New Jersey judge sucks

[LDB]

HARSH. Do not read if harsh bothers you. Some of you don't like common sense and brief, harsh, to the point comments so stop reading now. This POS judge doesn't deserve to live in the United States. He should be tarred and feathered, his citizenship revoked and immediately be put on the first available transport to his choice of Cuba or China.

Man Sentenced to Seven Years in Prison for Lawfully-owned Guns

 

[layoutshooter]

Unreal, I will not comment further.

 

[xiggi]

Yeap dumb judge but you might want to note the governor has already commuted the guys sentence, this is old news.

 

[layoutshooter]

Yeap dumb judge but you might want to note the governor has already commuted the guys sentence, this is old news.

Commuted or overturned? This should never be on his record. I wonder if New Jersey understands what the word "infringed" means?

 

[xiggi]

Yea only commuted but at least he is out of jail. The last I heard the family is pursuing legal action on various fronts. I think the NRA night have got involved also.

 

[layoutshooter]

Yea only commuted but at least he is out of jail. The last I heard the family is pursuing legal action on various fronts. I think the NRA night have got involved also.

I would be suing everything that moves in New Jersey over that one. At least he is free for now to pursue things. What a crock.

 

[zero3nine]

He will likely never get his property back or be allowed to own guns again. Complete travesty.

fired at you from my Droideka

 

[layoutshooter]

He will likely never get his property back or be allowed to own guns again. Complete travesty.

fired at you from my Droideka

He could move to South Dakota!! He would be a "hero" there and be allowed to live as a free man should, ARMED TO THE TEETH!!

 

[AMonger]

HARSH. Do not read if harsh bothers you. Some of you don't like common sense and brief, harsh, to the point comments so stop reading now. This POS judge doesn't deserve to live in the United States. He should be tarred and feathered, his citizenship revoked and immediately be put on the first available transport to his choice of Cuba or China.

Man Sentenced to Seven Years in Prison for Lawfully-owned Guns

Horrendous on several levels. First, it just goes to show you that the cops do not exist to help you. You don't TALK TO THEM for any reason without a lawyer, and just because a cop wants you to do something doesn't mean you have to or should do it. This guy did, and look where it got him.

Second, what a cowardly jury! Once the judge didn't give them what they wanted, they should have acquitted immediately. Too many jurors act like lapdogs, rather than the guardian of their fellow citizens' rights. The gummint has to ask the permission of your peers before locking you up (generally), and Americans aren't doing their jobs by making the gummint prove its case. So the jurors must have their citizenships revoked, too.

 

[xiggi]

Horrendous on several levels. First, it just goes to show you that the cops do not exist to help you. You don't TALK TO THEM for any reason without a lawyer, and just because a cop wants you to do something doesn't mean you have to or should do it. This guy did, and look where it got him.

Second, what a cowardly jury! Once the judge didn't give them what they wanted, they should have acquitted immediately. Too many jurors act like lapdogs, rather than the guardian of their fellow citizens' rights. The gummint has to ask the permission of your peers before locking you up (generally), and Americans aren't doing their jobs by making the gummint prove its case. So the jurors must have their citizenships revoked, too.

Jurys can only consider the evidence provided in court, to do otherwise can lead to prosecution of the juror him or herself.

 

[AMonger]

Jurys can only consider the evidence provided in court, to do otherwise can lead to prosecution of the juror him or herself.

Patently false. The jury is the judge of both fact and law in the courtroom, and their verdict is unreviewable. The historic evidence for this is voluminous. See Fully Informed Jury Association for more. More info also on wikipedia: Jury nullification - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[xiggi]

Thanks for the info.

 

[chefdennis]

The judge in thi is a complete idiot..as for the jury, they were not allowed to know that he was moving...the judge ruled that that bit of info wasn't important to them...

But yes the govenor did commute his sentense and they are filing suit against the state and the NRA is involved

This has been covered for over 2 months on Cam & Company on the NRA Show on XM 166..if you aren't a listener, you might want to check it out, all of the lastiest gun issues are covered nightly...

 

[greg334]

Get over it - this is New Jersey.

I like this;

Some of you don't like common sense and brief, harsh, to the point comments so stop reading now.

Well if you think there is some common sense anywhere within the article, there isn't by the two of the four parties involved. Start with the mother who called 911 AND terminated the call before she talked to anyone after her son acted as he was going to kill himself then move on to the point what he said to his mother which triggered everything.

NO where has there been a mention of the actual charge, what was it? Transporting firearms or in possession of a firearm while being mentally ill?

Don't forget, we are looking at mental illness issues from VT and other 'tragedies' and there is a reaction to suicide tendencies and firearms more than ever in some parts of the country.

The writer also interjected the comparison to another state - typical idiotic writing. Who cares what Colorado gun laws are, this is New Jersey.

