New Missouri law expands authorization for deadly

OntarioVanMan

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Crooks in Missouri would be wise to think long and hard about partaking in any future criminal activity. A new law that takes effect this week expands gun rights in Missouri.

Dubbed the “Castle Doctrine,†it is intended to expand a person’s justifications for using deadly force in self defense beyond the traditional defense of one’s home.

Until now, Missouri law justified the use of deadly force only if people believed it was necessary to protect themselves or others from death or serious injury.

As of Tuesday, Aug. 28, people in homes, as well as car and truck drivers, will have wide discretion in the use of deadly force against intruders. People will be immune from criminal and civil actions for killing or injuring someone if it is in self-defense or in defense of other people.

It allows the use of deadly force against anyone who illegally and forcibly enters a dwelling or vehicle if the owner “had reason to believe†that a crime was occurring or had occurred. People no longer will be required to retreat from an intruder before using deadly force.

The change will not apply during instances when the intruder is a law enforcement officer or when the resident or driver is committing such felonies as murder, robbery or rape.

According to the National Rifle Association, the Show-Me State becomes the 19th state to adopt such rules.

Supporters say the protection gives the public another tool to stop home invasions, burglaries and “carjackings.†They also say it will put a stop to frivolous lawsuits against residents by criminals who are injured during the commission of a crime.

Opponents say the law relieves people of too much responsibility for unnecessary violence. They say it is dangerous to presume that break-ins and burglaries are intended to inflict bodily harm.

The rule also eliminates from state law a requirement that people obtain permits from their local sheriff before getting a handgun. People still are required to obtain permits to carry concealed weapons.
 

greg334

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And?

What's your point?

I mean are we going to see a bloodbath in Missouri we have seen in Texas?
 

OntarioVanMan

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RE: New Missouri law expands authorization for dea

Point??? No Point....Just tossing it unto the floor....I suspect Leo will be ecstatic....*l*
 

greg334

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RE: New Missouri law expands authorization for dea

I was hoping you would add to it, like to counter this;

Ban handguns, and watch the crime rates to up! It's a lesson as old as the idea of gun control, but liberals just seem to be real slow learners.

"In 1997 Great Britain instituted a ban on firearms. For those of you relying on the government for your education, that was 10 years ago. So ... that would mean that Britain has just been a perfectly safe place to live for ten years or so ... and getting safer, right.

Wrong.

It would seem that crimes committed with guns have just about doubled since the ownership of these guns was banned. Let's say it again ... ban guns, gun crime doubles.

It doesn't take much more than a room temperature IQ to figure out that when the law says that you can't have a gun, only people who obey the law are likely to get rid of their guns. In the meantime, those who prey on others relax in the knowledge that it is less likely that their victim is going to be armed.

And so it is around the world. Ban guns and gun crimes increase. Legalize guns and crime rates drop. How in the world do we get liberals to understand this?"[/]i
 

LDB

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RE: New Missouri law expands authorization for dea

I'm glad to see that they've now said that what is only common sense is legal. Who in their right mind would say you have to retreat from a criminal rather than defend yourself?????? Britain isn't the only good example. Here in the states we have Morton Grove, IL and Kennesaw, GA as prime examples of the absolute and total failure of legislating against objects rather than people.

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OntarioVanMan

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RE: New Missouri law expands authorization for dea

Greg....Leo has edumacated me....No gun banning here anymore....I have a changed opinion.
 

greg334

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RE: New Missouri law expands authorization for dea

Leo,
The best example that you can ever use is New Orleans with their horrible government.

Let's take the guns away, fire the police chief and allow the department make a mess of things - it is sad when Detroit get applications from N.O. LEOs.
 

cheri1122

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That's good news, OVM - for the people in 19 states, anyway. Particularly welcome is the part about deterring frivolous lawsuits, though there's a simple way to do that - make the attorney(s) pay for wasting the court's time, if a judge determines the case is without merit. Or, use a 3 judge panel, to maintain impartiality, and have all potential lawsuits prescreened - at the attorneys' expense.
 

LDB

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> That's good news, OVM - for the people in 19 states,
>anyway. Particularly welcome is the part about deterring
>frivolous lawsuits, though there's a simple way to do that -
>make the attorney(s) pay for wasting the court's time, if a
>judge determines the case is without merit. Or, use a 3
>judge panel, to maintain impartiality, and have all
>potential lawsuits prescreened - at the attorneys' expense.

Lawsuit reform?!?!?!?! Why, you sound as silly as that rabbit that wants Trix! Why in the world would we ever hold those most responsible for abuse to any sort of accountability? It's far easier and better to keep churning them out in droves to balloon an already saturated field.

I agree completely. The attorney filing the lawsuit should be held accountable for all costs if the case loses and many cases should be thrown out before being heard. We'll never see that as long as the legislatures are a majority of lawyers. We've even got one PRIME example of shyster scum running for president now.

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cheri1122

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RE: New Missouri law expands authorization for dea

In the novel "Stranger in a strange land" by Robert Heinlein, was another simple way to unclog the courts, and 30 years after reading it, I still can't believe it isn't done: preprobate. Every estate above a certain amount must have a will filed prior to death. Any challenges to the provisions, or the mental state of the author, are resolved while the author is able to speak for himself. Once death occurs, challenges are not permitted.
Leo, I'm so silly, I think the rabbit ought to get the Trix - it isn't good for the kids, anyway.:p
 
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