Miffed at .70 offer

miguy1957

Expert Expediter
Havent a load offer since before Xmas, and I get a call before I woke (0930) up this morning offering me a decent load 380 miles, but I have to DH 75 miles to pick it up ASAP 1 1/2 hours to PU. Then they go on to say its a reduced rate load .70/mi and a .10 fsc and I would have to sit on it over night and del at 8am the next day. Was I wrong at turning the Load down?? Was the load that bad or was I just miffed at being woke up for a reduced rate load?? Ive talked to a couple of my friends and all they have been offer this year is reduced rate loads also. So I guess my question is, Is this Panthers way of getting vans rates down so they can make more profit?? They know loads are far and few between and someone will take it, am I the only one that thinks this is Low of Panther?? I mean the load would of Payed about $26 less, I just feel that Panther could better take a $26 hit than us drivers. Please tell me if Im wrong............
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Turtle

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I'm not inclined to take reduced rate loads. Shorter ones, maybe, depending on deadhead and where it's going, but on the longer ones, 500, 600, 700 miles or more, the reduced rate becomes a much bigger hit to have to absorb.

Most of these reduced rate loads are NMLI loads. I do know that Panther bids quite a bit less on these loads than normal, or than they have in the past, and I also know that the resulting .70 per mile plus 10 cents FSC (for cargo vans) ends up being a much greater percentage of the total load bid than it used to be. Meaning, Panther's take-home percentage is far less than you'd think. They're actually taking the bigger hit.

For example, in the past one of these loads might have been bid out for $1.25 a mile, and then Panther paid out $.77 plus $.13 FSC, for a total of 90 cents paid out, leaving them with $.35 per mile on their end. Now, they may bid the load for 95 cents, and pay out 80 cents, leaving them 15 cents. So they're actually taking a bigger hit than the van drivers are.

They are doing this for a couple of reasons. One, while reduced rate loads aren't as profitable as regular loads for both Panther and the driver, most drivers (owner/operators, at least) can run those loads and not do so at a loss. It's less money going into your pocket, but at least it's not money coming out of your pocket in order to run the load. For many, some profitability is generally preferable to the zero profitability of sitting empty.

The other reason is competition, both short term and long term. They could continue to bid high, and would get far fewer loads, thereby enabling other carriers to better establish themselves with NLM, to gain a better foothold within the NLM system and obtain higher load ratings. When rates do go back up, those other carriers will thus get preferential bid treatment from NLM even in cases where their bids may be slightingly higher than Panther's. So the more reduced rate loads Panther can run now will mean more loads in the long term.

It's just a case of buckling down and having to work harder for less money until this economy turns around. But the same rules still apply insofar as profitability on our end goes. Reduced rate means you have to be more watchful regarding deadhead percentages. Where 20% to 30% overall deadhead was within the norms, now it has to be much closer to 20% or less, otherwise the reduced rate becomes unprofitable. If you're in a not-so-great area and get a reduced rate that takes you to a better area, and the deadhead isn't excessive, then it might be worth taking. If it takes you from a good area to a bad one that will require a lot of deadhead on the backend, it might not make sense to take it.
 

davekc

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Turtle's post is pretty accurate. I think it affects the van segment more than other parts just because there are a lot less loads to pick and bid from.
I would in addition be mindful that many of your competitors van rates are normally .70 per mile.
Not that it is right, but it is what it is.
Burger King felt the same way when McDonalds came out with a dollar menu.
 

miguy1957

Expert Expediter
I guess I see you guys Points, But It still miffed me to have my 1st load offer in 17days offered at a reduced rate and have to to sit on it for over 12 hours extra. I know things are tight everywhere. Then I dont know about the load counts either, Last saturday The Romulus board said 2 a day and Sunday BAM 13 loads a day. Can we believe any of the info that we are getting. Maybe its just me but Im getting a little Miffed at the whole situation. Yes there are other companies that pay .70/mi but thats what they signed on to do, and a lot of them dont pay for QC and other expences , and if they get a 900-1000mi load it doesnt get swapped. I guess I needed to vent a little..........
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easyrider2697

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I guess I see you guys Points, But It still miffed me to have my 1st load offer in 17days offered at a reduced rate and have to to sit on it for over 12 hours extra. I know things are tight everywhere. Then I dont know about the load counts either, Last saturday The Romulus board said 2 a day and Sunday BAM 13 loads a day. Can we believe any of the info that we are getting. Maybe its just me but Im getting a little Miffed at the whole situation. Yes there are other companies that pay .70/mi but thats what they signed on to do, and a lot of them dont pay for QC and other expences , and if they get a 900-1000mi load it doesnt get swapped. I guess I needed to vent a little..........
MIFFED?!! No load in 17 days and then turn the first on down over $26 bucks....I am almost at a loss for words on this one....well better yet I am at a loss of words, becuase the words I have for this one would get removed by the modsquad...glad you own the truck not me.
 

miguy1957

Expert Expediter
MIFFED?!! No load in 17 days and then turn the first on down over $26 bucks....I am almost at a loss for words on this one....well better yet I am at a loss of words, becuase the words I have for this one would get removed by the modsquad...glad you own the truck not me.

Well I guess Im glad I cant afford to to say no and you cant. The way I see it if we keep taking reduced rate load it will become the norm. Ive just put myself in a position that I dont have to take whatever they offer. I just dont think freight will pick up untill GM and CHY go back to work. to many extra trucks looking for freight JMO........ So Ill just stay home and wait untill I can at least get my whopping .77/mi
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easyrider2697

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Well I guess Im glad I cant afford to to say no and you cant. The way I see it if we keep taking reduced rate load it will become the norm. Ive just put myself in a position that I dont have to take whatever they offer. I just dont think freight will pick up untill GM and CHY go back to work. to many extra trucks looking for freight JMO........ So Ill just stay home and wait untill I can at least get my whopping .77/mi


I just find it very interesting that with the amount of cargo van freight( or lack there of) that you would turn that load down...but each person runs their own business the way they want to and make choices like you did and sometimes it might work well for them...and then there are others that keep making choices like that and before too long they are so far long gone there is no saving the business, my hope is that you are the first type of person I spoke of...good luck in your future choices and may you have a good profitable year.
 
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