I think before everyone jumps on the band wagon with the typical kneejerk reaction over this, you need to put it into perspective of what New Jersey is and how they even take out of state LEO's firearms away. THIS IS a utopia for the anti-gun people, almost perfect for them and should go through the federal courts if it warrants it.

 

[zero3nine]

That goes right to the point of the keystone cops in this case... failing to see that this citizen was exercising his constitutional rights, and the cop knee-jerk reacting to the words of a hysterical female.

To recap, the cop takes heresay evidence and uses his personal discretion to incorrectly interpret constitutional law and arrest the innocent man.

No matter what happens, this man will now have a felony arrest record. You can have convictions purged or sealed, but your arrest record is permanent. Do not believe anyone who tells you otherwise. Any time a cop runs this guys license plate it will display information that he has been arrested for a felony involving firearms.

Go ahead. Ask me how I know.

This guy is literally screwed for life. He can't ever go to Canada or Australia or a few dozen other countries. Think about what that means. A citizen of the united states cannot drive to Alaska. He has to fly or take a boat.

This stinks. Our government is completely out of control.

fired at you from my Droideka

 

[greg334]

That goes right to the point of the keystone cops in this case... failing to see that this citizen was exercising his constitutional rights, and the cop knee-jerk reacting to the words of a hysterical female.

Actually he wasn't exercising his constitutional rights, he didn't have the firearm in his direct possession and the cops removed them as they do in all cases of questionable mental issues.

After Brian’s former wife canceled his scheduled visit with his son, he became distraught and said something to the effect of “life’s not worth living anymore” to his mother and drove away. His mother became worried about a possible suicide risk and called 9-1-1 but hung up after having second thoughts. Law enforcement traced the call and soon arrived at the scene.

SO let's say the guy took his guns to the local mall and shot up the place, what would be the issue then?

To recap, the cop takes heresay evidence and uses his personal discretion to incorrectly interpret constitutional law and arrest the innocent man.

Actually that's wrong. The cops asked his mother why she hung up the phone call to 911 and she explained the situation. Without a mental exam, they made the same decision that they would have with anyone else. They didn't have to interpret constitutional law, gun laws of Colorado or worry about what the innocents of the guy is based on any of those other points because they followed the same guidelines that they were told to follow.

No matter what happens, this man will now have a felony arrest record. You can have convictions purged or sealed, but your arrest record is permanent. Do not believe anyone who tells you otherwise. Any time a cop runs this guys license plate it will display information that he has been arrested for a felony involving firearms.

Actually I don't care. I'm not stupid enough to go into New Jersey with my firearms.

Go ahead. Ask me how I know.

You a convicted felon?

This guy is literally screwed for life. He can't ever go to Canada or Australia or a few dozen other countries. Think about what that means. A citizen of the united states cannot drive to Alaska. He has to fly or take a boat.

AND?

This stinks. Our government is completely out of control.

Not really.

See here is the thing, either we support the constitution or we don't.

The way it is laid out is that the rights go from the person to the state to the federal government and it is where the state by the people's will can regulate what goes on within the state.

The issue in this case is not with the federal government but with the state and this is where the constitution seems not to really apply if you are a true constitutional supporter as twisted as this sounds. UNTIL the states gave up the right to govern, they did what the people wanted, hence the limitations were only on the feds. NOW because of the war between the states and other binding things (17th amendment is a good example), the feds control the state and even to the point that they can tell the state that the voters in the state don't count in controlling their own laws (California constitutional amendment being struck down on the federal level is one example).

IF New Jersey wants not to have guns within their borders, then it is the people who elect those who make the laws that allow that to happen. IF someone like this guy talks about ending it all and then gets thrown in jail for something peripheral, then maybe New Jersey is out of control and the people have to deal with it.

 

[layoutshooter]

Greg, I believe that the Feds are out of control. We have the Supreme Court INVENTING rights, like the right to abortion, making law, forced busing, and Obama and the Congress bypassing the 10th amendment to FORCE health care on us. What part of the Constitution gives the IRS the legal authority to administer health care?

If New Jersey can out law guns, a right which IS in the Constitution, then Michigan can outlaw abortion, which is not. Want to bet what those twerps on the Supreme Court would say about that?

 

[greg334]

Greg, I believe that the Feds are out of control.

I do too but this isn't a federal issue - it is a state issue.

We have the Supreme Court INVENTING rights, like the right to abortion, making law, forced busing, ...

NO the supreme court didn't give the right of abortion to the country, they said that the right to privacy exceeds the rights of the state. The interesting thing about this is how does obama care ensure that the right to privacy is applied across the board equally? It doesn't, and if it does go to court, it can overturn or restrict the Roe v Wade decision in ways they the liberals will scream about.

Making laws?

