ours, accounted for the extermination of close to 100 MILLION people last centurey. Want to let it start again? Not me. Layoutshooter

OntarioVanMan · Apr 5, 2009

Do you want world domination by one country? Isn't that what we are fighting against? If we are the dominators we are no better then what we are fighting against. ???

If it comes to war so be it....we settle it on the battlefield....death, mayhem and destruction....
Nothing congeals a country like war...full employment...trim the population...the economy would pick up greatly....its been too long without a full blown war and look at the condition of all the world, not just here....It begs for a war...

chefdennis · Apr 5, 2009

I totally agree with Layout, we have to deter this crap not "wait" and see what happens....but the lib dems have no stomach for war and or the force needed to even stop this type of thing, now we have a idiot in the white house who is going to "talk" everyone out of bad things..........well where was his talk" hillary spoke, barry spoke, KIM flipped them off...Good start there barry...well i guess it isn't a start since he has mailed letters to iran and russia that he thought would be secret and the proceded to laugh their azzs off at hom and make those letters public, showin his lack of intelligence in dealing with foreign policy and his ignoance in even writing letters that he felt were and would be held in secret....lol...

No barry has no clue and yes we should have taken those rockets off the pads, and left the chips fall where they may...But that doesn't fit with barrys "new, nicer, lets talk it out" foreign policy......as he weakens our defenses and or deterient side if our military.....

chefdennis · Apr 5, 2009

OVM wrote:

Nothing congeals a country like war...full employment...trim the population...the economy would pick up greatly....its been too long without a full blown war and look at the condition of all the world, not just here....It begs for a war...

I totally 110% agree! And like any male, all we need is a time and place, no rerason....just do it!!

And don't think for a minute that N. korea was going to cause a war with the US if we had taken those rockets off the pad..they are no threat to us in a war...China and Russia may be their main support in everything from economics at food, to UN backing, neither of then are going to let N. Korea take on yhe US or Japan for that matter...they would put a stop to it in a heartbeat....They did nothing about this launch because they knew ot was never a threat, it was a a contrived show of power for KIM to show up barry.....and make a statement to N. Koreas new parliament.... nothing else... this isn't about warfare, its about politics and showing the world that barry is an idiot......

layoutshooter · Apr 5, 2009

I do not want world domination. We did not take and hold Germany, Japan or Italy after WW2. We spent hundreds of millions rebuilding them to avoid a repeat of what happend after WW1. They are NOT puppets of the U.S. and quite independent of us, as we like it. North Korea is a total mess. The people lacking even in lifes basic needs. They are that way because a GOVERNMENT insures that they are. The people there have no power. They are controlled and dominated. I for one do NOT want a repeat of last centruy. We know what the cause were, we know the waring signs, they are going on now as we speak. This launch proves it. We have two and ONLY two choices, fight a little one now or the BIG one later. What are your wishes? Big or little? The UN will do nothing. Barry and Co. will do nothing. Looks like a repeat of the 1900's . God help us if we fail to stop it. Layoutshooter

OntarioVanMan · Apr 5, 2009

Chef said...

this isn't about warfare, its about politics and showing the world that barry is an idiot......

And your point is

Are they wrong?

layoutshooter · Apr 5, 2009

Yep, Barry is wrong, as was Clinton and Carter. Weakness invites attack and causes war. Layoutshooter

OntarioVanMan · Apr 5, 2009

layoutshooter said:
I do not want world domination. We did not take and hold Germany, Japan or Italy after WW2. We spent hundreds of millions rebuilding them to avoid a repeat of what happend after WW1. They are NOT puppets of the U.S. and quite independent of us, as we like it. North Korea is a total mess. The people lacking even in lifes basic needs. They are that way because a GOVERNMENT insures that they are. The people there have no power. They are controlled and dominated. I for one do NOT want a repeat of last centruy. We know what the cause were, we know the waring signs, they are going on now as we speak. This launch proves it. We have two and ONLY two choices, fight a little one now or the BIG one later. What are your wishes? Big or little? The UN will do nothing. Barry and Co. will do nothing. Looks like a repeat of the 1900's . God help us if we fail to stop it. Layoutshooter

Layout...I agree...WE have to power to stop nearly any country from a threatening move....We have the benefit of history....

layoutshooter · Apr 5, 2009

We do but we won't. Power is a tool and just like every other tool it can be used for good or evil. North Korea is a prime example of using power for evil. So is Iran, Russia and China. Knowing history and the recent history of the very countries in question, do we use our power for good and try to stop the terror we see coming or sit back and allow millions to be exterminated. Please, do not get me wrong. I don't believe that the U.S. is always or has in the past been all perfect and right. We have, however, for all our faults, tried. The potential enslavement of much of the world and the potential deaths of millions will be as much on our hands as those who "do the deed" if we fail to act. Layoutshooter

OntarioVanMan · Apr 5, 2009

I do believe there is a fine line....every society has to evolve in its own way...as long as it doesn't impact other societies from their own course of evolving....If we interfere and inject our beliefs it won't work... They have to work out their own destiny sometimes....
Just think what might have been if France had of sided with the British....The Revolution would have been drastically changed...

layoutshooter · Apr 5, 2009

The "TEST" would be the obvious intentions of the country in question. North Korea is KNOWN for a FACT to be a murderous country. It's rulers rule by terror and death. They use things like food as a weapon and have enslaved the nation. They want thiis power to project that terror on as many other as they can. I will "Pick" on Canada for my other side example. I, as you know don't like the socialism that Canada seems to want to follow, though that has moderated somewhat of late. There was no attempt to project that idealogy on the U.S. by force. Canada did within it's borders. North Korea does NOT want to stay within it's borders and does not, in any way, shape or form, put the good of it's own people, let alone any others, first. Layoutshooter

FIS53 · Apr 5, 2009

While the idea of restricting nuke weapons is great and applaudable we have a problem in that sovereign nations have the right to self determination, defense and exploitation of technologies available around the world. The US has a bad reputation and image around the world for a variety of reasons. Some is from the interference in the central and south american nations (fighting communist expansion), some from business ventures in foreign countries that were more beneficial for the US parent than the host country/citizens (BTW the british were about as bad and in some cases worse) and others from US policies and interference in world affairs (the appearance of the US forcing its ideals on others).

Where do you start and end interference? The US can not be the worlds policeman through military actions against sovereign nations just because someone is doing something internally not to US ideals.

All through history if great nations had taken action sooner than later things would be different in the world. But that's not how it works. The British could have halted Napoleon sooner than they did and they and France could have halted Hitler sooner by standing up to him prior to the occupation of Czechoslovakia (combined the british and french had much superior forces and equipment).

Because of treaties, alliances and the rights of a sovereign nation we are unfortunately in a position to condem but not in a position to act without being the aggressor without just cause in the eyes of the world and to our own citizens.

If the US were to take action against N Korea to rid it of nukes and a harsh dictator you would have to ask the question of why no interference in Zimbabwe and other nations where the citizens have suffered terribly over the years and have been crying for help.

While I agree that nukes should not be in the hands of every govt on earth and it would be better if there were none except to defend the planet, we can not disregard the rights of other countries or sometime in the future one of them will disregard our rights.
Rob

OntarioVanMan · Apr 5, 2009

Awwwww...2 Canucks and a Yank....

Thanks for chiming in....F1553...

Your post was my point....

layoutshooter · Apr 5, 2009

So, do you support the "right" of North Korea to enslave and murder their own peopl and the peoples of the world? Canada should and must join in. Canada was only slightly better than the U.S. was at the onset of WWII. They entered sooner than we did but still did NOTHING to prevent it. Canada as well as the U.S. and Britian, could have stopped Russia BEFORE they had nukes. None of us did anything. They exterminated over 20 million. Two choices only, fight it small or big. That is one of the main lessons of history. Have we learned or are we doomed to repeat it all again? Take your pick, I have made mine. Layoutshooter

OntarioVanMan · Apr 5, 2009

I don't care about N.Korea as long as they contain there own problems within it's borders....IF the people want change it is up to them to have the will to oust power hungry leaders....a revolution....If we were to have another civil war how many other countries would "interfere"

layoutshooter · Apr 5, 2009

The ability to launch and arm an ICBM is not to keep it in thier border. We could have and should have finished this in the '50s layoutshooter

chefdennis · Apr 5, 2009

FIS53 WROTE:

we can not disregard the rights of other countries or sometime in the future one of them will disregard our rights.
Rob

Sure we can, we have and we will again. As soon os the world show barry out to be the idiot he really is..

As i said in another post, all we need is a time and place, don't need a reason, just do it.......

layoutshooter · Apr 5, 2009

As to the North Korean people ridding themselfs of that "bunch" that rules them, they have not the power. NO private gun ownership. NO ability to fight back. Layoutshooter