Well that happens everywhere, including the lower federal and state courts - jury nullification anyone?

Busing is an issue that goes back to the civil war - the states gave up their rights because of the action of the federal government to "preserve the union". Eisenhower used troops to enforce federal laws, and we have a very strong federal law enforcement system that is no where in the constitution and a few think that it is part of the military, but are used to effectively occupy the states which is prohibited by that constitution.

and Obama and the Congress bypassing the 10th amendment to FORCE health care on us.

Yes but we, the people, allowed this to happen. Want the enforce the 10th, repeal the 17th and the 23st, 25th and 26th amendments. Get rid of those damaging amendments and you can return to a strong 10th amendment.

What part of the Constitution gives the IRS the legal authority to administer health care?

That's the 16th and 17th amendment. What does Levin have to do with DC taxis?

If New Jersey can out law guns, a right which IS in the Constitution, then Michigan can outlaw abortion, which is not. Want to bet what those twerps on the Supreme Court would say about that?

I think they wouldn't say a word, that's not what the issue was, it was privacy. NO one has yet actually written laws that fit into the pattern to protect privacy while outlawing the procedure - goes back to my point that if it is a woman's body, why can't she sell an organ.

The same with the 2nd amendment, I don't see a single case where class 3 firearms are being brought up in the courts to say this is an infringement of the right to own uninhibited a class 3 firearm while for the past 85 years there has been a law against it and the use of a 'tax' has been effective in controlling the access and use of class 3 firearms

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so I think if you support the constitution as it was written and the underlying foundation of it, including absolute property rights, then you can complain but if you believe in the compromise of rights that the feds and states have inflicted on us, then you can't be acting like the skies falling.

 

[zero3nine]

Wrong wrong wrong.

A Well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Keep and bear. Shall not be infringed.

Keep and bear meaning on or about your person, or contained within property or vehicle under your direct control.

Shall not be infringed doesn't mean "except if the people of new Jersey change their minds".

What you seem to be failing to grasp with your interpretation is that the founding fathers did not believe in mob rule and our constitution is not worded in such a way as to indicate otherwise.

I'm not a convicted felon but I have been arrested for having a gun in my car. That was in 2006, all charges dropped and records purged from the California court system.

Tell that to the cops who occasionally pull me over and wait for backup to arrive before they approach my leisure vehicle every single time.

I am only eligible to apply for permission to enter Canada as of November 2011. There is a mountain of paperwork and crap to go through and it will cost me an arm and a leg.

Australia will never let me visit for any reason.

This is why my van is registered to my corporation. I just don't need the hassle any more.

fired at you from my Droideka

 

[layoutshooter]

I do too but this isn't a federal issue - it is a state issue.



NO the supreme court didn't give the right of abortion to the country, they said that the right to privacy exceeds the rights of the state. The interesting thing about this is how does obama care ensure that the right to privacy is applied across the board equally? It doesn't, and if it does go to court, it can overturn or restrict the Roe v Wade decision in ways they the liberals will scream about.

Making laws?

Well that happens everywhere, including the lower federal and state courts - jury nullification anyone?

Busing is an issue that goes back to the civil war - the states gave up their rights because of the action of the federal government to "preserve the union". Eisenhower used troops to enforce federal laws, and we have a very strong federal law enforcement system that is no where in the constitution and a few think that it is part of the military, but are used to effectively occupy the states which is prohibited by that constitution.



Yes but we, the people, allowed this to happen. Want the enforce the 10th, repeal the 17th and the 23st, 25th and 26th amendments. Get rid of those damaging amendments and you can return to a strong 10th amendment.



That's the 16th and 17th amendment. What does Levin have to do with DC taxis?



I think they wouldn't say a word, that's not what the issue was, it was privacy. NO one has yet actually written laws that fit into the pattern to protect privacy while outlawing the procedure - goes back to my point that if it is a woman's body, why can't she sell an organ.

The same with the 2nd amendment, I don't see a single case where class 3 firearms are being brought up in the courts to say this is an infringement of the right to own uninhibited a class 3 firearm while for the past 85 years there has been a law against it and the use of a 'tax' has been effective in controlling the access and use of class 3 firearms

...

so I think if you support the constitution as it was written and the underlying foundation of it, including absolute property rights, then you can complain but if you believe in the compromise of rights that the feds and states have inflicted on us, then you can't be acting like the skies falling.

The sky is falling? Lost me there.

I totally believe in property rights, no matter how stupid the owners are. They have a right to their property and their stupidity. Too bad we all have to deal with the result of that.

It is everyones RIGHT to destroy nature to the point where it can no longer function. Not there yet to be sure but we are sure working on it. I mean, geez, there is ALMOST 1% of S.E. Michigan's wetlands left intact. No valid reason for a land owner to want to protect whats left.